Alabama Upholds Segregation

[Timshel]

I haven't lied about anything. You have.

I do live in Alabama, I don't know why you believe I live somewhere else. I have lived in Georgia and Mississippi for a bit, and was in Iraq a few months, but I do live in Alabama. No you didn't argue why, did you? You stated quite matter-of-factually, why YOU THOUGHT they voted for it, but you've yet to support that with anything other than your opinion. The link you provided, supports my argument that the amendment is about constitutionality of education, and that is for the purpose of a school tax, as I also pointed out. So, no Stringy, I have not been the one lying here, it has been totally you who has lied. You continue to maintain this amendment was about racist people wanting to keep segregationist-era language in the constitution, for when we get enough states rights judges to overturn Jim Crow and Desegregation laws! You are out in left field la-la-land on that one, and you've again, not supported your argument with ANYTHING!

Your original link is Ballotpedia, a wiki-style site for ballot initiatives. It indicates http://www.secularal.org/ as the "opposition" view. I was opposed to the amendment, but not for their reason. I presume a lot of people were opposed for different reasons, the measure failed. It's up to YOU to prove this was about racists who wanted to hang on to segregation, and you've not presented that.

Again, you are posting information refuting your argument this was about racists who wanted to keep segregation. Do you think that is what Charles Miller is saying here? Because it doesn't sound like he's saying that to me. Sounds to me like the important thing to Mr. Miller and his group, is the 'constitutional right to an education' language. (That would be MY argument, not YOURS)

Generally speaking, in debate, it's best to post information to support your own argument, and not that of your opponent.
It's particularly not a good idea to do it multiple times, which you've now done. I've tried to tell you that you need to drop this and move on to some other lie, but you won't listen, you insist on doubling down here, and I'm running out of room on my wall to mount chunks of your ass. Either start posting some information to support your original argument, or shut the hell up!

Yeah, apparently, Secular Alabama isn't a racist hate group wanting to keep segregationist-era language in the constitution, as you originally claimed was the case. That's the IMPORTANT aspect we need to remember here. We also need to remember, Secular Alabama articulates an argument surrounding constitutionality of education, which is the argument I presented as well. I even gave you a background of how this all started, and why. It's about the state legislature trying to get the constitutional power to levy a school tax. If they can do that, then they might be able to balance the general budget, where education is currently paid from. Nothing has anything to do with educating children or segregation. It is about the state's constitutional authority to implement a school tax. Currently, they can't.

There is nothing to parse, nothing to be dishonest about, and the very links you've provided, supports every word I've said. I've not even had to post anything here, you've done a splendid job of posting quotes from Mr. Miller of Secular Alabama, to prove your argument invalid and validate my argument. I do thank you for doing that, but please stop now, I don't have room for more of your ass on my wall! I'm going to have to start sending chunks to bravo to put in the Conservative Man Cave! So stop it!

Quit lying or back up your claim.

I didn't make any claims about why every voter who voted against this, did so. I NEVER claimed Secular Alabama opposed it because they wanted to maintain segregation. I seriously doubt the atheists hold a lot of influence in Alabama or swayed most of the voters. You are grasping at straws again. There reasons were not likely the difference maker.

I made statements about why YOU opposed it. I am sure your old klan brothers shared your reasons. But, you are not in Alabama. You blew that in the other thread when you started talking about this amendment as if it were the 2004 one, repeating the lies of racists like Roy Moore and then claimed Democrats were in control of the state legislature.

The quote shows why ONE group opposed it and it was NOT what you claimed. You aint getting nobody's ass queer! You are spinning round and round trying hard to confuse casual readers.

 

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Wait. Didn't Dixie say a while back he lived in Illinois or some other r midwestern state?

I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I have lived in Georgia and Mississippi for a bit, and was in Iraq a few months, but I do live in Alabama.

Blackwater?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else.

Never?

I have lived in Georgia and Mississippi for a bit, and was in Iraq a few months...

 

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Never?

I did not make myself clear. Dixie has said he lives in Alabama as long as I have seen him posting here. Most of us have lived in different places at one time or another.

Find anything about Dixie claiming he lived in the midwest?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

I did not make myself clear.

You made yourself perfectly clear.

Dixie has said he lives in Alabama as long as I have seen him posting here.

Except when he said he's lived in Georgia, Mississippi, and Iraq.

Most of us have lived in different places at one time or another.

Generalize much?

Well, Dixie claims to have lived in Georgia, Mississippi, and Iraq.

In this thread.

The same thread where you claimed this:

I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else.

Find anything about Dixie claiming he lived in the midwest?

Did I say I was looking for anything about Dixie claiming he lived in the Midwest?

 

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You made yourself perfectly clear.

Apparently I did not. Which is why I restated what I meant.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Apparently I did not. Which is why I restated what I meant.

So when you said this:

I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else.

You really meant "Dixie claims to have lived in Georgia, Mississippi, and Iraq"?

 

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So when you said this:



You really meant "Dixie claims to have lived in Georgia, Mississippi, and Iraq"?

No. When I said "I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else", I meant that Dixie has claimed to be a resident of Alabama for as long as I have seen him posting on here.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

No. When I said "I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else", I meant that Dixie has claimed to be a resident of Alabama for as long as I have seen him posting on here.

Really?

Yet just a few posts previously, Dixie claimed to have also lived in Georgia, Mississippi, and Iraq.

Didn't he?

 

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Really?

Yet just a few posts previously, Dixie claimed to have also lived in Georgia, Mississippi, and Iraq.

Didn't he?

Did he claim to have lived in those places since I have been posting on this forum? Because that is the time frame I addressed.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Did he claim to have lived in those places since I have been posting on this forum? Because that is the time frame I addressed.

He made that claim in this thread.

Last night.

Yesterday, at 09:18 PM.

I quoted his post to give you an opportunity to correct your lie.

Didn't see it?

I wonder how the people whose "safety" you oversee have survived if this is an example of your powers of observation.

 

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He made that claim in this thread.

Last night.

Yesterday, at 09:18 PM.

I quoted his post to give you an opportunity to correct your lie.

Didn't see it?

I wonder how the people whose "safety" you oversee have survived if this is an example of your powers of observation.

No lie at all. Dixie said that he has lived other places during his lifetime. I was addressing where he has said he lived while posting on this forum (at least while I have been here).

Dixie is over 50 years old. I have been posting here for around 6 years, I think.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

No lie at all. Dixie said that he has lived other places during his lifetime. I was addressing where he has said he lived while posting on this forum (at least while I have been here). Dixie is over 50 years old. I have been posting here for around 6 years, I think.

What you claimed was this:

I have been one this board for years, and I have never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else.

I pointed out that Dixie said he's lived in three other places.

So your claim was untruthful, wasn't it?

 

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What you claimed was this:



I pointed out that Dixie said he's lived in three other places.

So your claim was untruthful, wasn't it?

Nope. I was simply unclear about what I intended to say. I clarified that.

But you want to pursue the most trivial of details in an attempt at some sort of "gotcha".

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Nope. I was simply unclear about what I intended to say. I clarified that.
But you want to pursue the most trivial of details in an attempt at some sort of "gotcha".

So when you said you'd never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else, you were lying.

 

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So when you said you'd never seen Dixie say he lived anyplace else, you were lying.

Nope.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Nope.

So you're claiming that you've never seen Dixie claim to have lived anywhere else again?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Quit lying or back up your claim.

Well I'm not lying, and YOU already backed up my claim. You haven't backed up YOUR claim yet, that's what you should do. My claim was, the amendment wasn't about the segregation-era language and racists who wanted to keep it, but rather the constitutionality of public education. The link you posted shows the opposition to the amendment is rooted in the constitutionality of public education, and they state this as their opposition at their website. What you have yet to post, is where opposition is claiming to want segregated schools or to keep this in the constitution for nefarious reasons, like wanting to hold out for repeal of desegregation and Jim Crow. That was what you said earlier in this thread, and people can go back and read your post. The title of the thread speaks for itself, Stringy.

I didn't make any claims about why every voter who voted against this, did so. I NEVER claimed Secular Alabama opposed it because they wanted to maintain segregation. I seriously doubt the atheists hold a lot of influence in Alabama or swayed most of the voters. You are grasping at straws again. There reasons were not likely the difference maker.

Yes indeed, you DID make claims, Stringy. "Alabama Upholds Segregation" --That is a false claim.

You are simply hiding behind these bullshit arguments to uphold your legacy of hate and because you hope to reinstate segregation once the Federal courts are packed with advocates of "States' rights." ~Stringy

False claim by you, and nothing whatsoever to back it up. Your linked source, refutes your claim, the opposition clearly states this is not the case. The opposition, by the way, is Secular Alabama, a group of Seculars, Atheists, Agnostics and Humanists. These are YOUR kind of people, Stringy! THEY say this amendment was opposed because of language regarding constitutionalism of education, not segregation. They don't mention reinstating segregation, Federal courts, or packing them, and nothing about States Rights. So when are we getting this damning information to support your false claim, Stringy? The link you've provided contradicts you, and supports ME!

I made statements about why YOU opposed it. I am sure your old klan brothers shared your reasons. But, you are not in Alabama. You blew that in the other thread when you started talking about this amendment as if it were the 2004 one, repeating the lies of racists like Roy Moore and then claimed Democrats were in control of the state legislature.

Well you don't know why I oppose or favor anything, because you don't fucking know me, moron. I live in Alabama, and I am sorry as can be that you don't believe me, but I don't know what you want me to do? Why the hell would I lie about that? Again, we have Stringy making a false claim, a whole bunch of false claims about "klan brothers" which I have no idea what he's talking about... and absolutely NOTHING to support his arguments. Just one bald-face lie after another in a flurry! WOW!

The quote shows why ONE group opposed it and it was NOT what you claimed. You aint getting nobody's ass queer! You are spinning round and round trying hard to confuse casual readers.

No spin, you provided all links in this thread. I've merely asked you to support your arguments, and you haven't. Meanwhile, the one link you did post, confirms what I said from the start. I am not a "queer" and I am offended you chose to use that word and homosexuality in general, to lash out at me in frustration, and I think it illustrates a level of your personal character the rest of the board needed to see, Stringy. No one is confused, casual readers are free to go back and read the previous posts. This is a relatively short thread, it's not that long of a read. You have made a series of offensive and derogatory claims, and haven't backed a thing up. I have used the very links you posted yourself, and the words of Seculars to prove my argument true. The primary opposition was the constitutional issue regarding public education, not segregationist language. That is exactly what I stated, and I told you why constitutionality of education at the state level was important as well. It's about school taxes.

Now Stringmeister... I can't sit here and tell you that what I said was the reason 100% of the people who rejected it did so. I don't have any way of going inside the heads of every voter and determining why they opposed this amendment. It's intellectually dishonest to try and hold your opponent to such a standard, and you are old enough to know that. I myself opposed this amendment, and I gave my reason, which had absolutely nothing to do with Secular Alabama's reason. I vote NO on ALL state amendments. It's that simple. I want a new state constitution, and my vote is a protest vote. When we finally get the politicians in Montgomery to let us have a Constitutional Convention, I promise you, I will make certain that we have NO segregation-era language in it.

 

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So you're claiming that you've never seen Dixie claim to have lived anywhere else again?

That is not what I said.

You asked if I was lying, I was not. I was not clear in what I meant. A lie is intentional.

Is there some reason that you get hung up on these trivial bits? This has nothing to do with the topic, and yet you pursue them with a vengence.