Israel's right to exist

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wiseones2cents

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I keep on hearing about Israel's right to defend themselves and Israel's right to exist. Can somebody explain to me their right to exist as a state in Palestine? Please dont use the Bible because it would be laughed out of any secular court.
 
Your question is irrelevant. It's like asking whether the US has a right to exist - at the end of the day, what's done is done.

What is your solution, exactly?
 
Israel's right to exsist is none. They are living on land they stole from the Palestinians.And now they are committing genocide on the Palestinian people.
 
Heisenberg said:
Your question is irrelevant. It's like asking whether the US has a right to exist - at the end of the day, what's done is done.

What is your solution, exactly?
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Ummm whats done is done? Its not done yet. The Muslims do not recognize the state.

My solution is if they can't play nice with the Palestinians, they should get the fuck out!
 
wanderingbear said:
Israel's right to exsist is none. They are living on land they stole from the Palestinians.And now they are committing genocide on the Palestinian people.
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ding sing ding. We have a winner!!! Want to hear a little secret???

You know? About GOD giving the land to Israel? that is a bunch of caca.

What happened was there was a powerful warlord. He owned much territory. Abraham married his(The Lord's) daughter Sarah(which in Hebrew means women of high rank).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah

The Hebrew name Sarah indicates a woman of high rank and is translated as "princess."


Now in those days, the father of the bride would usually provide a dowry(usually consisting of land) to the groom. Therefore this warlord/King gave Abraham the land they settled, which was inhabited by Canaanites who were basically a slave class with no rights to any inheritance or land.

Now this Lord insisted that only those of his bloodline through Sarah could inherit the land. Any child via a concubine had no inheritance. Though if I am not mistaken? According to Babylonian law at the time? The firstborn even of a concubine(Ishmael) had right to inheritance. Which would explain the fight for the land.

And that in a nutshell is the mystery of the "lord" of Abraham.
 
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We stole Texas from Mexico, same difference.
They should fight their own battles with the bad ass weapons we pay for!
 
wanderingbear said:
Israel's right to exsist is none. They are living on land they stole from the Palestinians.And now they are committing genocide on the Palestinian people.
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Using that as your scale, the US doesn't have any right to exist, since they stole it from the british and later from the natives, also committing genocide on the natives. So why aren't you advocating for the demise of the US?
 
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The fact is that they are there and nobody is leaving.
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The fact is that it is the Palestinian's land and the Zionists are an occupying force. They should be forced to leave by the international community, but since the jews have so much influence world wide(thanks to their credit monopoly), it is difficult. But we the people of the earth should demand they either play nice or get the fuck out.
 
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SmarterthanYou said:
Using that as your scale, the US doesn't have any right to exist, since they stole it from the british and later from the natives, also committing genocide on the natives. So why aren't you advocating for the demise of the US?
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Your argument is nonsense. Since these things happened long ago when times(and laws) were different. The only legitimate comparison you can make is with China and Tibet!
 
The Dude said:
We stole Texas from Mexico, same difference.
They should fight their own battles with the bad ass weapons we pay for!
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So you'd be ok with China arming the Indians to the teeth? And them claiming they want their land back?

Maybe the Chinese should invade America once their economy collapses and when the Americans fight the occupation? China will call them terrorists and have them systematically assassinated!! Good idea?
 
wiseones2cents said:
Your argument is nonsense. Since these things happened long ago when times(and laws) were different. The only legitimate comparison you can make is with China and Tibet!
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time and laws are irrelevant. circumstances are the same. shooing it away with that kind of reasoning is nothing more than your unwillingness to accept Israels right to exist.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
time and laws are irrelevant. circumstances are the same. shooing it away with that kind of reasoning is nothing more than your unwillingness to accept Israels right to exist.
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So your saying that in this day and age a country, lets say Spain can take over a country Portugal without any public backlash? Nonsense. No one would recognize the occupation.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me what right Israel has to exist at all?
 
wiseones2cents said:
So you'd be ok with China arming the Indians to the teeth? And them claiming they want their land back?

Maybe the Chinese should invade America once their economy collapses and when the Americans fight the occupation? China will call them terrorists and have them systematically assassinated!! Good idea?
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I'd support the Indians, china hasn't been on our continent while we have sent our killers over there several times.
 
The Dude said:
I'd support the Indians, china hasn't been on our continent while we have sent our killers over there several times.
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Evvn though you might? Many people would fight to the death to stop the Indians from taking over their land and homes.

Hold on to your horses because if things keep going the way they are? That will change. The elites have found a new host. America will be abandoned for China. China might very well be the next super power.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Evvn though you might? Many people would fight to the death to stop the Indians from taking over their land and homes.

Hold on to your horses because if things keep going the way they are? That will change. The elites have found a new host. America will be abandoned for China. China might very well be the next super power.
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As an elite; I don't think you are talking for any of us!
 
wiseones2cents said:
So your saying that in this day and age a country, lets say Spain can take over a country Portugal without any public backlash? Nonsense. No one would recognize the occupation.
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who said anything about no public backlash? i'm specifically refuting wanderingbears bullshit post.

wiseones2cents said:
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me what right Israel has to exist at all?
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Israel has the same right to exist as the US does, As Cuba does after castros takeover, as any new government that would rule over somalia, if ever one takes hold. why don't you explain why Israel has no right to exist and what should happen to all of it's citizens.
 
wiseones2cents said:
So your saying that in this day and age a country, lets say Spain can take over a country Portugal without any public backlash? Nonsense. No one would recognize the occupation.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me what right Israel has to exist at all?
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what right does any country have to exist, if not for their own sheer will? might is right. deal with it. before the current state it was owned by the brits, before that, the ottomans. before that some other country... i can't remember. probably a half dozen before that it was held by the romans. before that it was held by the jews. before that the philistines the cannanites, the egyptians, the babylonians.

every country in the world sits atop cultures and nations that once existed which are now assimilated into new regimes and new borders. The fact that everyone picks on israel not only shows their hypocrisy, but probably secret anti-jew stances. Israel has been established for generations now. It's not going away.
 
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