Fucking Pig Feds, This story has me absolutely disgusted.

[apple0154]

You are referring to our yearly "Property Tax"; but I fail to see what that has to do with your assertion that the Government is going to put me and others like me away and seize my property or what it has to do with the delusional world, that you've created for yourself.

Yes, property tax. A bill you pay which is your portion of sharing the cost to provide services and if you don't pay it the authorities will seize your land and sell it. Whether or not you agree with the services you still have to pay that bill. That is community living.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Yes, property tax. A bill you pay which is your portion of sharing the cost to provide services and if you don't pay it the authorities will seize your land and sell it. Whether or not you agree with the services you still have to pay that bill. That is community living.

You still haven't explained how this fits into your delusional world or what a Property Tax has to do with your statement of:

Yes, I do need a clearer and more detailed picture considering the US military take over countries with a population greatly exceeding 3 million. And who is going to side with you? The people who vote for Obama? The people who are finally getting medical care? The poor and not so poor struggling to pay the bills are going to side with those who have the resources to help but are too selfish?

You're dreaming. The government will put you and others like you away and seize your property. One way or the other you're going to share. The choice is yours as to how you wish to do it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

If the majority want services who are the 2% to stop them?

those services include stealing my property?

How are they oppressive? As for supreme, of course. Who should be supreme if not the Federal Government?

i'm sensing a little obfuscation here, as supreme and oppressive central government would be that one world government you are promoting. And if you can't see how ignoring the rights of the 2% isn't oppressive, then you aren't a liberal or progressive, but a statist.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yes, property tax. A bill you pay which is your portion of sharing the cost to provide services and if you don't pay it the authorities will seize your land and sell it. Whether or not you agree with the services you still have to pay that bill. That is community living.

what about the person living out in BFE, with no community around him?

 

[Althea]

A couple of corrections. First, let's clear up the misunderstanding (??) that people spread about requiring higher and higher doses. I have been taking the same dosage for over 10 years when it was increased from the dosage I had been taking for 5 years previous. Yes, I probably would require higher and higher dosages IF I was taking it to get high and that's the crux of the discussion. A specific dosage counter-acts the pain. If the pain stays the same the dosage will stay the same.

Second, while pain meds will not cure the problem the problem is not curable with today's medical technology. It is due to nerve damage and repairing nerves is not yet possible. Similar to diabetes. Insulin will never cure diabetes but it allows people to function. Unless and until they are able to repair nerve damage there is no reason for me to stop taking opioids so whether I'm dependent or addicted I suppose the point is really moot.

Lastly, there are occasional days when I require less and other days when I require more. If I take a little less I do not go through any type of withdrawal and when I take a little more I do not jump out windows or run down the street naked. They are, to use an old saying, a God-send.

My doctor did tell me these drugs are frequently abused and, in a round about way, implied I may occasionally notice a car parked across the street. I told him that should I notice anyone I'd definitely offer them a coffee.

In this day and age there is no reason for anyone to be in pain. There is nothing noble about needless suffering.

I understand, and I'm sure you know that I'm not judging you. Further...I know nerve damage can be horrible. I've got a friend who had an incompetent doctor remove an inflamed nerve, somehow thinking it was a tumor. His pain is unbearable....although he also tends to abuse a variety of drugs.

I've done some reading on the subject, and it seems that the APA held extensive meetings in order to come up with a set of guidelines for referring to the issue. They felt the term 'addicted' was a pejorative that had negative connotations.

In the end, they voted on distinguishing between dependence, and addiction. The measure was passed by a one vote difference.



Shame that you have to live with that damage. If it were a different issue, weed might prove effective.

 

[apple0154]

You still haven't explained how this fits into your delusional world or what a Property Tax has to do with your statement of:

Originally Posted by apple0154
Yes, I do need a clearer and more detailed picture considering the US military take over countries with a population greatly exceeding 3 million. And who is going to side with you? The people who vote for Obama? The people who are finally getting medical care? The poor and not so poor struggling to pay the bills are going to side with those who have the resources to help but are too selfish?

You're dreaming. The government will put you and others like you away and seize your property. One way or the other you're going to share. The choice is yours as to how you wish to do it.

My point is if the government decides to tax you, you will pay the tax. Whether it's payroll tax or property tax or sales tax you will pay the tax. If you owe property tax your home will be auctioned off and the tax collected. It's as simple as that.

 

[apple0154]

those services include stealing my property?

i'm sensing a little obfuscation here, as supreme and oppressive central government would be that one world government you are promoting. And if you can't see how ignoring the rights of the 2% isn't oppressive, then you aren't a liberal or progressive, but a statist.

The Supreme Court has decided against the 2% as far as ObamaCare is concerned. Oppression would be being controlled by the 2%, not by a democratically elected government.

Statist: an advocate of statism. Statism: the principle or policy of concentrating extensive economic, political, and related controls in the state at the cost of individual liberty.

Let me put it this way. I trust the state more than I trust any individual.

 

[apple0154]

what about the person living out in BFE, with no community around him?

Their property taxes would be correspondingly lower.

 

[apple0154]

I understand, and I'm sure you know that I'm not judging you. Further...I know nerve damage can be horrible. I've got a friend who had an incompetent doctor remove an inflamed nerve, somehow thinking it was a tumor. His pain is unbearable....although he also tends to abuse a variety of drugs.

I've done some reading on the subject, and it seems that the APA held extensive meetings in order to come up with a set of guidelines for referring to the issue. They felt the term 'addicted' was a pejorative that had negative connotations.

In the end, they voted on distinguishing between dependence, and addiction. The measure was passed by a one vote difference.



Shame that you have to live with that damage. If it were a different issue, weed might prove effective.

The funny thing is I find weed far too strong.

I remember many years ago friends would drop by and we'd partake of the plant. Shortly thereafter someone would say, "So, what do you want to do today?"

"Do? Huh? What? You mean move? Get up?" :lol:


I don't know why it affected me that way but even the cheapest home grown was a kicker. A few times of that and I decided it wasn't for me.

I had the same problem when the doctors gave me tranquillizers, like ativan, for the pain. They gave me a few different ones to try and they all put me to sleep. The opioids work the best. They alleviate the pain without making me feel drugged. Maybe I was a poppy farmer in a past life.

 

[Haiku]

The funny thing is I find weed far too strong.

I remember many years ago friends would drop by and we'd partake of the plant. Shortly thereafter someone would say, "So, what do you want to do today?"

"Do? Huh? What? You mean move? Get up?" :lol:


I don't know why it affected me that way but even the cheapest home grown was a kicker. A few times of that and I decided it wasn't for me.

I had the same problem when the doctors gave me tranquillizers, like ativan, for the pain. They gave me a few different ones to try and they all put me to sleep. The opioids work the best. They alleviate the pain without making me feel drugged. Maybe I was a poppy farmer in a past life.

Everyone's different. Weed hits me hard too but now I can take a couple of hits. For pain I use nothing but vicodin as needed. I had some trouble getting it in the beginning but my doctor trusts me now so no problem getting refills when needed.

I'd like to have access to weed so I could give it a real trial.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

My point is if the government decides to tax you, you will pay the tax. Whether it's payroll tax or property tax or sales tax you will pay the tax. If you owe property tax your home will be auctioned off and the tax collected. It's as simple as that.

But you said they were going to put people away; so please tell how people are going to be "put away" for not paying their property taxes.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The Supreme Court has decided against the 2% as far as ObamaCare is concerned. Oppression would be being controlled by the 2%, not by a democratically elected government.

Statist: an advocate of statism. Statism: the principle or policy of concentrating extensive economic, political, and related controls in the state at the cost of individual liberty.

Let me put it this way. I trust the state more than I trust any individual.

besides the fact that you obviously don't understand the USSC decision on Obamacare, nor what oppression or democratically elected governments are, it's evident that your views are out of line with the founders, thus you are a traitor to the constitution and the country.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Their property taxes would be correspondingly lower.

so months ago when you claimed that taxes were to support the community and those that didn't want to support the community could live OUTSIDE of society, you were lying. would you just prefer that the government built everyone a two bedroom home on a little lot with appropriate food supplies and our income just went straight to the gov bank account?

 

[apple0154]

But you said they were going to put people away; so please tell how people are going to be "put away" for not paying their property taxes.

They'll be put away if they act like lunatics with guns. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Those wackos who say the government is socialist and they'll take up arms.

 

[apple0154]

besides the fact that you obviously don't understand the USSC decision on Obamacare, nor what oppression or democratically elected governments are, it's evident that your views are out of line with the founders, thus you are a traitor to the constitution and the country.

I understand the decision very well. The government is allowed to tax the people to pay for ObamaCare. I understand what a democratically elected government is and I understand there are people who refuse to go along to get along and kicking their asses is not oppression. It is education. And, finally, I understand the Preamble "....states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve." That's fairly straight forward.

So, what does it say? It says, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

A more perfect union. Promote the general welfare. Secure the blessings of liberty.

Does that sound like they couldn't care less if 45,000 citizens needlessly died every year? Is needless death a blessing of liberty? Does 45,000 deaths make for a more perfect union? What about welfare, general or otherwise? Is it beneficial to the welfare of the country to have 45,000 citizens needlessly dying each and every year? If so, perhaps you can explain your reasoning.

 

[Althea]

The funny thing is I find weed far too strong.

I remember many years ago friends would drop by and we'd partake of the plant. Shortly thereafter someone would say, "So, what do you want to do today?"

"Do? Huh? What? You mean move? Get up?" :lol:


I don't know why it affected me that way but even the cheapest home grown was a kicker. A few times of that and I decided it wasn't for me.

I had the same problem when the doctors gave me tranquillizers, like ativan, for the pain. They gave me a few different ones to try and they all put me to sleep. The opioids work the best. They alleviate the pain without making me feel drugged. Maybe I was a poppy farmer in a past life.

Maybe you should try again. Was this before you were on pain meds?

Some I know who are on opioids don't get buzzed on weed as much as they used to.

They've got some KILLER herb these days.

 

[apple0154]

so months ago when you claimed that taxes were to support the community and those that didn't want to support the community could live OUTSIDE of society, you were lying. would you just prefer that the government built everyone a two bedroom home on a little lot with appropriate food supplies and our income just went straight to the gov bank account?

Where can anyone live OUTSIDE of society? They can live outside the city and pay fewer taxes. They can live in the bush and pay very low taxes but regardless of where they live if they live in the US then they will pay appropriate taxes.

As for the two bedroom house some people don't want a house. Too much lawn cutting and general maintenance. However, those in need can be supplied a room with a bed. Is that too much to ask?

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Where can anyone live OUTSIDE of society? They can live outside the city and pay fewer taxes. They can live in the bush and pay very low taxes but regardless of where they live if they live in the US then they will pay appropriate taxes.

As for the two bedroom house some people don't want a house. Too much lawn cutting and general maintenance. However, those in need can be supplied a room with a bed. Is that too much to ask?

If you want to pay for that room with your own money then it is not too much to ask. But if you confiscate someone else's property to assuage your own conscience then that is too much to ask.

 

[apple0154]

Maybe you should try again. Was this before you were on pain meds?

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Yes, before pain meds. This was a very long time ago. I was in my early 20s.

Some I know who are on opioids don't get buzzed on weed as much as they used to.

They've got some KILLER herb these days.

I suppose I could try it again but, as you say, they have killer herb today. If I do try it I'll make sure I'm lying down first. :lol:

 

[apple0154]

If you want to pay for that room with your own money then it is not too much to ask. But if you confiscate someone else's property to assuage your own conscience then that is too much to ask.

No need to confiscate anyone's property. I'm sure there are penty of people who would operate a rooming house. Guaranteed rent paid by the government. Can't beat that.