So why does a cat 1 hurricane harm New England / Mid Atlantic so much worse than FLA

Jarod

Jarod

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Seriously, we had two, one cat 2 and the other cat 3, 10 days apart and were not damaged anywhere close to what happened in NY, NJ, and DEL.... What gives?
 
Trees. Many more trees near power lines. Unless you're trying to claim the storm was more intense which might be the case if it gathered energy over the water. Hard to say.
 
these two storms happened at the same time and feed each other.


Manhatenization can complicate things.

If I remember correctly you live in Florida.


Florida is a series of underground rivers.


Your building plans and infrastructure are built with that in mind and your landmass even just naturally will process water differently than a land mass such as the east coast.
 
Jarod said:
Seriously, we had two, one cat 2 and the other cat 3, 10 days apart and were not damaged anywhere close to what happened in NY, NJ, and DEL.... What gives?
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As the storm moved toward the Eastern Seaboard, it combined with a winter storm, or strong low pressure system, from the west and a blast of cold air from the north.

The blending of these weather systems is what made Sandy so unusual.

Experts call it the "perfect storm." Conditions like these have not been seen since the New England Hurricane of 1938, which generated 50-foot waves and killed 500 people.

The position of the moon makes matters worse. Because the storm struck during a full moon, when the moon is aligned with the sun, tidal forces are strongest.

This means tides will be higher than normal, increasing the chance of flooding. Fall leaves on the ground clog drains and exacerbate this problem.

Sandy clobbered some of the most densely populated areas of the country, including Washington D.C., New York and Boston.




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Jarod said:
Seriously, we had two, one cat 2 and the other cat 3, 10 days apart and were not damaged anywhere close to what happened in NY, NJ, and DEL.... What gives?
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Sorry I yelled at you yesterday I guess you really didn't know.

It did intensify late in the day over the water just before making landfall, and tinfoil is right the trees in the northeast play a huge roll. They are responsible for much of the damage and sadly, for most of the deaths.

That is without flooding. GOogle oyster creek nuclear plant and hurricane sandy alert. Of course with climate change these "rare" northeastern storms will happen every year and eventually we will have our own Fukushima...if you remember while that was actually happening all of the experts, internet and otherwise, were telling us it coudln't happen.
 
Darla said:
Sorry I yelled at you yesterday I guess you really didn't know.

It did intensify late in the day over the water just before making landfall, and tinfoil is right the trees in the northeast play a huge roll. They are responsible for much of the damage and sadly, for most of the deaths.

That is without flooding. GOogle oyster creek nuclear plant and hurricane sandy alert. Of course with climate change these "rare" northeastern storms will happen every year and eventually we will have our own Fukushima...if you remember while that was actually happening all of the experts, internet and otherwise, were telling us it coudln't happen.
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No prob regarding the "yelling", I was wrong. The effects of this storm, with 90 mph winds, were much worse than the two we had with 120 MPH winds. I guess our building codes are designed with this in mind. The trees are another factor, but we do have trees here in Florida. We also dont build on low ground, we build it up first.
 
your also a series of undergrouns rivers.

Your land mass has a way to process way more water than a land mass that is not swamp land.
 
the make up of your state is why you have things like alligators.

The reason they will only remove an alligator once its a certain size is becuase it wiould be fruitless to remove the smaller ones which travel from pond to pond through these underground rivers.


I had to explain this to my sister who is a republican teacher in florida with a masters degree.

She ( as smart as she is) never bothered to learn about her own land mass.
 
Jarod said:
No prob regarding the "yelling", I was wrong. The effects of this storm, with 90 mph winds, were much worse than the two we had with 120 MPH winds. I guess our building codes are designed with this in mind. The trees are another factor, but we do have trees here in Florida. We also dont build on low ground, we build it up first.
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Another factor is the 'wave shadow' that the Bahamas chain creates in many storms, which coastal areas farther north do not benefit from.
 
Florida's soil is mainly sand and drains quickly, while farther up the coast clay predominates, and drains slowly.
 
evince said:
the make up of your state is why you have things like alligators.

The reason they will only remove an alligator once its a certain size is becuase it wiould be fruitless to remove the smaller ones which travel from pond to pond through these underground rivers.


I had to explain this to my sister who is a republican teacher in florida with a masters degree.

She ( as smart as she is) never bothered to learn about her own land mass.
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It is too bad you gave her wrong information you fucking ignoramus. The reason they remove alligators of a certain size is because once they get to a certain size they get very territorial and are much more dangerous.

Seriously, with the advent of the internet there is no reason for you to be this fucking stupid.
 
Florida is flat has scrubby brush and is not forested in the same way it is here in the east. The soil is sand and as has been explained underground florida is completely different than here. Houses here are built well...ours is made of stone and was one of the first built in PA...it's a very old house and has weathered many storms but we are warming the climate and changing the weather. The storms as well as droughts will get more intense and more frequent...we need to shut down our old nuke plants and invest in alternative energy...there are many possibilities across the country and none of them have to cause quakes or poison the ground and water.

We came through fine, as far as I can see from my windows. It's still raining but the wind has passed. We had some breakage of tree limbs (dead wood) but otherwise it's messy but unflooded. Our efforts to change the water flow worked! We have no trees down and without getting out and walking around from what I can see at least one of the Heron trees is still standing...I suspect the others are as well. I'm really glad we didn't get the heavy wet snow. The stream is over it's banks and there is water moving and standing in the horses pasture...but nothing unusual in terms of area...whew, I'm glad that's over.

Now I can catch up with the rest of the east coast...I see NJ and NY are without power and have sustained a lot of damage...anyone know how Philly did?
 
Haiku said:
Florida is flat has scrubby brush and is not forested in the same way it is here in the east. The soil is sand and as has been explained underground florida is completely different than here. Houses here are built well...ours is made of stone and was one of the first built in PA...it's a very old house and has weathered many storms but we are warming the climate and changing the weather. The storms as well as droughts will get more intense and more frequent...we need to shut down our old nuke plants and invest in alternative energy...there are many possibilities across the country and none of them have to cause quakes or poison the ground and water.

We came through fine, as far as I can see from my windows. It's still raining but the wind has passed. We had some breakage of tree limbs (dead wood) but otherwise it's messy but unflooded. Our efforts to change the water flow worked! We have no trees down and without getting out and walking around from what I can see at least one of the Heron trees is still standing...I suspect the others are as well. I'm really glad we didn't get the heavy wet snow. The stream is over it's banks and there is water moving and standing in the horses pasture...but nothing unusual in terms of area...whew, I'm glad that's over.

Now I can catch up with the rest of the east coast...I see NJ and NY are without power and have sustained a lot of damage...anyone know how Philly did?
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Glad to see you made it through okay!
 
Haiku said:
Florida is flat has scrubby brush and is not forested in the same way it is here in the east. The soil is sand and as has been explained underground florida is completely different than here. Houses here are built well...ours is made of stone and was one of the first built in PA...it's a very old house and has weathered many storms but we are warming the climate and changing the weather. The storms as well as droughts will get more intense and more frequent...we need to shut down our old nuke plants and invest in alternative energy...there are many possibilities across the country and none of them have to cause quakes or poison the ground and water.

We came through fine, as far as I can see from my windows. It's still raining but the wind has passed. We had some breakage of tree limbs (dead wood) but otherwise it's messy but unflooded. Our efforts to change the water flow worked! We have no trees down and without getting out and walking around from what I can see at least one of the Heron trees is still standing...I suspect the others are as well. I'm really glad we didn't get the heavy wet snow. The stream is over it's banks and there is water moving and standing in the horses pasture...but nothing unusual in terms of area...whew, I'm glad that's over.

Now I can catch up with the rest of the east coast...I see NJ and NY are without power and have sustained a lot of damage...anyone know how Philly did?
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Glad to see everything is generally okay. Sending out good thoughts to you.
 
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