Congress Controls the Purse Strings, But It's Obama's Fault a Budget Hasn't Passed

Because it makes what I stated accurate, and what you stated inaccurate.

OK. I don't see how who offered the resolutions for a vote is of any consequence given that they all failed, including the House budget.


They passed theirs. The Senate hasn't fulfilled their statutory obligation.

A simple "no" would have sufficed. And Congress, not the Senate, is required to pass a concurrent resolution. It hasn't, and that failure is fault of both Houses.
 
The Budget of the United States Government often begins as the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. However, Congress is the body required by law to pass a budget annually and to submit the budget passed by both houses to the President for signature. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

If Congress fails to pass an annual budget (as has been the case since 2009), a series of Appropriations bills must be passed as "stop gap" measures. After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it (as he would a budget when passed by the Congress)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget


The Wikipedia entry is inaccurate. The President doesn't sign the budget. The budget is passed as a concurrent resolution, which aren't presented for the President's signature and do not have the force of law.
 
The Wikipedia entry is inaccurate. The President doesn't sign the budget. The budget is passed as a concurrent resolution, which aren't presented for the President's signature and do not have the force of law.

A 'concurrent' or 'continuing' resolution is not a budget....its what we've been doing in lieu of a budget...

If Congress fails to pass an annual budget (as has been the case since 2009), a series of Appropriations bills must be passed as "stop gap" measures. After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it (as he would a budget when passed by the Congress)

I think Wikipedia is accurate....
 
A 'concurrent' or 'continuing' resolution is not a budget....its what we've been doing in lieu of a budget...

If Congress fails to pass an annual budget (as has been the case since 2009), a series of Appropriations bills must be passed as "stop gap" measures. After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it (as he would a budget when passed by the Congress)

I think Wikipedia is accurate....


A continuing resolution is different from a concurrent resolution. Budgets are typically passed as concurrent resolutions and when that process fails, continuing resolutions (which typically are in the form of joint resolutions) are passed to allow the government to continue in operation pending the appropriations process. But those aren't budgets as the term is commonly used. Continuing resolutions (which are different from concurrent resolutions) are presented to the President for signature (as are other joint resolutions (with the exception of proposed constitutional amendments)). Concurrent resolutions are not presented for signature.

And appropriations bills are different from the budget, too.
 
Any of you right-wingers want to sort this out for me. As I understand the argument, Clinton didn't rein in deficits and spending, the Republican Congress did because Congress controls the purse strings. Yet, I am told that Obama's a big fat failure because the Congress hasn't passed a budget in a few years.

How do you square the two? Makes no sense to me. Can we all just agree that both the President and Congress play important roles in shaping the budget and taxing and spending policy so that we don't have to deal with this dumbassery?

this from the guy who blames bush for the economy

LOL
 
there are literally too many posts to wade through to find it. if you didn't blame bush, i apologize. i remember you blaming bush.
 
Let's assume I did blame Bush for the economy, just for giggles. What the hell does that have to do with anything in any event?
 
I saw the movie Lincon this week. I enjoyed one particular part where the congressmen were upset because Lincon had proposed a budget, they said he was infringing upon there Constitutional authority.
 
A continuing resolution is different from a concurrent resolution. Budgets are typically passed as concurrent resolutions and when that process fails, continuing resolutions (which typically are in the form of joint resolutions) are passed to allow the government to continue in operation pending the appropriations process. But those aren't budgets as the term is commonly used. Continuing resolutions (which are different from concurrent resolutions) are presented to the President for signature (as are other joint resolutions (with the exception of proposed constitutional amendments)). Concurrent resolutions are not presented for signature.

And appropriations bills are different from the budget, too.

Budgets are typically passed as concurrent resolutions ?
I don't buy this statement....

.....Budgets have the force of law, the budget is law...budgets are legislation.
a concurrent resolution in not a budget...its an agreement between the two chambers of congress


The Congressional Budget Process, as set out in the 1974 Budget Act, provides Congress with a procedure establishing appropriate spending levels and revenue sources for each year. The process is a method for coordinating decisions on the financial behavior of government as Congress prepares for the upcoming fiscal year.

The President initiates the annual budget process by presenting his budget proposal to Congress on or before the first Monday in February of each year.

Congress is free to adopt or reject any of the President’s recommendations in its concurrent resolution, which imposes overall constraints on revenues and spending and distributes the overall constraint on spending among groups of programs and activities.

The House and Senate Budget Committees formulate their respective budget resolutions and report them to the floor for a vote. After each chamber passes its resolution, Congress forms the Budget Resolution Conference Committee to reconcile differences between House and Senate versions. After deliberation, the conference committee reports the concurrent resolution on the budget to the floor and the House and Senate must each vote to approve the concurrent resolution without amendment.

The concurrent resolution is nonbinding, is not signed by the President, and does not have the force of law. After Congress has completed action on a concurrent resolution on the budget for a fiscal year, however, it is generally not in order to consider legislation that does not conform to the constraints on spending and revenue set out in the resolution.

The concurrent resolution may contain language instructing House and Senate Authorizing Committees to determine and recommend changes in existing law in order to achieve the spending reductions or revenue increases that the committee must attain in order to conform to spending caps outlined in the budget resolution.

The budget resolution leaves to the discretion of the committee the specific changes that must be made to accomplish such spending levels. In each chamber, committees make these specific changes and submit them as recommendations to the Budget Committee. These recommendations are combined into an omnibus reconciliation bill and reported by the Committee on the Budget for consideration by the entire chamber.

The House and Senate send their respective reconciliation bills to conference, where the Budget Reconciliation Conference Committee holds sub-conferences with authorizing committees and reports an Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. Both chambers must pass the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act without amendment.

The President signs or may veto the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. The signed act becomes a law.

I was inaccurate to combine the two phrases "continuing resolution" and "concurrent resolution"....
Anyway, this nit-picking and parsing of words won't change anything except the real topic of the thread...I stand corrected.
 
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