PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
not really......though liberals do like to play pretend......
Six Israeli 'spies' executed before baying mob in Gaza City
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not really......though liberals do like to play pretend......
wiseones2cents
Verified User
ummmm yes really but republicans like to stay in DENIAL!!!
Here have a read. Much of the stuff is covered up by military and medical staff(used to treat the tortured for round two)!!!There is no practice more barbaric then torture.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/05/05/how-many-were-tortured-to-death.html
But hey! Lets point out how barbaric the Muslims are and ignore America's own barbaric practices right? Go fly a kite near a cliff, you false prophet.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
What numbers are you using, to come to the amount of "many'?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
you'll need to come up with something credible if you want to play.....
wiseones2cents
Verified User
Ohhh you mean something from Faux news? ROTFLOL!!!!!
Why dont you google how many prosoners died in Guantanamo bay Prison?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_homicide_accusations
Here's an interesting trailer about a movie that speaks about those that have diedn under American interrogation.
You still in denial???lol
Wise Old Man
Banned
Tell me which is worse, pouring water up someone's nose for information or using a drone to obliterate then and anyone near them without a trial. This is going to require a thought process instead of spewing propaganda. Keep some Aspirin nearby
wiseones2cents
Verified User
It didn't require much thought at all.
I'd rather be killed instantly then tortured to death. And the NDAA is actually GWB's baby. Obama is just following his lead......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2008
The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 is a law in the United States signed by President George W. Bush on January 28, 2008.
Wise Old Man
Banned
No trial and innocent people murdered. Obama bootlicker. The only fools who use wikipedia on internet political forums are those who are dishonest because wikipedia can be edited and is not a secure site. You're a pretender.
wiseones2cents
Verified User
I'm not a pretender. Im a contender! A heavy weight debator, who destroys his opponents.lol
bush has been throwing people in jail for years without trial. A la guantanamo. And who knows how many others including Americans in secret prisons.
That is a fools debating tactic to easily dismiss a source without verifying it because it doesn't support their dellusions. Especially without providing a counter source.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/19/police-claims-shaker-aamer-torture-mi5-complicit
The GWB administration uses Mafia tactics. Do you know why? They ARE organized criminals. How does it feel to have voted for this moron not once but twice? I'd say you have blood on your hands.
Wise Old Man
Banned
I'm not a pretender. Im a contender! A heavy weight debator, who destroys his opponents.lol
bush has been throwing people in jail for years without trial. A la guantanamo. And who knows how many others including Americans in secret prisons.
That is a fools debating tactic to easily dismiss a source without verifying it because it doesn't support their dellusions. Especially without providing a counter source.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/19/police-claims-shaker-aamer-torture-mi5-complicit
The GWB administration uses Mafia tactics. Do you know why? They ARE organized criminals. How does it feel to have voted for this moron not once but twice? I'd say you have blood on your hands.
So Obama using a drone to obiliterate innocent people without a trial is better than pouring water up their nose to obtain information. You obviously do not have a clue. Just another useful idiot to spew propaganda.
wiseones2cents
Verified User
I believe I already answered that question! And as far as I'm concerned? Obama just like every American President is just a figure head with no real power. The people in power work behind the scenes pulling the strings of the president like a puppet.
Yes I know. The truth hurts!!!!
Wise Old Man
Banned
The truth is this. You condemn Bush for pouring water up a terrorist's nose without leaving a scratch, then you condone using a drone to obliterate people who may be innocent without a trial. That's my point. You're an idiot.
wiseones2cents
Verified User
without leaving a scratch? Your a fucking idiot. I presented proof thta stated they were tortured and that many died in custody!!! Then I mentioned that fact tha bush lied to the American people and caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people via a unnecessary war!!!
You lost this debate but are too fucking stupid to realize it!
Wise Old Man
Banned
I showed you a video of what Democrats said even before Bush was President. Were they lying also? Are these quotes lies or not?
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
Wise Old Man
Banned
Go back to school, son. You're not ready for the real world.
wiseones2cents
Verified User
I guess you have a hearing problem. All these quotes were as the result of faulty information on the part of the REPUBLICAN war profiteers!!! But I guess you didn't get the memo that America was lied to(ummm wiki leaks). You were too busy living in your make belief world that shelters you from reality!
The facts are that all the LIES the bush administration used as a case for war were found out to be?? LIES!! Therefore they deceived the American public(and democrats) into a uneccesary war that led to the deaths of many American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. And for what? Elite interest OIL!!!!
Would must feel like a really stupid old man now dont you?
Wise Old Man
Banned
All the quotes here are from 1998. Who was President then?
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
Wise Old Man
Banned
wiseones2cents, You dumb fucking idiot. Go get an education and come back when you're equipped.
wiseones2cents
Verified User
It doesn't mater. It is a known fact that the Republicans had already made a case for war against Iraq before they were even elected!!! Which doesn't surprise me since Bush's grand daddy made his fortune in war profiteering financing the Nazis!!!
Now who was feeding them the bullshit?
The Elites were pressuring Clinton to attack Iraq but he didn't! Then they applied blackmail and their ace in the sleeve, the jew Monica Lewinski was called to apply more pressure. As soon as the scandal hit, clinton bombed Iraq the day before his impeachment hearing!!!!
Now if you IDIOT republicans wanted to impeach Clinton for lying about receiving a blow job, what do you think should be done with GWB's lies that led to the deaths of tens of thousands??? Your not looking to good stupid old man.
I must go now, but I will deal with you tomorrow!