GOP's Benghazi Smoking Gun Goes Up in Smoke

Are you sure they were not marines today? The proof came from your own source. You are too stupid to keep any of it stratight.

It's not even up for debate that Smith was dead within the first hour. Stevens went missing in the first hour and was never seen alive again. Any rational person would conclude he was likely dead.

Whether they were Marines, SEALS, former SEALS, or CIA operatives, Glenn Doherty and Tyrone Woods did not go defend a consulate with a dead Ambassador inside. And YES, it IS up for debate as to when exactly Smith died. Any RATIONAL person would not be making the wild assumptions that you are making. But I understand, Stringy, you have to do everything you can to defend Obama, who you are too ashamed to admit you are planning to vote for.
 
We dont have the power to enforce the lesson.


All is not as it seems.


You make the best decision you can make at every step in life.

Very few of those choices involve a perfect choice

If we don't have that power then democracy is a farce.

All is as it seems .. we simply don't have the courage to do anything about it.

We are exactly as weak as we seem.
 
there are reasons Ike warned of a military industrial complex.

As far as I can tell, Ike would be written off as a "mass murderer" by bac. Maybe, the fuzzy bits of time would have absolved Ike. But that is bac's take on Powell, who is certainly worthy of some blame, especially for his lies to the UN, but otherwise has supported a judicious use of military force throughout his career.

In bac's warped mind you are either Jesus Christ or you are the Devil. There is no grey area or any room for talk of being only one person struggling to make a difference within a bigger system and against competing forces. This is why he tends to prefer those who concentrate power in their own hands and dictators like Chavez, Quaddafi, the Castros, Hussein and probably even the leaders of North Korea.

Many on the right, Obama supporters and even libertarians do the same thing. All this dark conspiracy stuff is just bullshit and only compelling to nutjobs who are looking for the Devil. There is nothing to establish that the choices made after the initial attack were wrong. Shit happens. I don't need to criticize the administrations motives or go in and second guess how they handled the mess after the fact. I am satisifed that Obama is not some villainous murderer and that he was doing the best he could based on the information he had.

Obama SHOULD be criticized for going into Libya without consulting Congress. But Metoo Romney and the supporters of the imperial Presidency on the right are not going to do it. I understand why he went around McCain and the nutjobs in Congress. He should not have done it. Sorry, for the freedom fighters in Libya but we should not be turning our democracy into a dictatorship based on some outside hope that they might establish a democracy. I don't need to lie about how great Quaddafi and Hussein were either. They were assholes.

I support cumbersome and slow to act democracy, especially when it comes to whether we engage in military action in the first place. Once you are in it, it's stupid for us or Congress to second guess the professionals. We have turned war into an entertainment industry where dumbfucks imagine how they would have aligned all their military pieces to pull off these perfect engagements without any mistakes. It's rather sickening and has nothing to do with anything of substance.
 
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The spec ops forces were 480 miles away. They could have been spun up and there within 2-3 hours.

Do some research on "NEO" ops, and see what you discover. The entire military immediately goes into rescue mode when an embassy or consulate is reported under attack, without orders from the White House. The one thing they require, is the POTUS to authorize entry into another country, and in this case, they were told to "stand down." Rumor has it, General Ham, G-1 Commander of AFRICOM was prepared to defy that order and continue with the NEO, and within 30 seconds of indicating this, was "relieved of his duties" by the second in command. This still has to be confirmed, but the fact is, the NEO ops are part of official military protocol in such cases, and are rehearsed vigorously. We had rescue units much less than 3 hrs away, if that is the case.
 
As far as I can tell, Ike would be written off as a "mass murderer" by bac. Maybe, the fuzzy bits of time would have absolved Ike. But that is bac's take on Powell, who is certainly worthy of some blame, especially for his lies to the UN, but otherwise has supported a judicious of military force throughout his career.

In bac's warped mind you are either Jesus Christ or you are the Devil. There is no grey area or any room for talk of being only one person struggling to make a difference within a bigger system and against competing forces. This is why he tends to prefer those who concentrate power in their own hands and dictators like Chavez, Quaddafi, the Castros, Hussein and probably even the leaders of North Korea.

Many on the right, Obama supporters and even libertarians do the same thing. All this dark conspiracy stuff is just bullshit and only compelling to nutjobs who are looking for the Devil. There is nothing to establish that the choices made after the initial attack were wrong. Shit happens. I don't need to criticize the administrations motives or go in and second guess how they handled the mess after the fact. I am satisifed that Obama is not some villainous murderer and that he was doing the best he could based on the information he had.

Obama SHOULD be criticized for going into Libya without consulting Congress. But Metoo Romney and the supporters of the imperial Presidency on the right are not going to do it. I understand why he went around McCain and the nutjobs in Congress. He should not have done it. Sorry, for the freedom fighters in Libya but we should not be turning our democracy into a dictatorship based on some outside hope that they might establish a democracy. I don't need to lie about how great Quaddafi and Hussein were either. They were assholes.

I support cumbersome and slow to act democracy, especially when it comes to whether we engage in military action in the first place. Once you are in it, it's stupid for us or Congress to second guess the professionals. We have turned war into an entertainment industry where dumbfucks imagine how they would have aligned all their military pieces to pull off these perfect engagements without any mistakes. It's rather sickening and has nothing to do with anything of substance.

What a pussy you are.

Can't address me directly .. run like a sissy to talk about me with someone else.

What a pussy.
 
AGAIN MORON... as I stated, I AGREE that sending the military in would not have helped Smith and Stevens. But it WOULD have helped Woods and Doherty. The spec ops teams could have been there prior to the mortar attacks.

AGAIN MORON... WHY can't you address THAT fact?

AGAIN MORON... pretending that because there was a lull in the fighting meant that there was no need to send in additional support is nothing short of ludicrous.

Yes, until they received an all clear, they should indeed have had fighter cover until it was over. No matter how much you want to pretend that 'everything appeared under control' (which is a complete fabrication on your part)

No moron, my 'claim' is based on FACT. The spec ops forces were 480 miles away. They could have been spun up and there within 2-3 hours. That is a FACT. Not opinion. What is bullshit is your saying that if they had made it, it 'may have only increased our casualties'... talk about bullshit spin based on nothing.

If you would stop repeating the same questions over and over and over again, I would try to avoid calling you a moron. If your going to be a pig headed moron then I will call you one.

AGAIN, Woods and Doherty were killed many hours after the intial attack. From the accounts presented, it did appear that all was clear during that period. There special ops trying to reach the area. They did not get their in time because it is not as easy as you and Chuck Norris seem to think. Even if they had there is no gurantee that Woods and Doherty would have survived and it is quite possible that our casualties would have been greater.

I already said all this. For you to continue to pretend I have not is just trolling.
 
You want me to address you personally bac. You are nothing but a hater who tears down people that are far better than you becasue they have tried and came up somewhere short of perfection. You are a loser.
 
I already attacked the information, what little you offered that could be sourced. The rest you pulled off of some whacko left wing site and it is not of any value.
 
You want me to address you personally bac. You are nothing but a hater who tears down people that are far better than you becasue they have tried and came up somewhere short of perfection. You are a loser.

You don't have to say shit bitch.

I'm doing just fine calling out your ignorant ass all by myself .. and you doing a really good job of proving yourself to be a bitch all by yourself.

Got a brain .. attempt to challenge the information rather than proving yourself to be a bitch.
 
And let's be clear you lying sack of ... I did not attack your avatar. I said you base your argument on it. It's a part of a bigger thread for you. Use shit that can't be verified or attacked as support.
 
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You want me to address you personally bac. You are nothing but a hater who tears down people that are far better than you becasue they have tried and came up somewhere short of perfection. You are a loser.

AND THIS :

There is no grey area or any room for talk of being only one person struggling to make a difference within a bigger system and against competing forces. This is why he tends to prefer those who concentrate power in their own hands

coming from Rocketman is epically ludicrous.....

He does exactly what he accuses others of....its the typical MO of the left on this board....lol
 
You don't have to say shit bitch.

I'm doing just fine calling out your ignorant ass all by myself .. and you doing a really good job of proving yourself to be a bitch all by yourself.

Got a brain .. attempt to challenge the information rather than proving yourself to be a bitch.

I did. Rice did not make any definitive statements.

Your other claims are just a bunch of hot air that you cannot support with anything more than name calling.

You love dictators and imagine that if you were made one the world could be perfect. But nobody is ever going let you do that, so you can either get in line and try to help or you can get in the way.
 
Oh really?

Explain the videos I posted.

What is there to explain? Quadaffi had supporters. No shit! Really? Both Obama and Romney do too. Even the guys that lost in the primaries can draw a crowd. Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck. That does not mean that every one loves any of them or they don't face real opposition.
 
I did. Rice did not make any definitive statements.

Your other claims are just a bunch of hot air that you cannot support with anything more than name calling.

You love dictators and imagine that if you were made one the world could be perfect. But nobody is ever going let you do that, so you can either get in line and try to help or you can get in the way.

ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE.

Your ignorant ass came back with some bullshit that has absolutely nothing to do with Susan Rice, Condolessa Rice, or Rice-A-Roni.

Then your really dumb ass jumped right into 'hot air' and I love dictators.

The videos CLEARLY demonstrate the Libyan people standing with Gaddafi and against NATO bombing .. and they demonstrate why they stood with him.

Is there anyone surprised why this bitch runs from me and undeniable truth?

Keep in mind that you started this you idiot fuck. I'm going to finish it.

The videos CLEARLY demonstrated that millions of Libyans stood against NATO bombing and the imperialist overthrow of Gaddafi.
 
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coming from Rocketman is epically ludicrous.....

He does exactly what he accuses others of....its the typical MO of the left on this board....lol

Yeah, I am not on the left and you can't point to one single example of your claim. Let's review some of my positions over the last many years...

Afghanistan War... opposed because there was no real declaration of war.
Iraq War... same as above and no reason to fight it, i.e., I would have opposed a declaration of war.
Libyan Action... at the least there should have been some congressional approval

So according to brava, consistent support of the democratic institutions of our government is somehow dictatorial.
 
What is there to explain? Quadaffi had supporters. No shit! Really? Both Obama and Romney do too. Even the guys that lost in the primaries can draw a crowd. Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck. That does not mean that every one loves any of them or they don't face real opposition.

The opposition was Al Queda and terrorists from Benghazi you fucking clueless clown.

Where did the 'rebels' come from?

Where did the 'uprising' start?

Where is the world's hotbed for terrorism according to most reliable sources INCLUDING the West Point Center on Terrorism?

All of this goes right over the heads of morons.
 
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