Global warming still stalled since 1998, WMO Doha figures show

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Figures released by the UN's World Meteorological Organisation indicate that 2012 is set to be perhaps the ninth hottest globally since records began - but that planetary warming, which effectively stalled around 1998, has yet to resume at the levels seen in the 1980s and early 1990s.

The WMO figures are produced by averaging those from the three main climate databases: those of NASA, the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the British one compiled jointly by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia. The 2012 figure for the year so far stands at 14.45°C. If that were the figure for the full year, it would be cooler than 1998 (14.51°C) and most of the years since then (full listing from the Met Office here).

The official position of the climate establishment is that global warming is still definitely on and the flat temperatures seen for the last 14 years or so are just a statistical fluke of the sort to be expected when trying to measure such a vast and noisy signal as world temperatures with such precision. (The global warming since 1950 is assessed as just half a degree, a difficult thing to pick out when temperatures everywhere go up and down by many degrees every day and even more over a year.)

That said, there is now some admission even from the hardest climate hardliners that something may be going on which is not understood. Dr Peter Stott of the Met Office, head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution, had this to say while announcing the 2012-so-far-number: "We are investigating why the temperature rise at the surface has slowed in recent years, including how ocean heat content changes and the effects of aerosols from atmospheric pollution may have influenced global climate." ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/29/wmo_global_temp_figures_2012_doha_ninth_hottest/
 
I came across this chart the other day that deals with this whole dumbassery quite nicely:

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Tom, looks like we better quickly build some coal burning plants before it gets too cold on Earth. Idiot Shill.
 
Tom, looks like we better quickly build some coal burning plants before it gets too cold on Earth. Idiot Shill.

No doubt you consider the UN's World Meteorological Organisation to be shills as well!! Look sunshine, this is how science works by testing assumptions and explaining real world measurements not by adhering to a political philosphy coupled with flawed computer models and orthodoxy.
 
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Tom, looks like we better quickly build some coal burning plants before it gets too cold on Earth. Idiot Shill.

The UK has just announced a plan to build a whole new generation of gas power stations coupled with nationwide shale gas fracking.
 

The last Labour government sat on their hands equivocating about energy policy and doing fuck all. So much so that we will be in the shit big time if the old coal fired and Magnox nuclear power plants are not replaced. Not everybody wants to decide long term energy policy on scaremongering by some scientifically illiterate idiots who watched Gasland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...gas-sees-30-new-gas-power-plants-by-2030.html

http://www.bristolblog.com/news/gasland.htm
 
...The Environmental Audit Committee warned that the melting of sea ice is now happening so fast the Arctic could be ice free in summer “in the next few years”.
Joan Whalley, Chairwoman of the committee, said the UK weather pattern will be affected by the huge amount of fresh, cold water melting into the sea.
“There is evidence that the melting Arctic may be affecting the gulf stream currents that bring warmth to the UK and Northern Europe and so may be behind the unusually cold winters that have been hitting the UK over the last few years,” she said.
“The rapid melting of the Arctic and the effect it is having on the UK should be a wake-up call - climate change is real, it is happening now and it will have an impact on all of us.”

In evidence to the committee, Dr Julia Slingo, Chief Scientist at the Met Office, said colder winters also tend to be drier as snow has less water content than rain.
She pointed out that even when a run of dry winters is followed by a wet summer, as has happened this year in the UK, it will not make up for the risk of droughts.

“It is quite simple - the replenishment of aquifers generally occurs through the winter and into spring,” she explained. “Once you get beyond April/ May time, the summer temperatures are high enough that even if we have a wet summer, it doesn’t replenish the aquifers, a lot of the water evaporates away. We are concerned that if we continue to have a sequence of cold winters, that could be much more damaging, even with wet summers alongside them.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ea...ce-melt-could-cause-colder-winters-in-UK.html


When fracking ruins what ground water you have left and the cold melt from the arctic forces the Gulf Stream to the south (and it is happening now) you Brits will start moving to Spain. Or maybe make friends with Argentina. :whome: :britf:
 
...The Environmental Audit Committee warned that the melting of sea ice is now happening so fast the Arctic could be ice free in summer “in the next few years”.
Joan Whalley, Chairwoman of the committee, said the UK weather pattern will be affected by the huge amount of fresh, cold water melting into the sea.
“There is evidence that the melting Arctic may be affecting the gulf stream currents that bring warmth to the UK and Northern Europe and so may be behind the unusually cold winters that have been hitting the UK over the last few years,” she said.
“The rapid melting of the Arctic and the effect it is having on the UK should be a wake-up call - climate change is real, it is happening now and it will have an impact on all of us.”

In evidence to the committee, Dr Julia Slingo, Chief Scientist at the Met Office, said colder winters also tend to be drier as snow has less water content than rain.
She pointed out that even when a run of dry winters is followed by a wet summer, as has happened this year in the UK, it will not make up for the risk of droughts.

“It is quite simple - the replenishment of aquifers generally occurs through the winter and into spring,” she explained. “Once you get beyond April/ May time, the summer temperatures are high enough that even if we have a wet summer, it doesn’t replenish the aquifers, a lot of the water evaporates away. We are concerned that if we continue to have a sequence of cold winters, that could be much more damaging, even with wet summers alongside them.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ea...ce-melt-could-cause-colder-winters-in-UK.html


When fracking ruins what ground water you have left and the cold melt from the arctic forces the Gulf Stream to the south (and it is happening now) you Brits will start moving to Spain. Or maybe make friends with Argentina. :whome: :britf:

The Environmental Audit Committee is bunch of MPs and there isn't a scientific voice amongst the lot of them. Take this statement: Joan Whalley, Chairwoman of the committee, said the UK weather pattern will be affected by the huge amount of fresh, cold water. Apparently she is unaware that the Arctic is composed of ice from sea water and not fresh water!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Audit_Select_Committee
 
The Environmental Audit Committee is bunch of MPs and there isn't a scientific voice amongst the lot of them. Take this statement: Joan Whalley, Chairwoman of the committee, said the UK weather pattern will be affected by the huge amount of fresh, cold water. Apparently she is unaware that the Arctic is composed of ice from sea water and not fresh water!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Audit_Select_Committee

So you think arctic ice is just seawater?
 
it is sea ice and ice from snow...not just seawater

The Arctic's climate is characterized by cold winters and cool summers. Precipitation mostly comes in the form of snow. The Arctic's annual precipitation is low, with most of the area receiving less than 50 cm (20 in). High winds often stir up snow, creating the illusion of continuous snowfall. Average winter temperatures can be as low as −40 °C (−40 °F), and the coldest recorded temperature is approximately −68 °C (−90 °F). Coastal Arctic climates are moderated by oceanic influences, having generally warmer temperatures and heavier snowfalls than the colder and drier interior areas. The Arctic is affected by current global warming, leading to Arctic sea ice shrinkage and Arctic methane release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic
 
The Arctic's climate is characterized by cold winters and cool summers. Precipitation mostly comes in the form of snow. The Arctic's annual precipitation is low, with most of the area receiving less than 50 cm (20 in). High winds often stir up snow, creating the illusion of continuous snowfall. Average winter temperatures can be as low as −40 °C (−40 °F), and the coldest recorded temperature is approximately −68 °C (−90 °F). Coastal Arctic climates are moderated by oceanic influences, having generally warmer temperatures and heavier snowfalls than the colder and drier interior areas. The Arctic is affected by current global warming, leading to Arctic sea ice shrinkage and Arctic methane release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic

what is your point? nothing there disproves what i said.

Polar ice consists of sea ice formed from the freezing of sea water, and ice sheets and glaciers formed from the accumulation and compaction of falling snow.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/PolarIce/
 
The Arctic's climate is characterized by cold winters and cool summers. Precipitation mostly comes in the form of snow. The Arctic's annual precipitation is low, with most of the area receiving less than 50 cm (20 in). High winds often stir up snow, creating the illusion of continuous snowfall. Average winter temperatures can be as low as −40 °C (−40 °F), and the coldest recorded temperature is approximately −68 °C (−90 °F). Coastal Arctic climates are moderated by oceanic influences, having generally warmer temperatures and heavier snowfalls than the colder and drier interior areas. The Arctic is affected by current global warming, leading to Arctic sea ice shrinkage and Arctic methane release.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic
Yes Tom, 50 cm a year for how many years?
 
The Environmental Audit Committee is bunch of MPs and there isn't a scientific voice amongst the lot of them. Take this statement: Joan Whalley, Chairwoman of the committee, said the UK weather pattern will be affected by the huge amount of fresh, cold water. Apparently she is unaware that the Arctic is composed of ice from sea water and not fresh water!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Audit_Select_Committee

How about her claim that snow has less water content than rain. WTF?
 
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