You won't hear this on msnbc

Rokin Kat said:
Huh?
If you believe that you have no hope of understanding reality.
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7 years of economic growth, a stable economy and an avg. of 5.2% unemployment with Bush.........Obama can't begin to compete with that record and after 4 years of his
leadership, we're worse off than before.....

and that is REALITY.
 
bravo said:
7 years of economic growth, a stable economy and an avg. of 5.2% unemployment with Bush.........Obama can't begin to compete with that record and after 4 years of his
leadership, we're worse off than before.....

and that is REALITY.
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Um, no, Bravo. That is just your reality, one which is not even shared by other conservatives on this site.
 
Rune said:
Um, no, Bravo. That is just your reality, one which is not even shared by other conservatives on this site.
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Be that as it may.....
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7 years of economic growth, a stable economy and an avg. of 5.2% unemployment with Bush.....
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Can you refute this data with some facts of your own....ON TOPIC.....
Economic growth

stable economy, at least until the shit hit the fan (and I can post a video showing Bush warning Congress of the Fannie and Freddie mortgage/housing problems coming, and the Dems saying there is no problem)

Unemployment
 
bravo said:
Be that as it may.....


Can you refute this data with some facts of your own....ON TOPIC.....
Economic growth

stable economy, at least until the shit hit the fan (and I can post a video showing Bush warning Congress of the Fannie and Freddie mortgage/housing problems coming, and the Dems saying there is no problem)

Unemployment
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Crickets.....just as I thought
 
bravo said:
Millionaires pay a rate that’s more than four times that of the middle class.

According to new data from the IRS, people who make $1 million or more had an average tax rate of 20.4 percent in 2010. Tax filers who earned $30,000 to $50,000 paid an average rate of 4.8 percent, while those who made between $50,000 and $100,000 paid 7.7 percent. Those making under $30,000 had a negative effective rate, meaning they paid no federal income taxes after deductions and credits.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49939444


Although Obama and his fellow Democrats repeatedly call on wealthier Americans to pay their "fair share," they never specify what percentage of the nation's tax burden the wealthy would have to bear. As matters stand, the top 1 percent of American households paid 39 percent of income taxes in 2009, according to the most recent data compiled by the Congressional Budget Office, and the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid 64 percent.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/exami...their-fair-share/article/2513985#.ULGtsaOwUzQ
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Hmm, who has more discretionary income after taxes, the $800,000 individual or the $28,560 individual?

Newsflash, I'm no where near making a million a year and my tax number is well over 20%. Maybe you can explain why I pay a higher percentage than Bill Gates.
 
christiefan915 said:
Hmm, who has more discretionary income after taxes, the $800,000 individual or the $28,560 individual?

Newsflash, I'm no where near making a million a year and my tax number is well over 20%. Maybe you can explain why I pay a higher percentage than Bill Gates.
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Because you don't take advantage of your deductions that are available......hint, use an accountant.
 
christiefan915 said:
Hmm, who has more discretionary income after taxes, the $800,000 individual or the $28,560 individual?

Newsflash, I'm no where near making a million a year and my tax number is well over 20%. Maybe you can explain why I pay a higher percentage than Bill Gates.
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Bullshit. No way your effective rate is over 20% unless you are making well over $300K a year in which case you are rich and you then tell yourself to go fuck yourself because you call yourself a greedy prick.

Look at the IRS data and stop listening to Buffets lies
 
I Love America said:
Bullshit. No way your effective rate is over 20% unless you are making well over $300K a year in which case you are rich and you then tell yourself to go fuck yourself because you call yourself a greedy prick.

Look at the IRS data and stop listening to Buffets lies
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You wont hear this on Faux News.

http://www.businessinsider.com/7000-millionaires-paid-no-income-tax-2012-9

7,000 Millionaires Paid No Income Tax In 2011

The chart below from the Tax Policy Center shows the distribution of federal income taxes paid by income level in 2011.

It contains a number of interesting factoids, including the following:

7,000 people made more than $1 million but paid no income tax.
22,000 people made between $500,000 and $1 million but paid no income tax.
81,000 people made between $200,000 and $500,000 but paid no income tax.
381,000 people made between $100,000 and $200,000 but paid no income tax.

So that's 491,000 Americans who made more than $100,000 a year who paid no income tax. (Clearly dependent victims who refuse to take responsibility for their lives!)


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/7000-millionaires-paid-no-income-tax-2012-9#ixzz2DL7YWiP7
 
52,000,000 ....Thats 52 MILLION people file but pay no taxes.....and many more millions don't even bother to file at all.....


and incidentally....those 491,000 taxpayers that didn't owe any tax in some given year are doing nothing illegal.....nothing.....that they have deductions, etcs....that
give them 0 taxes in some particular year, is perfectly legal AND MEANINGLESS unless your jealousy and envy is that uncontrollable......next year they may pay those dolllars you so covet like a drooling pig gobbling slop...


And all you whining won't change the FACT and figures from the CBO.....its an undeniable fact the richest in the US pay the bulk of tax revenue collected, 20% paying almost 70% of the taxes....

They don't make the laws, they obey them.
 
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bravo said:
52,000,000 ....Thats 52 MILLION people file but pay no taxes.....and many more millions don't even bother to file at all.....


and incidentally....those 491,000 taxpayers that didn't owe any tax in some given year are doing nothing illegal.....nothing.....that they have deductions, etcs....that
give them 0 taxes in some particular year, is perfectly legal AND MEANINGLESS unless your jealousy and envy is that uncontrollable......next year they may pay those dolllars you so covet like a drooling pig gobbling slop...


And all you whining won't change the FACT and figures from the CBO.....its an undeniable fact the richest in the US pay the bulk of tax revenue collected, 20% paying almost 70% of the taxes....

They don't make the laws, they obey them.
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Yawn.....Here are the actual figures.

http://www.politicususa.com/half-americans-taxes.html

Therefore your ok with 7,000 millionaires paying no taxes,and also ok with the fact that 491,000 well off Americans payed NO TAXES? You call that paying their fair share?Your a fucking idiot!!!

They are doing nothing illegal because congress made legal something that SHOULD be illegal and unethical!!!Therefore we need the tax deductions to cease! If the working class has to pay their fair share, so should the rich!!!
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yawn.....Here are the actual figures.

http://www.politicususa.com/half-americans-taxes.html

Therefore your ok with 7,000 millionaires paying no taxes,and also ok with the fact that 491,000 well off Americans payed NO TAXES? You call that paying their fair share?Your a fucking idiot!!!

They are doing nothing illegal because congress made legal something that SHOULD be illegal and unethical!!!Therefore we need the tax deductions to cease! If the working class has to pay their fair share, so should the rich!!!
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Romney said he would fix exactly what you're complaining about.
 
I Love America said:
Bullshit. No way your effective rate is over 20% unless you are making well over $300K a year in which case you are rich and you then tell yourself to go fuck yourself because you call yourself a greedy prick.

Look at the IRS data and stop listening to Buffets lies
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You're clueless. Look at the tax brackets for 2011 and get back to me.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Politicians say alot of things and then do the opposite!
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You mean like promising to close Gitmo? You mean like Obama saying he would not mess with medical marijuana? Yeah, politicians say a lot of things. Romney didn't get the chance. Obama has and he's a liar.

You're in over your head, pal.
 
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christiefan915 said:
You're clueless. Look at the tax brackets for 2011 and get back to me.
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I said effective rate clueless. And if you pay an effective rate of over 20% then you are classified as rich by Obama and I don't feel sorry for you. You asked for it. Just keep telling yourself it is going to the needy who need food and clothes and housing and phones.
 
I Love America said:
Dear Sweetums,

I have never argued that we will head toward economic collapse if the top marginal rate is raised to 39%. I argue against higher taxes on moral grounds. I never argue them on whether or not the economy will grow. Anyone who knows anything about the economy knows that it doesn't grow or shrink based on one factor alone such as taxes. Only an idiot would believe such nonsense.

For me taxes are a moral issue of theft by the government.

Now, I asked you very specific and very simple question. What do you think YOUR highest marginal tax rate should be. We already know what you think the 1% should pay, but what about you? You are either afraid to answer the question (as most liberals are for some reason) or you don't understand the question.

Allow me to help you out. I personally oppose ALL income taxes on moral grounds and think they should be abolished. But, if we are forced to live with one, then I believe we should have a flat tax of 15% on ALL income regardless of source paid by ALL citizens regardless of class with ZERO deductions for ANYTHING. That would be the most FAIR form of taxation in my view.

Sincerely,

Someone who is obviously much smarter than you
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Hilarious. One doesn't often see the words "moral grounds" and "taxes" in the same sentence.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yawn.....Here are the actual figures.

http://www.politicususa.com/half-americans-taxes.html

Therefore your ok with 7,000 millionaires paying no taxes,and also ok with the fact that 491,000 well off Americans payed NO TAXES? You call that paying their fair share?Your a fucking idiot!!!

They are doing nothing illegal because congress made legal something that SHOULD be illegal and unethical!!!Therefore we need the tax deductions to cease! If the working class has to pay their fair share, so should the rich!!!
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The working class DON'T pay their fair share...not if its 2 or 4 or 5 or 6 times less than others and in some cases, 2, 4, 5, or 6 times more than others....
Tax law is not based on fairness, its based on redistributing the wealth of the wealthy....punishing the successful.
My sig, says it all.....


I'm more then ok with anyone that can obey the tax laws and pay the minimum they can....legally...no matter what their income level....Why ?....Because WE ALL DO THE SAME THING.....take our deductions and pay the least we owe.....

I'm more ok with that than with the 52 million that don't pay anything at all.....I think everyone, and I mean everyone should pay a minimum tax.......one flat low rate....no matter how poor or rich....and/or a consumption tax on non-essentials and non-necessities.......
 
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