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[wiseones2cents]

From KJV Genesis 1; [Dixie's comments in blue]

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [Point A - Creation.] 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. [Do you see where it says for how long this was the case?] And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. [For how many millions or billions of years? Does it say?]

3 Then [When?] God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. [For how many years or millions of years? Does it say?] 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; [How long did God marvel at the good light? Does it say? A billion years maybe?] and God divided the light from the darkness. [Over how long a period of time? Remember, we don't have "days" yet, he hasn't created those.] 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [How long does it claim God achieved night and day, before he declared it anything?] So the evening and the morning were the first day. [When did it say that God determined this? After how many years or millions of years?]

6 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” [Does it state how long of a time period this required in human years, or is God still omnipotent in his control of time?] 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; [Over how long a period of human-understood time?] and it was so. [When?] 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. [After how long did he call it this?] So the evening and the morning were the second day. [How can the "evening and morning" be the second day? What about the afternoon and night? What's afoot here? Does God have control of time, or is man in control of time? Does the Bible say?]

9 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. [Did he do this in the 24hrs following the 2nd Day, or did he slow Earth down for billions of years? Does the Bible say?] 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. [How long did God marvel at the "good" and simply not allow "days" to pass by? Billions of years, ten seconds? Does the Bible say?]

11 Then [WHEN?] God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. [But how long of a period of human-defined time did this take?] 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. [We should be able to clearly see at this point, that we are not talking about the human concept of "days" because this kind of stuff doesn't happen in a few hours of a single day.] And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. [Again, no afternoon or night as of yet. No mention of human-defined time, just the delineation of "days" which can be whatever length an omnipotent God wants them to be, he is not constrained by time.]


14 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; [Okay, so we just now have night, seasons, and years. But plants are already bearing fruit.] 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. [Over how much human time?] 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. [WTF? He's just now creating the Sun and the Moon? How did we already have 3 days with no Sun or Moon?] He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. [Any mention of time passing yet?] And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. [Again, it is obvious that God can speed time up or slow time down, or make time stand still as he works. Something one might expect from an omnipotent God.]

20 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” [Does it state how many millions of years, or by what process these creatures were generated?] 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. [Does it say he did not use "evolution" to do this?] 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. [Perhaps we are now into billions of years of evolution, the dinosaurs have come and gone, we don't really know because the Bible doesn't tell us this.]

24 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. [For how many years?] And God saw that it was good. [Once it was created to its kind, does it say God didn't utilize evolution techniques to tweak the efficiency of the various kinds?]

26 Then [WHEN?]God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” [For how many years?] 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. [For how many years?]28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. [Point B. -Six days, in GOD'S TIME!]

See guys? How can you debate a guy that is in clear denial of Scripture! The Bible CLEARLY confirms in Exodus what is stated in Genesis. The Universe and the earth was made in six days. Then he used the garbage argument that a day is like a thousand years. I quickly pointed out that the years are more like in the millions and billions.lol

Did you even make it past grade 5???lol

 

[wiseones2cents]

I will pray for the Godless among you

lol. I for one am not GODLESS!! I just believe the "Lord" in the Bible has Spiritual characteristics and mortal. The mortal characteristics are attributed to mortals and not GOD. Like I said. GOD did not give the land to the Abraham. A mortal King did.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

See guys? How can you debate a guy that is in clear denial of Scripture! The Bible CLEARLY confirms in Exodus what is stated in Genesis. The Universe and the earth was made in six days. Then he used the garbage argument that a day is like a thousand years. I quickly pointed out that the years are more like in the millions and billions.lol

Did you even make it past grade 5???lol

I didn't use a 'garbage argument' that a day is like a thousand years, I posted a scripture that said this. The point made in that scripture was not that a day is "equal to" a thousand years in the eyes of God, that is your misinterpretation of scripture again. The point was, that God doesn't operate on our conception of time, he doesn't have to, he is omnipotent. God could have just as easily created the universe and everything in one day, or one nanosecond, he didn't need 6 days or billions of years. God can make time stand still, move time forward or backward, change the perception of time, make a second last billions of years or years pass by in a second, he is omnipotent. You keep trying to imagine a God that is not omnipotent, who is constrained by time, who can only create and operate according to laws of the universe that humans understand. You make these erroneous assumptions then stomp your feet and call people names, like a petulant child.

The creation story in the Bible, is told in segments and "days" are merely used as a way to separate the segments so humans can understand the story. It's not intended as a literal timeline, the "days" are used as markers for the segments of time. We don't know how much actual human-understood time passed. If humans had been here (they hadn't been created yet) perhaps it would have seemed like 6 days? But God doesn't have to operate on human time. God is omnipotent, a word you really seriously need to look up and try to comprehend.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

om·nip·o·tent (m-np-tnt)
adj.
1. Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful.

This means if God needs a day to last a billion years or one second, he can make that happen. He is not constrained in his omnipotence, he doesn't have to conform to laws of the universe, he created the universe! He created time! To have any other conception of God, to attempt to apply any other standard, is an indication you totally don't understand or comprehend God. This is not uncommon among God-deniers, they often attempt to apply humanistic attributes to God, and then attack God on that basis. We see this with your literal 6-days argument, why would an omnipotent God need 6 days? Do you believe that omnipotent God could only do so much in a 24 hr. period? Do you think he said, "well, I've done as much as I can for one day, the rest will have to wait until tomorrow?" Did he get hungry or sleepy, and decide he had worked enough for the day? Of course, we can see the abject silliness of this, and if we comprehend that God is omnipotent, it doesn't make sense.

 

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om·nip·o·tent (m-np-tnt)
adj.
1. Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful.

This means if God needs a day to last a billion years or one second, he can make that happen. He is not constrained in his omnipotence, he doesn't have to conform to laws of the universe, he created the universe! He created time! To have any other conception of God, to attempt to apply any other standard, is an indication you totally don't understand or comprehend God. This is not uncommon among God-deniers, they often attempt to apply humanistic attributes to God, and then attack God on that basis. We see this with your literal 6-days argument, why would an omnipotent God need 6 days? Do you believe that omnipotent God could only do so much in a 24 hr. period? Do you think he said, "well, I've done as much as I can for one day, the rest will have to wait until tomorrow?" Did he get hungry or sleepy, and decide he had worked enough for the day? Of course, we can see the abject silliness of this, and if we comprehend that God is omnipotent, it doesn't make sense.

Well, there are a lot of contradictory things about the nature of God and God's actual actions in the Bible.

The God of the OT - and I assume you're speaking of a Christian God above, since other religions have different ideas about God - sometimes comes off as a petulant child - vengeful acts, temper tantrums, needed to be worshipped & praised constantly, mandating certain diets, etc.

I'm glad you pointed out this inherent contradiction.

 

[Haiku]

Sometimes??? He's a complete prick!!

 

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Well, there are a lot of contradictory things about the nature of God and God's actual actions in the Bible.

The God of the OT - and I assume you're speaking of a Christian God above, since other religions have different ideas about God - sometimes comes off as a petulant child - vengeful acts, temper tantrums, needed to be worshipped & praised constantly, mandating certain diets, etc.

I'm glad you pointed out this inherent contradiction.

WOW so Superfreak isn't lying, he really is God!

 

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WOW so Superfreak isn't lying, he really is God!

I'm no Bible expert, but I think when God was speaking to Abraham, he did interject a "LMAO...do tell us, moron" at one point. And you never see God & SF together.

 

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I'm no Bible expert, but I think when God was speaking to Abraham, he did interject a "LMAO...do tell us, moron" at one point. And you never see God & SF together.

LOL That is so funny!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well, there are a lot of contradictory things about the nature of God and God's actual actions in the Bible.

The God of the OT - and I assume you're speaking of a Christian God above, since other religions have different ideas about God - sometimes comes off as a petulant child - vengeful acts, temper tantrums, needed to be worshipped & praised constantly, mandating certain diets, etc.

I'm glad you pointed out this inherent contradiction.

It's important to remember what the Bible is, and why it was compiled. Humans are simply unable to comprehend God, there is nothing we are familiar with that we can relate with God. In order to attempt to explain God and subsequently, a faith based in belief of God, the context of God had to be defined in some way that humans could relate to and understand. The only real way to do that, was to lend God human characteristics. God is a "jealous" God.... Why would an omnipotent entity have feelings of any kind, much less, jealousy? The same applies with vengeful God, or angry God, or even forgiving and loving God. These are humanistic attributes we have applied to God in order to better understand something we can't comprehend.

Now, in your daily human lives, can you have a meaningful relationship with someone you don't understand or comprehend? Of course not. You can try, but if you lack understanding of what they are about and who they are, you will never have a deep meaningful relationship, it just won't happen. In the meantime, the people we feel our closest personal relationships with, are people we understand, people we know like the back of our hand. Those we don't understand or know in this way, are people we often fear and have nothing to do with. Since humans have this characteristic, the purpose of the Bible, and dare I say, organized religion in general, is to define God in a way that humans can relate.

This doesn't mean the Bible is a lie, or that it's a contradiction. There are many contradictions we can find in the Bible, but these are most often the result of misinterpretation. We are even warned in Revelations, to take the Bible as a whole and not in part, because whenever we parse out a single verse, we can often find a conflicting verse to challenge it. In order for the Bible to make sense in any meaningful way, we have to read and comprehend the whole thing, and we have to understand the context as presented, and realize why it is presented the way it is. Those who seek to deny God, will never do this. It's much easier to pick it apart and disbelieve.

 

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It's important to remember what the Bible is, and why it was compiled. Humans are simply unable to comprehend God, there is nothing we are familiar with that we can relate with God. In order to attempt to explain God and subsequently, a faith based in belief of God, the context of God had to be defined in some way that humans could relate to and understand. The only real way to do that, was to lend God human characteristics. God is a "jealous" God.... Why would an omnipotent entity have feelings of any kind, much less, jealousy? The same applies with vengeful God, or angry God, or even forgiving and loving God. These are humanistic attributes we have applied to God in order to better understand something we can't comprehend.

Now, in your daily human lives, can you have a meaningful relationship with someone you don't understand or comprehend? Of course not. You can try, but if you lack understanding of what they are about and who they are, you will never have a deep meaningful relationship, it just won't happen. In the meantime, the people we feel our closest personal relationships with, are people we understand, people we know like the back of our hand. Those we don't understand or know in this way, are people we often fear and have nothing to do with. Since humans have this characteristic, the purpose of the Bible, and dare I say, organized religion in general, is to define God in a way that humans can relate.

This doesn't mean the Bible is a lie, or that it's a contradiction. There are many contradictions we can find in the Bible, but these are most often the result of misinterpretation. We are even warned in Revelations, to take the Bible as a whole and not in part, because whenever we parse out a single verse, we can often find a conflicting verse to challenge it. In order for the Bible to make sense in any meaningful way, we have to read and comprehend the whole thing, and we have to understand the context as presented, and realize why it is presented the way it is. Those who seek to deny God, will never do this. It's much easier to pick it apart and disbelieve.

Honestly, that all sounds a little too convenient. Believe this, but don't necessarily believe that; take this literally, but not that; read and understand the contradictory sections, but don't question them as being contradictory.

If God is omnipotent, I have a hard time imagining that he/she wouldn't want to challenge humankind quite as much as he/she seems to. It's hard to imagine that kind of being just saying, "Hey, believe all of the stuff in this book - don't question it, don't analyze it, don't think. Just believe, even if it goes against common sense."

The Bible is a great historical document, but I personally think it should be taken for what it is. It's certainly not a comprehensive overview of Christ's beliefs. It's more of a mish-mash of a variety of different sects & belief systems that took place over centuries.

 

[Wise Old Man]

Jesus is on every page of the Bible. Everything in the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament and completing in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. It is not "Revelations", as so many refer to. The Bible is about Jesus from page one to the last.

 

[Phantasmal]

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?47414-Israel-at-it-again-Dec-3-2012

The above thread, you will see that wiseone interjects a very bold challenge and statement to me, about his supposed knowledge and ability to debate Biblical Scripture. He assures me that he is fully capable of such debate, and has debated many scholars. Having been reassured that he was up for the task, as well as 'warned' by wiseone to avoid such a debate with him, I accepted his challenge with confidence. He has yet to actually begin debating me about Biblical Scriptures and what they actually say. He hasn't even posted a single verse from the Bible. So far, I have been entertained by his "LOLs" and chortling like a school girl, and his opinion of what he believes is in the Bible. I have either explained, or completely debunked everything he believes is in the Bible. I am still waiting to begin our debate on Biblical Scriptures.

I am very disappointed here. As many of you are aware, I am a Spiritualist, and not a Christian. Many members of my personal family are Christians, and Baptist Christians, even Southern Baptist Christians. I am not a Christian. I am a believer in Spiritualism. I think Christians misunderstand the meaning of Christ Jesus, and that he is not actually the living Son of God. It is a symbolic title, to convey an utter importance to his spoken word and teachings, his personal philosophy. While that is great and wonderful, I do not believe he was the product of an immaculate conception and born of a human through the seed of God. I just don't accept that to be true, therefore, I am not a Christian. It doesn't mean that I don't have huge respect for what the Bible teaches, and what Christianity teaches. I believe there is great humanitarian advantage to all mankind, to live by the teachings found in the Bible.

My mother's twin brother, is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, with a pH D in Theology from the largest Baptist seminary in the South, he is 73, and has been a minister for 55 years. I have had long lengthy and extensive discussions with him, on the Bible, and Christianity in general. Me not being a Christian, but a Spiritualist, has certainly created some interesting conversations around the dinner table, but I have learned a great deal about the Christian faith and Baptist teachings. So I feel pretty confident with my skill level and training to debate what the Bible says, if that is the argument we are going to have.

I had Bible.com pulled up and everything! I even had my funny Pope hat on, ready to get down to some serious theological discussion with wiseone, but he let me down! All I got was more incessant ranting and crazy ideas about what he believes is in the Bible. I don't get to wear my funny Pope hat too often, and I was so looking forward to a meaty debate with someone who knew what they were talking about. To learn that I had been spoofed into a foolish debacle of failed arguments and untrue rhetoric, just really disappointed me.

The same thing happened to me, Dixie, I know how bummed you can get, looking forward to some good debate, but it wasn't wiseone, it was you!

 

[wiseones2cents]

I didn't use a 'garbage argument' that a day is like a thousand years, I posted a scripture that said this. The point made in that scripture was not that a day is "equal to" a thousand years in the eyes of God, that is your misinterpretation of scripture again. The point was, that God doesn't operate on our conception of time, he doesn't have to, he is omnipotent. God could have just as easily created the universe and everything in one day, or one nanosecond, he didn't need 6 days or billions of years. God can make time stand still, move time forward or backward, change the perception of time, make a second last billions of years or years pass by in a second, he is omnipotent. You keep trying to imagine a God that is not omnipotent, who is constrained by time, who can only create and operate according to laws of the universe that humans understand. You make these erroneous assumptions then stomp your feet and call people names, like a petulant child.

The creation story in the Bible, is told in segments and "days" are merely used as a way to separate the segments so humans can understand the story. It's not intended as a literal timeline, the "days" are used as markers for the segments of time. We don't know how much actual human-understood time passed. If humans had been here (they hadn't been created yet) perhaps it would have seemed like 6 days? But God doesn't have to operate on human time. God is omnipotent, a word you really seriously need to look up and try to comprehend.

Yawn....This guy doesn't know when to stay down after he has received a beating.LOL You can try to warp Scripture to say what you like, but the facts are that the day cycle is clearly described as one morning(light) and one evening(darkness). That is a day.

Your pathetic attempt to twist scripture to say what you want it to say is laughable. Even if one day is a thousand days in GOD years, the Universe is BILLIONS of years old. The Bible doesn't say one day is like 10 billion years in GOD years.lol

The point is that the OT clearly defines what a day is and that it took 6 days to do it! No I believe GOD follows a set of universal laws that HE established long ago. And I don't believe the universe and the earth were created in 6 days.

No YOU make ridiculous statements that are supported by fairy tales. My statements are supported by SCIENCE and Logic! In other words I can PROVE my assertions. You cannot! Anyone with a half a brain KNOWS that the Bible is not historically accurate!

 

[Wise Old Man]

Yawn....This guy doesn't know when to stay down after he has received a beating.LOL You can try to warp Scripture to say what you like, but the facts are that the day cycle is clearly described as one morning(light) and one evening(darkness). That is a day.

Your pathetic attempt to twist scripture to say what you want it to say is laughable. Even if one day is a thousand days in GOD years, the Universe is BILLIONS of years old. The Bible doesn't say one day is like 10 billion years in GOD years.lol

The point is that the OT clearly defines what a day is and that it took 6 days to do it! No I believe GOD follows a set of universal laws that HE established long ago. And I don't believe the universe and the earth were created in 6 days.

No YOU make ridiculous statements that are supported by fairy tales. My statements are supported by SCIENCE and Logic! In other words I can PROVE my assertions. You cannot! Anyone with a half a brain KNOWS that the Bible is not historically accurate!

Fascinating. Where is the verse that says "the day cycle is clearly described as one morning(light) and one evening(darkness). That is a day."......or something to that affect. Thanks.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Honestly, that all sounds a little too convenient. Believe this, but don't necessarily believe that; take this literally, but not that; read and understand the contradictory sections, but don't question them as being contradictory.

But that's not what I said.

If God is omnipotent, I have a hard time imagining that he/she wouldn't want to challenge humankind quite as much as he/she seems to. It's hard to imagine that kind of being just saying, "Hey, believe all of the stuff in this book - don't question it, don't analyze it, don't think. Just believe, even if it goes against common sense."

Why would an omnipotent entity "want" or "desire" anything? Why would this entity "care" what you do? I think this is the mistake many religious and non-religious people make in their beliefs. God doesn't care whether you believe in him, worship him, or even acknowledge him. In fact, God isn't even a "him," we apply that label in our vain attempts to understand God. Application of these human attributes is a double-edged sword, on the one hand, it serves the purpose of helping mankind organize a regiment to follow in daily life (organized religion), and on the other hand, it relegates an omnipotent God to humanistic attributes, and enables those who disbelieve.

The Bible is a great historical document, but I personally think it should be taken for what it is. It's certainly not a comprehensive overview of Christ's beliefs. It's more of a mish-mash of a variety of different sects & belief systems that took place over centuries.

Well, the teachings of Jesus Christ are only in the New Testament. So you are correct, it's not an overview of Christ's beliefs. From the Christian perspective, the New Testament is a reformation by Jesus, who they believe was the living son of God. As I have said before, I am not a Christian believer, I am a Spiritualist. I do believe in God, I just don't believe Jesus was his son, or that God has humanistic attributes. I get why mankind developed this understanding of God, it's because we have no other way to relate to something we can't comprehend.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yawn....This guy doesn't know when to stay down after he has received a beating.LOL You can try to warp Scripture to say what you like, but the facts are that the day cycle is clearly described as one morning(light) and one evening(darkness). That is a day.

And as has been pointed out, the cycle described as a "day" did not happen until the 5th verse of Genesis. How much human-understood time passed in the first four verses, is not presented. It could have easily been billions of years. God could have created the heavens and earth a billion times and destroyed it, in those four verses. God, being omnipotent, could also make "a day" last for billions of years, if that's what God wanted to do.

Your pathetic attempt to twist scripture to say what you want it to say is laughable. Even if one day is a thousand days in GOD years, the Universe is BILLIONS of years old. The Bible doesn't say one day is like 10 billion years in GOD years.lol

Nowhere in the scriptures does it state that one day is equivalent to a thousand years to God. This is another of your misinterpretations. In 2 Peter, it is said that a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day to God, but that is not a literal dissemination of time from God's perspective, that is a human trying to relate to other humans, the omnipotence of God, which they can't comprehend. Again, just between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:4, could have been billions of years. A "day" in Genesis, could have been billions of years, because God is not confined to laws of the universe or time.

The point is that the OT clearly defines what a day is and that it took 6 days to do it! No I believe GOD follows a set of universal laws that HE established long ago. And I don't believe the universe and the earth were created in 6 days.

Show me where it is clearly defined what a day is? It clearly indicates God created trees and plants which bore fruit in a single day, and anyone can understand, that is not possible for humans to do. Therefore, we must comprehend that God has the ability to make time stand still, or make a day last for as long as he pleases. If God could create everything in 6 days, why not 2 days or 1 day? Is there some reason God would need 6 days? If he is omnipotent and can make time stand still, there is no need for any days, he could have done it all in a nano-second, and he could have done it so that it appeared to be billions of years old to humans. Omnipotence has its rewards!

No YOU make ridiculous statements that are supported by fairy tales. My statements are supported by SCIENCE and Logic! In other words I can PROVE my assertions. You cannot! Anyone with a half a brain KNOWS that the Bible is not historically accurate!

I've made NO ridiculous statement and everything I've stated is from the Bible. You are hung up on human concepts and physics, which God created, and you act as though God is a fallible human who is constrained by your sciences and understandings of the universe. If that is your concept of what and who God is, I agree with you 1000%.... THAT God, doesn't exist!

 

[wiseones2cents]

Fascinating. Where is the verse that says "the day cycle is clearly described as one morning(light) and one evening(darkness). That is a day."......or something to that affect. Thanks.

Genesis 1:3-5

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

 

[wiseones2cents]

And as has been pointed out, the cycle described as a "day" did not happen until the 5th verse of Genesis. How much human-understood time passed in the first four verses, is not presented. It could have easily been billions of years. God could have created the heavens and earth a billion times and destroyed it, in those four verses. God, being omnipotent, could also make "a day" last for billions of years, if that's what God wanted to do.

OK guys. We are dealing with an idiot! The point is that the verse clearly describes a day in Genesis as a evening and morning. Not a billion years! Your arguments are that of a moron. GOD can probably pull donkeys out of your ass too but HE doesn't! Do you know why? GOD does not work in the way you think HE does.

HE doesn't stop time or create and destroy things four times. The notion is idiotic.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it state that one day is equivalent to a thousand years to God. This is another of your misinterpretations. In 2 Peter, it is said that a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day to God, but that is not a literal dissemination of time from God's perspective, that is a human trying to relate to other humans, the omnipotence of God, which they can't comprehend. Again, just between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:4, could have been billions of years. A "day" in Genesis, could have been billions of years, because God is not confined to laws of the universe or time.

Yes it does, and you mentioned that verse to support your stupid belief that the book of Genesis is historically accurate. When anyone that has studied Scripture HONESTLY will tell you that it is NOT!!

Show me where it is clearly defined what a day is? It clearly indicates God created trees and plants which bore fruit in a single day, and anyone can understand, that is not possible for humans to do. Therefore, we must comprehend that God has the ability to make time stand still, or make a day last for as long as he pleases. If God could create everything in 6 days, why not 2 days or 1 day? Is there some reason God would need 6 days? If he is omnipotent and can make time stand still, there is no need for any days, he could have done it all in a nano-second, and he could have done it so that it appeared to be billions of years old to humans. Omnipotence has its rewards!

Then why six days? Using your own logic that right there proves the book of Genesis is full of shit.lol

Genesis 1:3-5

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

I've made NO ridiculous statement and everything I've stated is from the Bible. You are hung up on human concepts and physics, which God created, and you act as though God is a fallible human who is constrained by your sciences and understandings of the universe. If that is your concept of what and who God is, I agree with you 1000%.... THAT God, doesn't exist!

I am hung up on nothing. I am open minded and and I analyze everything inside the box and outside. Your ridiculous statement is that you are trying to prove that the book of Genesis is historically accurate. Where is your science? Your logic is laughable.

Actually my GOD does exist! Your biblical god on the other hand is greatly mis-interpreted and mis-understood.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

The point is that the verse clearly describes a day in Genesis as a evening and morning.

It simply doesn't. You have interpreted this incorrectly. It also doesn't state how long an evening was or how long morning lasted. Could have been billions of years, could have been a few seconds. Nowhere is a "day" defined as 24 hrs. Here is where your precious science may lend a clue to your stupidity, according to physics and science, has the earth ALWAYS spun at the precise rate of 24 hrs per day? That has never been any different amount of time, since the planet was formed, that is what you are trying to claim here, correct? Well, that defies logic and physics.

Yes it does, and you mentioned that verse to support your stupid belief that the book of Genesis is historically accurate.

No, I mentioned that verse to point out that God is not constrained by time.

Then why six days? Using your own logic that right there proves the book of Genesis is full of shit.lol

No, it proves you are full of shit.lol

I am hung up on nothing. I am open minded and and I analyze everything inside the box and outside. Your ridiculous statement is that you are trying to prove that the book of Genesis is historically accurate. Where is your science? Your logic is laughable.

Nowhere will you find, in this thread, or any other thread, where I have stated that Genesis is "historically accurate." We're arguing about what is in the Bible, and how you have misinterpreted it. You're simply not "open minded", in fact, I have not met many who are as closed minded as you. Genesis is telling a story about our creation, it's not intended to be a diary of events or documentary. You are attempting to pervert Genesis into that, so that you can then torch your straw man. You are the only person in this thread who has mentioned "historical accuracy."

There is no defined measure of time in Genesis. It does mention "days" as well as "morning" and "evening," but it simply doesn't tell us how long of a period of human-defined time this was, or how much perception of human-defined time may have passed in between. Those are presumptions you have made, based on the fact that you don't comprehend how God doesn't have to operate on what you understand as laws of the universe.

Again, why would an omnipotent God need 6 days, or any days? Simple, he wouldn't. The "days" are indicated in the story to give the reader as sense of order, nothing more. In fact, the Hebrew translations use the word "yom" instead of "day" and "yom" can mean any number of time periods. WE translated the Bible into English and used the word "day."