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[Lowaicue]

Islam is a religion of peace.
I know quite a lot of Muslims from maids to business leaders and they are, as far as I can tell, decent peaceful people.


BUT


According to Pew
82% of Pakistan's muslims support the stoning of adulterers. Peace to you all.
76% support the death penalty for apostacy. In the name of allah.
85% support gender segregation by law in the workplace.

and a government minister has offered $100,000 for the head of the person who made that silly little movie.

You have to admire a people who, with that evidence, still argue that they are peaceful and that Mohammed preached peace and harmony.

Now, here's the killer.
The US has given $2840.6 million in aid to this gaggle of goonies since 2009 and continues to give. And when a bill went before congress to reduce aid to Pakistan it was defeated.

The bill (S3576) was defeated by 81 to 10 votes. Introduced by Senator Rand Paul, the bill also called for cutting all US aid to Libya and Egypt till those who were responsible for the attacks on American missions in the two countries were arrested and handed over to the US.

And dont think it is only the US, the UK is 'proud' to be giving Pakistan millions. In 2010 and 2011 the UK gave GBP200 million per year! 200 million quid to rebuild a failed state when Pakistan's own people wreck buildings, deny education, preach war and violence.

Are we really this crazy?

 

[Haiku]

Insanity on all counts!! I'm thinking about buying Salaman Rushdi's new book about his experiences.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Disillusioned]

Islam is also the only religion with racial acceptance as a part of its creed and a devotion to knowledge and the pursuit of same. People focus on the intractable parts of islam and poke at them, then get angry. Don't notice many flat earthers in Islam, nor many evolution v creatiocrap arguments, don't see many racism debates either.

Too many people take pleasure from poking islam where it's sensitive, and seriously guys, what's with this "Mohammed is a pervert" stuff? You expect them not to get angry when you call their holiest prophet a child molestor? What kind of world do you live in?

 

[Lowaicue]

Islam is also the only religion with racial acceptance as a part of its creed and a devotion to knowledge and the pursuit of same. People focus on the intractable parts of islam and poke at them, then get angry. Don't notice many flat earthers in Islam, nor many evolution v creatiocrap arguments, don't see many racism debates either.

Too many people take pleasure from poking islam where it's sensitive, and seriously guys, what's with this "Mohammed is a pervert" stuff? You expect them not to get angry when you call their holiest prophet a child molestor? What kind of world do you live in?

My point is not really about Islam. Islam is simply another faith based upon nothing tangible, like Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism etc etc. All conciously designed to prevent knowledge.
The point I was trying to make was in the hypocrisy of Pakistan (whether it is Islamic or something else) and the amount of money that the west donates to a society that despises us.
Pews stats happen to highlight Islam but in fact it is about Pakistan.

 

[Don Quixote]

Islam is a religion of peace.
I know quite a lot of Muslims from maids to business leaders and they are, as far as I can tell, decent peaceful people.


BUT


According to Pew
82% of Pakistan's muslims support the stoning of adulterers. Peace to you all.
76% support the death penalty for apostacy. In the name of allah.
85% support gender segregation by law in the workplace.

and a government minister has offered $100,000 for the head of the person who made that silly little movie.

You have to admire a people who, with that evidence, still argue that they are peaceful and that Mohammed preached peace and harmony.

Now, here's the killer.
The US has given $2840.6 million in aid to this gaggle of goonies since 2009 and continues to give. And when a bill went before congress to reduce aid to Pakistan it was defeated.

The bill (S3576) was defeated by 81 to 10 votes. Introduced by Senator Rand Paul, the bill also called for cutting all US aid to Libya and Egypt till those who were responsible for the attacks on American missions in the two countries were arrested and handed over to the US.

And dont think it is only the US, the UK is 'proud' to be giving Pakistan millions. In 2010 and 2011 the UK gave GBP200 million per year! 200 million quid to rebuild a failed state when Pakistan's own people wreck buildings, deny education, preach war and violence.

Are we really this crazy?

yes, however, have you noticed how the media is mostly ignoring counter protests in favor of the us in the me

also, i worked with a muslim man who was a quite decent sort and did not want to live in a nation that was ruled by sharia or muslim law

 

[Don Quixote]

My point is not really about Islam. Islam is simply another faith based upon nothing tangible, like Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism etc etc. All conciously designed to prevent knowledge.
The point I was trying to make was in the hypocrisy of Pakistan (whether it is Islamic or something else) and the amount of money that the west donates to a society that despises us.
Pews stats happen to highlight Islam but in fact it is about Pakistan.

it is not the followers of islam per se that are the problem, it is the males in those areas that do not want change, because they run things and want it to stay that way

 

[Haiku]

Islam is also the only religion with racial acceptance as a part of its creed and a devotion to knowledge and the pursuit of same. People focus on the intractable parts of islam and poke at them, then get angry. Don't notice many flat earthers in Islam, nor many evolution v creatiocrap arguments, don't see many racism debates either.

Too many people take pleasure from poking islam where it's sensitive, and seriously guys, what's with this "Mohammed is a pervert" stuff? You expect them not to get angry when you call their holiest prophet a child molestor? What kind of world do you live in?

I have no argument with any religion that is able to live and let live but the fundamentalists in all religions are power hungry political animals that will use and abuse their 'followers' to achieve their goals. That includes all religions.

It has been explained that many in the middle east have no understanding of what it is like here in our country and their clerics use that to misinform and whip people up to a frenzy. They also haven't learned that you can disagree without murderous intent...something right wingers in this country have a problem with when it comes to abortion clinics and doctors and Muslims.

People are used by religion. They always have been.

 

[Don Quixote]

Islam is also the only religion with racial acceptance as a part of its creed and a devotion to knowledge and the pursuit of same. People focus on the intractable parts of islam and poke at them, then get angry. Don't notice many flat earthers in Islam, nor many evolution v creatiocrap arguments, don't see many racism debates either.

Too many people take pleasure from poking islam where it's sensitive, and seriously guys, what's with this "Mohammed is a pervert" stuff? You expect them not to get angry when you call their holiest prophet a child molestor? What kind of world do you live in?

perhaps it is because that he married very young girls

unfortunately, it was the custom at the time (and still is in some places) for a girl to marry as young as 9 years old although her husband was not supposed to have sex with her until she had her first period, although some a**holes did not wait

so, according to our standards, he was a pedophile

 

[Don Quixote]

I have no argument with any religion that is able to live and let live but the fundamentalists in all religions are power hungry political animals that will use and abuse their 'followers' to achieve their goals. That includes all religions.

It has been explained that many in the middle east have no understanding of what it is like here in our country and their clerics use that to misinform and whip people up to a frenzy. They also haven't learned that you can disagree without murderous intent...something right wingers in this country have a problem with when it comes to abortion clinics and doctors and Muslims.

People are used by religion. They always have been.

religion is first and foremost for the benefit of the priests, robert a heinlein

 

[wanderingbear]

The problem isnt Islam.The problem is with Arab men's attitude toward women.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Islam is also the only religion with racial acceptance as a part of its creed and a devotion to knowledge and the pursuit of same. People focus on the intractable parts of islam and poke at them, then get angry. Don't notice many flat earthers in Islam, nor many evolution v creatiocrap arguments, don't see many racism debates either.

Too many people take pleasure from poking islam where it's sensitive, and seriously guys, what's with this "Mohammed is a pervert" stuff? You expect them not to get angry when you call their holiest prophet a child molestor? What kind of world do you live in?

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[canceled.2021.1]

Islam is also the only religion with racial acceptance as a part of its creed and a devotion to knowledge and the pursuit of same. People focus on the intractable parts of islam and poke at them, then get angry. Don't notice many flat earthers in Islam, nor many evolution v creatiocrap arguments, don't see many racism debates either.

Too many people take pleasure from poking islam where it's sensitive, and seriously guys, what's with this "Mohammed is a pervert" stuff? You expect them not to get angry when you call their holiest prophet a child molestor? What kind of world do you live in?

Debates in islum? You can't be serious? I don't associate with muslimes and never will. Read the vile book of their pedophile prophet and after doing so will never trust their adherents.

Anyone who considers it a religion of peace is deluding themselves. Sure many aren't actively cutting off the heads of infidels but they support it.

Muslimes are like a cockroach infestation. It is best to deal with it early

 

[Lowaicue]

The problem isnt Islam.The problem is with Arab men's attitude toward women.

The problem is Pakistan. The problem is that we, the west, keep giving them millions and millions of dollars and never lay on the line that we will no longer tolerate their behaviour.
In other words the problem is Pakistan, the solution is to stop giving them money. Politicians have an agenda that is open only to conjecture.

 

[SpiritOf76]

Islam is a religion of peace.
I know quite a lot of Muslims from maids to business leaders and they are, as far as I can tell, decent peaceful people.


BUT


According to Pew
82% of Pakistan's muslims support the stoning of adulterers. Peace to you all.
76% support the death penalty for apostacy. In the name of allah.
85% support gender segregation by law in the workplace.

and a government minister has offered $100,000 for the head of the person who made that silly little movie.

You have to admire a people who, with that evidence, still argue that they are peaceful and that Mohammed preached peace and harmony.

Now, here's the killer.
The US has given $2840.6 million in aid to this gaggle of goonies since 2009 and continues to give. And when a bill went before congress to reduce aid to Pakistan it was defeated.

The bill (S3576) was defeated by 81 to 10 votes. Introduced by Senator Rand Paul, the bill also called for cutting all US aid to Libya and Egypt till those who were responsible for the attacks on American missions in the two countries were arrested and handed over to the US.

And dont think it is only the US, the UK is 'proud' to be giving Pakistan millions. In 2010 and 2011 the UK gave GBP200 million per year! 200 million quid to rebuild a failed state when Pakistan's own people wreck buildings, deny education, preach war and violence.

Are we really this crazy?

They have nuclear weapons. Should we just let their government be overthrown?

As for the radical nature of their faith, and I don't question that within Pakistan, show us some stats on a similiar question in Appalachia, the deep south or in some poor and backwards Christian nation.

 

[cancel2 2022]

The problem is Pakistan. The problem is that we, the west, keep giving them millions and millions of dollars and never lay on the line that we will no longer tolerate their behaviour.
In other words the problem is Pakistan, the solution is to stop giving them money. Politicians have an agenda that is open only to conjecture.

It is a nation of 170 million with nuclear weapons, you can't just ignore them. Anyway with Afghanistan nearly beating India at cricket and Pakistan being fanatical about the game maybe there is hope for that part of the world. Cricket is played by all in Aghanistan be they Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Aimak, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Arab, Brahu or Pamiri.

 

[Disillusioned]

perhaps it is because that he married very young girls

unfortunately, it was the custom at the time (and still is in some places) for a girl to marry as young as 9 years old although her husband was not supposed to have sex with her until she had her first period, although some a**holes did not wait

so, according to our standards, he was a pedophile

By those standards everyone is, check out those biblical marriages, or even read about medieval ones. If you wait to 20 to marry you die off before your first kid is born.

 

[Don Quixote]

The problem is Pakistan. The problem is that we, the west, keep giving them millions and millions of dollars and never lay on the line that we will no longer tolerate their behaviour.
In other words the problem is Pakistan, the solution is to stop giving them money. Politicians have an agenda that is open only to conjecture.

the problem is the afghan war

we have to bribe the pakis to let us supply our troops through their country

 

[anatta]

The problem is Pakistan. The problem is that we, the west, keep giving them millions and millions of dollars and never lay on the line that we will no longer tolerate their behaviour.
In other words the problem is Pakistan, the solution is to stop giving them money. Politicians have an agenda that is open only to conjecture.

right now you can't seperate Afg from Paki -why it;s called "AfPak".
Yes. giving them ISI bribe money just buys time for us to send tsupplies without having to use the Northern Route.
Paki closed their bordercrossing when the US shelled their 14 dead troops. A national day of mourning.

The US keeps trying to...gawd only knows...the strategic term is "counter-insurgency" other wise known as 'nationbuilding'
as opposed to 'counterterrorism' which became the policy of not building Afg Nat'l security (Poice/Army), but rather droning house for"militants"(anti -terrorists)
For our troubles we are getting killed at record pace by the Afgani's

Estimates are all over the place for "colateral damage' ( read: dead ppl innnocent killed), and this is America's longest war, with no end in sight.

Once we're finished clusterfucking central Asia, I imagine we'll screw around with Iran and China - always projection that "American Exceptionalism".
Condi Rice (of all ppl) gave a good speech about "American Exeptionalism" -she noted it's NOT simple hard power projection, it';s winning the economic wars.

The US is staggerring around in Libya/Afpak/Yemen/ - after the nothingness of Iraq-we better start paying attention to trade, and not power projection.
PAki isn't interested, and is now a l partner in China's SCO ( Shanghi Co-operation Society)

 

[Lowaicue]

It is a nation of 170 million with nuclear weapons, you can't just ignore them. Anyway with Afghanistan nearly beating India at cricket and Pakistan being fanatical about the game maybe there is hope for that part of the world. Cricket is played by all in Aghanistan be they Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Aimak, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Arab, Brahu or Pamiri.

You have forced me to look something up. I don't like doing that. What one then says is not an opinion and this is a place of opinions.
Pakistan was given 'Test' status in 1952. Can you point to anything in Pakistan society or governance that has improved since 1952? How long must one hope?
By giving them money, I will not call it 'aid', we are simply lining the pockets of a few powerful people who tenuously hold onto power and the control of their nuclear weapons. Stop giving them money. Pull out of Afghanistan immediately without regard for wasted diplomacy and let them sort themselves out. If they cause a war they know they will lose no matter whose support they may think they have.
The time is past when our presence (the west) was an automatic force for good.

 

[Don Quixote]

You have forced me to look something up. I don't like doing that. What one then says is not an opinion and this is a place of opinions.
Pakistan was given 'Test' status in 1952. Can you point to anything in Pakistan society or governance that has improved since 1952? How long must one hope?
By giving them money, I will not call it 'aid', we are simply lining the pockets of a few powerful people who tenuously hold onto power and the control of their nuclear weapons. Stop giving them money. Pull out of Afghanistan immediately without regard for wasted diplomacy and let them sort themselves out. If they cause a war they know they will lose no matter whose support they may think they have.
The time is past when our presence (the west) was an automatic force for good.

and if by withdrawing the aid/bribes terrorists get their hands on nuclear materials/weapons and use them against us...