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SmarterthanYou said:
with that in mind, how can you mock others that can survive on their own in off environments?
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Just because I currently rely on the supermarket doesn't mean that I couldn't adapt if supermarkets disappeared tomorrow. I could and would - without killing and/or eating animals. I don't need anyone's justifications for why they choose to kill and eat animals; apparently they need to justify it, though. I wonder why that is?
 
Bijou said:
Nope. Mine's pretty small, and I buy organically and locally grown produce, eat lots of pasta, potatoes, rice, grains, etc. And yeah, it keeps you slim.
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Well again, before you go getting holyier than though. Plants are sentient too. Be that as it may, as I said, if the killing to harvest food aspect bothers you then I suggest you try hunting with a camera. It takes pretty much the same skill set and it's certainly not easy and you get the same sort of primal connectedness that you do from hunting prey with a weapon. It may change your perspecitve by a small degree.

In a way your point of view saddens me. Not from any moral or ethical stand point but that so many of our people have lost sight of the relationship that people used to have with their food and the hands on manner in which it was harvested, including hunting and prepared or preserved. Now it's just taken for granted you can drop by the Piggle Wiggly, where you can get your hygiencially packaged, open range, fertilizer free, organic produce with out ever getting your hands dirty. There's just something about that which really, really makes me sad.
 
Bijou said:
Just because I currently rely on the supermarket doesn't mean that I couldn't adapt if supermarkets disappeared tomorrow. I could and would - without killing and/or eating animals. I don't need anyone's justifications for why they choose to kill and eat animals; apparently they need to justify it, though. I wonder why that is?
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They're not. They're saying "Mmmmm Ribeye Steak!" :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well again, before you go getting holyier than though. Plants are sentient too. Be that as it may, as I said, if the killing to harvest food aspect bothers you then I suggest you try hunting with a camera. It takes pretty much the same skill set and it's certainly not easy and you get the same sort of primal connectedness that you do from hunting prey with a weapon. It may change your perspecitve by a small degree.

In a way your point of view saddens me. Not from any moral or ethical stand point but that so many of our people have lost sight of the relationship that people used to have with their food and the hands on manner in which it was harvested, including hunting and prepared or preserved. Now it's just taken for granted you can drop by the Piggle Wiggly, where you can get your hygiencially packaged, open range, fertilizer free, organic produce with out ever getting your hands dirty. There's just something about that which really, really makes me sad.
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Save your 'plants are sentient' crap. I've heard it all and no, they're not sentient. That's a horseshit argument posed by defensive meat eaters. Yawn.
 
Bijou said:
Just because I currently rely on the supermarket doesn't mean that I couldn't adapt if supermarkets disappeared tomorrow. I could and would - without killing and/or eating animals. I don't need anyone's justifications for why they choose to kill and eat animals; apparently they need to justify it, though. I wonder why that is?
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If all the supermarkets vanished, you would go to the nearest Obama distribution center waiting for the government to take care of you. Oh, and by the way...

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Aoxomoxoa said:
Vegans and veggies are not very bright. They effectively killed the veal trade in the UK by stopping the humane farming of pink veal along with the cruel white veal which was only produced in Europe mainly Holland. Of course now you have the situation where male calves are shot at birth and their carcasses just rendered down rather than being used to provide premium quality meat.
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Eat British veal with a clear conscience, says RSPCA

Animal-rights groups have been campaigning to get it off the menu for decades, but now, in an abrupt U-turn, they are clamouring for veal to come back to British dining tables.The RSPCA and Compassion in World Farming (CIWF) are trying to redeem the meat in the eyes of UK consumers – most of whom now view veal as the ultimate ethical no-no. "Veal shouldn't be a dirty word," said Rowen West-Henzell, food business manager for CIWF. "There is a process of re-education that needs to occur. British rose veal is something we are happy to endorse."

High-welfare veal is known as rose veal, as calves are not fed the restricted, low-iron diet that is needed to produce the traditional white veal meat.
Veal – which comes from the meat of calves between six and eight months old – is widely eaten in the Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy, but currently has a limited market in the UK. "Over the next year we will be promoting the consumption of rose veal as a way of dealing with the problem of wasted bull calves," said Ms West- Henzell.

Last year around 260,000 young, male dairy calves were condemned as "waste products" in the UK, as they don't produce milk and are rarely used for beef due to their low muscle tone. These animals are either shot at birth or exported to the Continent. "Eating British veal would be great for our farmers," said Gwyn Jones, the chairman of the National Farmers' Union Dairy Board. "No farmers want to export bull calves, but there has to be a market for veal here."

Marks & Spencer has this month launched a range of rose-veal steaks, ribs and burgers, with meat provided by bull calves from its existing dairy herd. CIWF and the RSPCA are trying to encourage retailers that don't stock veal – such as Asda, Morrisons and the Co-op – and restaurateurs to follow suit. "At the moment the UK has a small market for veal, but the more restaurants use it, the more people will eat it, and then farmers will rear the cattle," said Calie Woozley, a spokeswoman for the RSPCA.

"All those terrible pictures of calves being transported in veal crates are firmly etched on people's minds – it is hard to change that. Veal gets lumped in with foie gras as something untouchable, and we need to educate people that this isn't the case – British veal is OK," she added. British veal was recently brought to the public attention on the Channel 4 show The F Word, in which the journalist Janet Street-Porter raised veal calves as part of her attempt to encourage people to eat more British veal.

However, the RSPCA and CIWF have been criticised by fellow animal-rights groups Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) and Viva! (Vegetarians International Voice for Animals). "While the plan is well-intentioned, the answer to saving calves from long-distance transport, confinement in cruel, tiny crates, and slaughter soon after birth doesn't lie in encouraging consumers to eat more British meat," said a Peta spokesperson. "Anyone who is concerned about the welfare of veal calves should dump dairy and go vegan."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ith-a-clear-conscience-says-rspca-899778.html
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Eat British veal with a clear conscience, says RSPCA

Animal-rights groups have been campaigning to get it off the menu for decades, but now, in an abrupt U-turn, they are clamouring for veal to come back to British dining tables.The RSPCA and Compassion in World Farming (CIWF) are trying to redeem the meat in the eyes of UK consumers – most of whom now view veal as the ultimate ethical no-no. "Veal shouldn't be a dirty word," said Rowen West-Henzell, food business manager for CIWF. "There is a process of re-education that needs to occur. British rose veal is something we are happy to endorse."

High-welfare veal is known as rose veal, as calves are not fed the restricted, low-iron diet that is needed to produce the traditional white veal meat.
Veal – which comes from the meat of calves between six and eight months old – is widely eaten in the Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy, but currently has a limited market in the UK. "Over the next year we will be promoting the consumption of rose veal as a way of dealing with the problem of wasted bull calves," said Ms West- Henzell.

Last year around 260,000 young, male dairy calves were condemned as "waste products" in the UK, as they don't produce milk and are rarely used for beef due to their low muscle tone. These animals are either shot at birth or exported to the Continent. "Eating British veal would be great for our farmers," said Gwyn Jones, the chairman of the National Farmers' Union Dairy Board. "No farmers want to export bull calves, but there has to be a market for veal here."

Marks & Spencer has this month launched a range of rose-veal steaks, ribs and burgers, with meat provided by bull calves from its existing dairy herd. CIWF and the RSPCA are trying to encourage retailers that don't stock veal – such as Asda, Morrisons and the Co-op – and restaurateurs to follow suit. "At the moment the UK has a small market for veal, but the more restaurants use it, the more people will eat it, and then farmers will rear the cattle," said Calie Woozley, a spokeswoman for the RSPCA.

"All those terrible pictures of calves being transported in veal crates are firmly etched on people's minds – it is hard to change that. Veal gets lumped in with foie gras as something untouchable, and we need to educate people that this isn't the case – British veal is OK," she added. British veal was recently brought to the public attention on the Channel 4 show The F Word, in which the journalist Janet Street-Porter raised veal calves as part of her attempt to encourage people to eat more British veal.

However, the RSPCA and CIWF have been criticised by fellow animal-rights groups Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) and Viva! (Vegetarians International Voice for Animals). "While the plan is well-intentioned, the answer to saving calves from long-distance transport, confinement in cruel, tiny crates, and slaughter soon after birth doesn't lie in encouraging consumers to eat more British meat," said a Peta spokesperson. "Anyone who is concerned about the welfare of veal calves should dump dairy and go vegan."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ith-a-clear-conscience-says-rspca-899778.html
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Good for you - keep eating veal. It causes colon cancer. :)
 
Bijou said:
Get over yourself. We aren't talking about tools. We were talking about weapons. But back to the topic...

Be sure to watch Ted's show. He's an alpha wanna-be, too and he probably gets throbbing erections just by looking at his guns just like you do. Cool!


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A weapon is simply a specialized tool. Just like what the prehistoric people used to feed themselves. The only natural weapons we possess are our intellect and our ability to sweat and cool off efficiently.
 
Arab Spring said:
Are you suggesting you've done anything but that? 8 pages of this thread is you saying "I'm right and you're wrong, and that's the end of the discussion". Why the fuck I ever took you of my Ignore List, I have no idea. You're a terrible human being and I wish nothing but misery and suffering upon you and all who you love.
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She demeans hunters and hunting, and when I bring up that hunters are the only population control for many species or that the monies they spend on their equipment and licences pay for much of the state conservation efforts, she either tells me to start another thread or tries her passive aggressive nonsense.

The level of debate has sunk considerably.
 
Bijou said:
Just because I currently rely on the supermarket doesn't mean that I couldn't adapt if supermarkets disappeared tomorrow. I could and would - without killing and/or eating animals.
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you would end up starving to death, or stealing and killing people to survive.

Bijou said:
I don't need anyone's justifications for why they choose to kill and eat animals; apparently they need to justify it, though. I wonder why that is?
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you tend to get answers when you ask questions about why people hunt. that's just how discussion works.
 
Bijou said:
Just because I currently rely on the supermarket doesn't mean that I couldn't adapt if supermarkets disappeared tomorrow. I could and would - without killing and/or eating animals. I don't need anyone's justifications for why they choose to kill and eat animals; apparently they need to justify it, though. I wonder why that is?
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I don't think it is justification as much as correcting your misconceptions about hunting.

And when you chastise your buddies for eating meat from the supermarket as much as you chastise hunters, your statements will be more believeable.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you would end up starving to death, or stealing and killing people to survive.

you tend to get answers when you ask questions about why people hunt. that's just how discussion works.
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I didn't ask why anyone hunts, Oath-man. I already know why they do: they like killing animals.
 
WinterBorn said:
I don't think it is justification as much as correcting your misconceptions about hunting.

And when you chastise your buddies for eating meat from the supermarket as much as you chastise hunters, your statements will be more believeable.
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I don't chastise my buddies for eating meat, either hunted or store-bought. And whether or not I'm 'believable' to you is of zero concern to me.
 
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