Britain and the U.S. could tap undreamed reserves of gas and oil

evince said:
fracking is stupid and it should NOT be allowed just so a few humans can become wealthier.
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You ought to consider yourself very lucky that natural gas prices have gone down so much. Here in Europe prices have been rising inexorably due mainly to Russia and the Middle East controlling supply. We are now going to go into fracking in a big way to reduce our dependence on unstable regimes. This will benefit millions who use gas for central heating and cooking.
 
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Aoxomoxoa said:
You ought to consider yourself very lucky that natural gas prices have gone down so much. Here in Europe prices have been rising inexorably due mainly to Russia and the Middle East controlling supply. We are now going to go into fracking in a big way to reduce our dependence on unstable regimes. This will benefit millions who use gas fro central heating and cooking.
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And harm those who use water for drinking.
 
Conservative said:
God gave man the dominion over the Earth, so nothing is off limits.

Scientists who work for Oil Companies know more than Libs who want to destroy America by keeping us under the Arabs
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This folks is an excellent example of why people who live in trailer parks should not be put into a position to make responsible decisions.
 
Rune said:
Mott, what is your considered opinion of this article?
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I could have sworn I posted a response. In terms of this article if the findings are representative of fracking operations across the board, which I'm not sure it does, then they would exceed NESHAP (National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants) emmision standards for benzene and, on a case by case basis, each operation should be evaluated for Title V air permitting requirements under the Clean Air Act.
 
Natural gas is not expected to unseat oil in fueling vehicles, neither is it projected to displace coal in firing U.S. electricity, at least with current policy in place.


The share of electricity produced by natural gas is expected to be 30 percent by 2040, with coal at 37 percent, and nuclear at 18 percent; not too different from their shares today.


Non-hydroelectric renewable energy such as solar and wind is on track to grow from just 5 percent to 11 percent of all U.S. electricity by 2040.



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2012/12/121207-annual-energy-outlook-2013/
 
They would also fail the clean water act which is why Cheney made them exempt....this is a license to kill that profits a few, at the top.
 
evince said:
fracking is stupid and it should NOT be allowed just so a few humans can become wealthier.
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I'm sorry but that's a grossly uninformed opinion. The fracking boom has played a significant role in our recovery from the Bush recession and will undoubtably play a very important role in energy production and from a strategic standpoint it has all ready greatly reduced the volume of petroleum products that we import from the ME and other unstable regions of the world. The problems and issues involved with fracking can be readily managed with the appropriate level of regulation. You should also keep in mind that the money's we've been spending on importing petroleum products to our nation represents the greatest transfer of wealth in human history. Fracking has all ready greatly reduced that economic hemoraging and shows great potential to eliminate it all together. Now that money spent is circulated in our own national economy and is not being sent abroad where it does us little or no good.

I'd suggest doing some more stuyding on the issue from non-political sources before you make such ideological and emotionally based decisions. We can't afford to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are real and significant problems associated with fracking but the economic and strategic benefits can't be blown off with a knee jerk responses like this. The benefits are to great and the problems associated are very manageable. I'd suggest that the more rational approach is to identify the problems and issues related fracking and that the appropriate regulations identifying best management practices in regards to health, safety and the environment be enforced. Not only can this be done but it probably can be done within the existing regulatory frame work.
 
Haiku said:
They would also fail the clean water act which is why Cheney made them exempt....this is a license to kill that profits a few, at the top.
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(6:05) “What I didn’t know was that the 2005 energy bill pushed through Congress by Dick Cheney exempts the oil and natural gas industries from Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Superfund law, and about a dozen other environmental and Democratic regulations.”
  • This assertion, every part of it, is false. The oil and natural gas industry is regulated under every single one of these laws — under provisions of each that are relevant to its operations. See this fact sheet for a fuller explanation of that.

  • The process of hydraulic fracturing, to which Fox appears to be making reference here, has never in its 60-year history been regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA). It has, however, been regulated ably and aggressively by the states, which have compiled an impressive record of enforcement and oversight in the many decades in which they have been engaged in the practice.

  • Far from being “pushed through Congress by Dick Cheney,” the Energy Policy Act of 2005 earned the support of nearly three-quarters of the U.S. Senate (74 “yea” votes), including the top Democrat on the Energy Committee; current Interior secretary Ken Salazar, then a senator from Colorado; and a former junior senator from Illinois named Barack Obama. In the U.S. House, 75 Democrats joined 200 Republicans in supporting the final bill, including the top Democratic members on both the Energy & Commerce and Resources Committees.
http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/Federal-Hydraulic-Fracturing-Process.pdf

http://www.energyindepth.org/debunking-gasland/
 
Bijou said:
Unfathomably short-sighted and astronomically stupid.
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Not really. He's actually quite right. It's the same thing as deep well injection. You're talking about materials nearly a mile underground and being capped by nearly a mile of impermeable rock. The risk to human exposure is minute to say the least. Hell it's one of the safest forms of land disposal there is, if not the safest. It's certainly superior to a subtitle C landfill which is pretty much the alternative.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
You ought to consider yourself very lucky that natural gas prices have gone down so much. Here in Europe prices have been rising inexorably due mainly to Russia and the Middle East controlling supply. We are now going to go into fracking in a big way to reduce our dependence on unstable regimes. This will benefit millions who use gas for central heating and cooking.
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Not to mention other consumer chemical products can be produced.

The call for banning fracking is misguided. The call should be for greater regulatory control where human health, safety and the environment are being impacted.
 
Rana said:
Water is a huge problem tied to fracking. Colorado's farmers were outbid by frackers for water. The drought situation makes it worse.
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Hmmm an issue I hadn't considered. Not a problem in eastern Ohio and wester PA where were having a fracking boom. Lots of water available. Not so out west is it?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm sorry but that's a grossly uninformed opinion. The fracking boom has played a significant role in our recovery from the Bush recession and will undoubtably play a very important role in energy production and from a strategic standpoint it has all ready greatly reduced the volume of petroleum products that we import from the ME and other unstable regions of the world. The problems and issues involved with fracking can be readily managed with the appropriate level of regulation. You should also keep in mind that the money's we've been spending on importing petroleum products to our nation represents the greatest transfer of wealth in human history. Fracking has all ready greatly reduced that economic hemoraging and shows great potential to eliminate it all together. Now that money spent is circulated in our own national economy and is not being sent abroad where it does us little or no good.

I'd suggest doing some more stuyding on the issue from non-political sources before you make such ideological and emotionally based decisions. We can't afford to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are real and significant problems associated with fracking but the economic and strategic benefits can't be blown off with a knee jerk responses like this. The benefits are to great and the problems associated are very manageable. I'd suggest that the more rational approach is to identify the problems and issues related fracking and that the appropriate regulations identifying best management practices in regards to health, safety and the environment be enforced. Not only can this be done but it probably can be done within the existing regulatory frame work.
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This is exactly the kind of thinking that will doom us...why did Cheney have secret meetings with energy producers and write the law that ensures fracking is exempt from clean water laws if it's safe? They don't even have to inform us of what they're pumping down those fracking wells and the environment and everything living is paying a horrible price. Is that worth it? Why is it not made safe? What about the repercussions like earth quakes? This is a horrible idea....and it should be stopped.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not really. He's actually quite right. It's the same thing as deep well injection. You're talking about materials nearly a mile underground and being capped by nearly a mile of impermeable rock. The risk to human exposure is minute to say the least. Hell it's one of the safest forms of land disposal there is, if not the safest. It's certainly superior to a subtitle C landfill which is pretty much the alternative.
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That's pure industry bullshit. Have you watched Gasland? Don't talk about something you have no information about until you watch that.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'm sorry but that's a grossly uninformed opinion. The fracking boom has played a significant role in our recovery from the Bush recession and will undoubtably play a very important role in energy production and from a strategic standpoint it has all ready greatly reduced the volume of petroleum products that we import from the ME and other unstable regions of the world. The problems and issues involved with fracking can be readily managed with the appropriate level of regulation. You should also keep in mind that the money's we've been spending on importing petroleum products to our nation represents the greatest transfer of wealth in human history. Fracking has all ready greatly reduced that economic hemoraging and shows great potential to eliminate it all together. Now that money spent is circulated in our own national economy and is not being sent abroad where it does us little or no good.

I'd suggest doing some more stuyding on the issue from non-political sources before you make such ideological and emotionally based decisions. We can't afford to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are real and significant problems associated with fracking but the economic and strategic benefits can't be blown off with a knee jerk responses like this. The benefits are to great and the problems associated are very manageable. I'd suggest that the more rational approach is to identify the problems and issues related fracking and that the appropriate regulations identifying best management practices in regards to health, safety and the environment be enforced. Not only can this be done but it probably can be done within the existing regulatory frame work.
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Mott, you are dealing with people who are irrational to the very core of their beings. It is hard to choose between them; Rune, Bijou, Haiku and Evince are implacably opposed to fracking, nuclear and just about anything besides windmills. It is impossible to get through to them on any objective logical level so I've given up trying.
 
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