Will Alabama Uphold Segregation?

No tax would be increased by removing the language. That is a lie or just another innacuracy.

The removal of the language itself would not result in a tax increase. But apparently the bill includes numerous other items that would increase taxes or would have a detrimental effect on the people of the state. Since the segregationist language has no effect on life in Alabama, there is no need to accept the other bad pieces of the bill in order to pass a bill that does nothing.
 
Has EVERYTHING to do with establishing the Constitutional basis for levying or not levying a school tax at the state level. Has NOTHING to do with the language which is now obsolete and irrelevant.

Bullshit. The segregation language was added with the language that denied a Constitutional right to an education. Again, catch up with the op. I am waiting.
 
But right now the sons of Alabama are dishonest, lying, racist tards. That was a key part of 3d's point.

All of us? Every single male born in Alabama is a dishonest, lying, racist tard? I must bow to your ability to get to know every man from Alabama. I'm 52 and have been living there most of my life and can't claim to know more than a few thousand well enough to speak to their nature like that. It must have been the years I have spent travelling for my job that kept me from knowing us all, like you do.
 
I have lived in the south most of my life. I have travelled all over the country, but prefer the southeast. That I have not offered any evidence of Alabama's progressive side does not mean it does not exist. I simply learned not to try and argue with those so ignorant as to believe the stereotypes of southern culture.

If you choose to believe the stereotypes that will be your own problem.

They are progressive like the National Socialists were. That is, they are progressive towards white people.
 
I have lived in the south most of my life. I have travelled all over the country, but prefer the southeast. That I have not offered any evidence of Alabama's progressive side does not mean it does not exist. I simply learned not to try and argue with those so ignorant as to believe the stereotypes of southern culture. If you choose to believe the stereotypes that will be your own problem.

If you fail to present any facts to dispel the stereotypes that will be your own problem.
 
The removal of the language itself would not result in a tax increase. But apparently the bill includes numerous other items that would increase taxes or would have a detrimental effect on the people of the state. Since the segregationist language has no effect on life in Alabama, there is no need to accept the other bad pieces of the bill in order to pass a bill that does nothing.

I don't believe you are right. Do you have any proof or are you just going on what Dixie has claimed. That would be a dangerous thing to do as the man shows no integrity or concern for the truth. He once again went into knee jerk mode, shoved his foot into his mouth as hard as possible, is now in the process of trying to back his way out and is at about shin level. He's actually showing signs of improvement as he made several of the corrections before I had to rub his nose in his many mistakes again.

Referendums usually attempt to stick to single issues. This one seems to and the opposition is not about any tax increase. The opposition is about the fact that they are attempting to replace the section by restating some of the language that was added by the racists in response to desegregation.

The way to shed the negative perception over the past is not by providing cover for racists.
 
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I don't believe you are right. Do you have any proof or are you just going on what Dixie has claimed. That would be a dangerous thing to do as the man shows no integrity or concern for the truth. He once again went into knee jerk mode, shoved his foot into his mouth as hard as possible, is now in the process of trying to back his way out and is at about shin level. He's actually showing signs of improvement as he made several of the corrections before I had to rub his nose in his many mistakes again.

Referendums usually attempt to stick to single issues. This one seems to and the opposition is not about any tax increase. The opposition is about the fact that they are attempting to replace the section by restating some of the language that was added by the racists in response to desegregation.

They way to shed the negative perception over the past is not by providing cover for racists.

I have read more than one article on this bill, but didn't the one posted say blacks were opposed to it as well?

And if the segregation issue has been remedied, does ammending the state constitution yet again, actually do anything?
 
Oh, so not progressive towards anyone but white people?

They are all for welfare and state support of white people. They don't want government services to benefit minorities and will hide behind free market arguments to do it. As a TRUE advocate of free markets I refuse to provide cover for the racists. Their position has NOTHING to do with avoiding taxes. It is about keeping schools at uneven levels of public support.
 
Nice cop-out.

Not a cop-out at all. What stereotypes do you know of that are actually accurate? If you want to buy into the bullshit, go ahead. I have argued against the stereotypes numerous times on this forum. I have posted facts and figures about the south. It changed nothing. So I am no longer wasting my time on it.
 
Not a cop-out at all. What stereotypes do you know of that are actually accurate? If you want to buy into the bullshit, go ahead. I have argued against the stereotypes numerous times on this forum. I have posted facts and figures about the south. It changed nothing. So I am no longer wasting my time on it.

So the fact that you failed (like your Confederate forebears) means you surrendered (like your Confederate forebears)?
 
I have read more than one article on this bill, but didn't the one posted say blacks were opposed to it as well?

And if the segregation issue has been remedied, does ammending the state constitution yet again, actually do anything?

As I pointed out in the OP Republicans in Alabama are not approaching this in an honest manner. They are trying to keep part of the language that was intended to thwart desegregation.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_Segregation_Reference_Ban_Amendment,_Amendment_4_(2012)

In an e-mail to Ballotpedia, Charles Miller of the Secular Coalition for Alabama spoke for his group and stated opposition to the amendment, saying, "The Secular Coalition for Alabama lobbied in opposition to SB112 because of provisions in the bill that are not included in the ballot language. Specifically, the proposed amendment removes the right to an education for Alabama's children: '..but nothing in this Constitution shall be construed as creating or recognizing any right to education or training at public expense..' To be clear, the no right to education "poison pill" language is a vestige of the Amendment that introduced the racist language in the first place. We want those provisions removed too, since they can still be used against children in Alabama and even to end public education."
 
So the fact that you failed (like your Confederate forebears) means you surrendered (like your Confederate forebears)?

My family came over just after the Civil War. And I have never been anything but glad the south lost that war.

But no, your analogy is wrong. I have simply stopped arguing with people foolish enough to believe stereotypes.

"stereotypenoun
Definition of STEREOTYPE
1: a plate cast from a printing surface
2: something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment "


So if you want to defend belief in stereotypes, by all means do so. I believe them to be signs of ignorance and hate.
 
I family came over just after the Civil War.

Just in time for Jim Crow and the founding of the Klan?

So if you want to defend belief in stereotypes, by all means do so. I believe them to be signs of ignorance and hate.

What you believe and what you can prove may be two different things.

Want me to post some more facts about the South?
 
Just in time for Jim Crow and the founding of the Klan?

Are you insinuating my family was involved in either?



What you believe and what you can prove may be two different things.

Want me to post some more facts about the South?

Having lived in the south most of my life, it is not my belief but my experience that tells me the stereotypes are a joke.

I am sure you can post plenty of facts showing the south in a bad light. The same can be said for any other place as well.
 
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Not a cop-out at all. What stereotypes do you know of that are actually accurate? If you want to buy into the bullshit, go ahead. I have argued against the stereotypes numerous times on this forum. I have posted facts and figures about the south. It changed nothing. So I am no longer wasting my time on it.

Just in 2000 40% of your population supported keeping language that banned interracial marriage. Yes it is just symoblic and the symbol is clung to promote pride in racism.

Why not challenge the racists of your state instead of worrying about how others perceive them?
 
Are you insinuating my family was involved in either?

Did I say that?

By your own admission, wasn't their arrival in Dixie contemporaneous with Jim Crow and the founding of the KKK?

I drew no conclusions from that fact. Why would you?

Having lived in the south most of my life, it is not my belief but my experience that tells me the stereotypes are a joke.

Yet you have given up trying to refute facts about the South?

I am sure you can post plenty of facts showing the south in a bad light. The same can be said for any other place as well.

I can post plenty of facts.

Can you?
 
WB,

WTF do you think that flag is about? The flag waving (wrong one) scoundrels will claim otherwise, but it has NOTHING to do with state's rights and everything thing to do with them showing malicious pride in a racist past. Of course, it is a silly issue but the haters rely on the apathy of better people to win. You might not feel the need to go out and work against them, but you should at least quit apologizing for those aholes.
 
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