Why Rommney/Ryan are losing

[Mott the Hoople]

So far the Romney Republican campaign has alienated blacks, latinos, women, gay & lesbians, college students/youths. By embracing a strategy to exclusively attract angry middle aged white men Republicans are aggresively alienating everyone else. If they were more inclusive and with the struggling economy Obama should be in deep trouble but because of this short sightedness they are losing.

Any Blacks, Latinos, Women, Gays/Lesbian or college students here who care to contradict this observation?

 

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So far the Romney Republican campaign has alienated blacks, latinos, women, gay & lesbians, college students/youths. By embracing a strategy to exclusively attract angry middle aged white men Republicans are aggresively alienating everyone else. If they were more inclusive and with the struggling economy Obama should be in deep trouble but because of this short sightedness they are losing.

Any Blacks, Latinos, Women, Gays/Lesbian or college students here who care to contradict this observation?

How do you suggest they be more "inclusive"? Please enlighten us poor rubes

 

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Even the rabid righties didn't want him. I wonder how many will throw their vote to a fringe candidate.

Romney promises that he will cut the top tax rates below the current levels; make the cuts revenue neutral by closing loopholes; further enhance the treatment of capital gains; and not raise taxes on the middle class.


An independent analysis demonstrated that the first three were possible only if taxes went up for the middle class.


Consider the country’s fiscal situation.


Romney says he will change the tax policies as outlined above while expanding defense spending and protecting Medicare and Social Security, and still balance the budget.


It is impossible.


Medicare is another good example.


Romney said he endorses Ryan’s budget, which introduces the concept of “premium support” for people less than 55 years of age.


Now he says that traditional Medicare will always be an option.


Choice is another issue.


He used to be pro-choice.


Then he said he would sign the personhood bill, which would recognize a fertilized egg as a person.


Now he believes in allowing abortion in cases of rape or incest or to save the mother’s life.


Only on foreign affairs is Romney consistent.


He would be Dick Cheney without fear of a heart attack: intervene here, take unilateral action there.

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What is OWEbama's plan to balance the budget? He promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. He didn't do that. So why do you trust him a second time? He promised to close Gitmo. He didn't. Why do you trust him a second time?

Please don't bore me with "The GOP stopped me". Because unless you can point me to a quote of OWEbama saying "I will do these things if the GOP lets me" then it is just excuses.

Ready? GO!

 

[Jarod]

Are you kidding they are not losing.... they are simply behind in the polls due to a short sugar high. It wont last.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Are you kidding they are not losing.... they are simply behind in the polls due to a short sugar high. It wont last.

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic?

 

[Lowaicue]

So far the Romney Republican campaign has alienated blacks, latinos, women, gay & lesbians, college students/youths. By embracing a strategy to exclusively attract angry middle aged white men Republicans are aggresively alienating everyone else. If they were more inclusive and with the struggling economy Obama should be in deep trouble but because of this short sightedness they are losing.

Any Blacks, Latinos, Women, Gays/Lesbian or college students here who care to contradict this observation?

Now, because I am basically a jolly nice chap.....(pause for hoots of derision)... I got to thinking what it must be like for Romney to wake up one morning to the realisation that, having spent millions of dollars, much of it donated by people who have made sacrifices to do so, most people in America dislike him and what he stands for and that he has absolutely no chance at all of becoming president.
I mean, what would you do? Bluff it out? Not much point. Hold up your hands and say you were wrong to even think you could do it? Would one apologise? And what of the teams of wordsmiths employed to fashion a string of bon mots and sound bytes? Does one tell one's wife and family that one really screwed up and one is not fit to make even a simple decision any more?
Most people in the US and a goodly number around the world are about to breathe a sigh of relief, but ... if you had promoted this 'fall-flat-on-your-face' product how would you explain it?

 

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Now, because I am basically a jolly nice chap.....(pause for hoots of derision)... I got to thinking what it must be like for Romney to wake up one morning to the realisation that, having spent millions of dollars, much of it donated by people who have made sacrifices to do so, most people in America dislike him and what he stands for and that he has absolutely no chance at all of becoming president.
I mean, what would you do? Bluff it out? Not much point. Hold up your hands and say you were wrong to even think you could do it? Would one apologise? And what of the teams of wordsmiths employed to fashion a string of bon mots and sound bytes? Does one tell one's wife and family that one really screwed up and one is not fit to make even a simple decision any more?
Most people in the US and a goodly number around the world are about to breathe a sigh of relief, but ... if you had promoted this 'fall-flat-on-your-face' product how would you explain it?

So you are in the camp that it is all over? Pack up the bags?

 

[Rune]

So you are in the camp that it is all over? Pack up the bags?

Romney threw in the towel the day he announced the second most hated politician in the country was his running mate.

Only Boner (sic) would have been a worse choice.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

How do you suggest they be more "inclusive"? Please enlighten us poor rubes

Well how about this. Try some moderation. How about dropping the stupid immigration policies Republicans want to enforce on latinos such as forcing anyone who looks like a latino to prove they are citizens or advocating "self-deportation"policies and opposition to pathways to citizenship, particularly for young immigrants who's parents brougt them here? Ya know, let them commit to public service of some sort for several years (i.e. milatary service) as a path to citizenship. Advocating this combined with support of traditional values would win a lot of latinos.

Then you could moderate your stance on abortion. Instead of opposing abortion in all circumstances as a republican platform how about changing it to opposing abortion on demand, particularly for late term pregnancies but making exceptions for life and health of the mother? How about openly supporting womens right to access to birth control and opposing discrimination against women on both reproductive rights and in the work place? Could win a lot of women votes there.

You could also moderate your stance on gays and lesbians. You can still oppose marriage for gays and lesbians as a sacred religious institution while supporting domestic union rights for gays. There would be a lot more log cabin Republicans if you did that.

How about designing a message for African Americans on public education? Many blacks are very open minded to school choice. How about Republicans advocating improving educational standards and access for African Americans? How about paying more attention to issues that are important to blacks? How about making it Republican policy that racial profiling or discrimination of any sort will not be tolerated? Education (including job programs) and opposition to racial profiling/discrimination are issues Republicans could kill on with black voters.

Then how about supporting increased funding and access for college students and students who want to learn the trade skills? This is just common sense, particularly if that funding is focused on youths who want to study science, technology, business, the professions and most importantly the trades skills. There's a huge demand for trade skills in this nation and Republicans can gain a lot of support of the youth vote by increasing funding for post secondary education and funding entreprenuership programs that teach youths how to suceed in business. Again, Republicans can kill here. I mean this is a no brainer. Every dollar spent on post secondary education programs will return nearly double to a four fold increase in revenue from increased personal productivity. It's a win win. Why not do it? Who teaches entrepranuership better than Republicans?

The southern strategy of appealing to angry old white guys with racial code language is a loser. It's no longer sustainable. Just look at past Presidential elections. Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections and this one looks like it will make it 5 out of 6. This should be a serious wake up call.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Now, because I am basically a jolly nice chap.....(pause for hoots of derision)... I got to thinking what it must be like for Romney to wake up one morning to the realisation that, having spent millions of dollars, much of it donated by people who have made sacrifices to do so, most people in America dislike him and what he stands for and that he has absolutely no chance at all of becoming president.
I mean, what would you do? Bluff it out? Not much point. Hold up your hands and say you were wrong to even think you could do it? Would one apologise? And what of the teams of wordsmiths employed to fashion a string of bon mots and sound bytes? Does one tell one's wife and family that one really screwed up and one is not fit to make even a simple decision any more?
Most people in the US and a goodly number around the world are about to breathe a sigh of relief, but ... if you had promoted this 'fall-flat-on-your-face' product how would you explain it?

Well sarcasm aside, your point is well taken. Romney would probably be an unpopular choice abroad. However, and unfortunately, that will be of little consideration come election time.

Most people in the US cast their votes based on a candidates domestic policy and are pretty oblivious to the fact that the implementation of foreign policy is the Presidents most important job as Chief Executive.

 

[Rune]

Well how about this. Try some moderation. How about dropping the stupid immigration policies Republicans want to enforce on latinos such as forcing anyone who looks like a latino to prove they are citizens or advocating "self-deportation"policies and opposition to pathways to citizenship, particularly for young immigrants who's parents brougt them here? Ya know, let them commit to public service of some sort for several years (i.e. milatary service) as a path to citizenship. Advocating this combined with support of traditional values would win a lot of latinos.

Then you could moderate your stance on abortion. Instead of opposing abortion in all circumstances as a republican platform how about changing it to opposing abortion on demand, particularly for late term pregnancies but making exceptions for life and health of the mother? How about openly supporting womens right to access to birth control and opposing discrimination against women on both reproductive rights and in the work place? Could win a lot of women votes there.

You could also moderate your stance on gays and lesbians. You can still oppose marriage for gays and lesbians as a sacred religious institution while supporting domestic union rights for gays. There would be a lot more log cabin Republicans if you did that.

How about designing a message for African Americans on public education? Many blacks are very open minded to school choice. How about Republicans advocating improving educational standards and access for African Americans? How about paying more attention to issues that are important to blacks? How about making it Republican policy that racial profiling or discrimination of any sort will not be tolerated? Education (including job programs) and opposition to racial profiling/discrimination are issues Republicans could kill on with black voters.

Then how about supporting increased funding and access for college students and students who want to learn the trade skills? This is just common sense, particularly if that funding is focused on youths who want to study science, technology, business, the professions and most importantly the trades skills. There's a huge demand for trade skills in this nation and Republicans can gain a lot of support of the youth vote by increasing funding for post secondary education and funding entreprenuership programs that teach youths how to suceed in business. Again, Republicans can kill here. I mean this is a no brainer. Every dollar spent on post secondary education programs will return nearly double to a four fold increase in revenue from increased personal productivity. It's a win win. Why not do it? Who teaches entrepranuership better than Republicans?

The southern strategy of appealing to angry old white guys with racial code language is a loser. It's no longer sustainable. Just look at past Presidential elections. Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections and this one looks like it will make it 5 out of 6. This should be a serious wake up call.

OK Mott, then they wouldn't be republicans would they?

 

[Jarod]

A) It turns out Ryan was a poor choice.
B) The Tea Party made it impossable for the R's to get a viable canidate.
C) Romney has managed his campaign very poorly.
D) I wonder if Romney is self sabatoging.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

OK Mott, then they wouldn't be republicans would they?

That's a silly comment. Both political parties have to constantly adapt to changing times and conditions. Neither party is a monolith as your comment suggests. Party politics is all about creating a winning coalition that will govern. To do that you have to build strong coalitions that emphsise issues which appeal to the majority.

Republicans used the Southern Strategy brilliantly for 30 years but now it's an anachronism that does them more harm then good. I am particularly alienated by Republicans embrace of anti-intellectual and anti-science rhetoric, for example. That's completely fucking senseless. I mean it's stupid to think that Republicans will lose masses of voters by, for example, supporting teaching of biological evolution as a foundational concept in science.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

A) It turns out Ryan was a poor choice.
B) The Tea Party made it impossable for the R's to get a viable canidate.
C) Romney has managed his campaign very poorly.
D) I wonder if Romney is self sabatoging.

I strongly disagree with all of those comments.

A. Ryan is a very bright and capable young legislature and was an excellent choice. Far superior to Sarah Palin, that's for sure.
B. The Tea Party has had minimal impact on this election cycle. It's "The Southern Strategy" that hurt Romney.
C. Considering any of the other Republican candidates, who were all far more to the right than Mitt had been nominated Obama would have a double digit lead. Romney may not be winning but he's running a far better campaign then McCain did.
D. That's just a plain silly comment. Romney has done damned well to keep things as close as he has while being severely handicapped by the right wing of the party who has been hell bent on alienating large demographics of people.

 

[Rationalist]

Mott,

Your analysis is based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. This election is not an uphill battle for Romney, but for Obama. Obama won in '08 due to victory in swing states by only a few percentage points. National popular vote is irrelevant (Although I do think Romney will win the popular vote, too). If you think Obama can simply take those swing state independent votes for granted, you are tragically misguided.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Mott,

Your analysis is based on nothing more than your wishful thinking. This election is not an uphill battle for Romney, but for Obama. Obama won in '08 due to victory in swing states by only a few percentage points. National popular vote is irrelevant (Although I do think Romney will win the popular vote, too). If you think Obama can simply take those swing state independent votes for granted, you are tragically misguided.

Sorry, that's projection on your part. My analysis is made on cold hard numbers. Statistically Obama is polling 100% with blacks. 60% with women. 67% with the youth vote (under 25), 67% with Latinos. This isn't wishful thinking on my part. These are cold hard facts. Ignore them at your own peril cause the popular vote is showing Obama with a significant lead where as the electoral vote is showing Obama with a huge lead. Better start facing facts son.

 

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Sorry, that's projection on your part. My analysis is made on cold hard numbers. Statistically Obama is polling 100% with blacks. 60% with women. 67% with the youth vote (under 25), 67% with Latinos. This isn't wishful thinking on my part. These are cold hard facts. Ignore them at your own peril cause the popular vote is showing Obama with a significant lead where as the electoral vote is showing Obama with a huge lead. Better start facing facts son.

What is funny is that those four groups have suffered the most under Maobama. White guys like me have prospered.

If those demographics want to keep voting agains their interests, I say fuck em. They can have more of the same. I will be just fine. Unlike them I don't rely on the gobblement.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I'm encouraged by the fact Mott still thinks Obama is winning.....sure sign Romney will be our next president....

 

[blackascoal]

I strongly disagree with all of those comments.

A. Ryan is a very bright and capable young legislature and was an excellent choice. Far superior to Sarah Palin, that's for sure.
B. The Tea Party has had minimal impact on this election cycle. It's "The Southern Strategy" that hurt Romney.
C. Considering any of the other Republican candidates, who were all far more to the right than Mitt had been nominated Obama would have a double digit lead. Romney may not be winning but he's running a far better campaign then McCain did.
D. That's just a plain silly comment. Romney has done damned well to keep things as close as he has while being severely handicapped by the right wing of the party who has been hell bent on alienating large demographics of people.

I strongly disagree with all of those comments.

A. Ryan was a horrible choice, especially if Romney is too afraid to promote the one thing Ryan is even known for. Florida was lost the moment Ryan was selected. Being better than Palin is hardly the same as a good choice.

B. The stench of the Tea Party is all over this election. The Tea Party is why republicans were left with such miserable choices. The republican contenders were a joke and spoke to no one BUT the Tea Party. Romney still does that. Truth be told, the Tea Party is why Obama is going to see a second term. The Tea Party is Obama's best weapon.

C. Again, being better than McCain isn't a testament to much of anything ... AND, there are a lot of republicans who would disagree even with that. I've seen a lot of campaigns, but I don't think I've ever seen such a blunder-filled campaign as Romney's ever. Him being close is almost meaningless in a campaign that he should be winning. Obama's base was not that excited about him .. until the Tea Party and Romney's campaign of blunders and missteps came along.

D. Romney IS the far right-wing of his party. That's the cloak he wears.. and please point out what part of his campaign and proposed policies are not right-wing. According to many within the Republican Party, Romney's campaign is a disaster.

 

[CanceledB]

Ha! Delusion is the opiate of the unwashed. Romney's campaign is scrambling to find a new direction and strategy. The RNC revealed how absymally the present one's working.

Inside the campaign: How Mitt Romney stumbled

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Romney’s convention stumbles have provoked weeks of public griping and internal sniping about not only Romney but also his mercurial campaign muse, Stevens. Viewed warily by conservatives, known for his impulsiveness and described by a colleague as a “tortured artist,” Stevens has become the leading staff scapegoat for a campaign that suddenly is behind in a race that had been expected to stay neck and neck through Nov. 6.

This article is based on accounts from Romney aides, advisers and friends, most of whom refused to speak on the record because they were recounting private discussions and offering direct criticism of the candidate and his staff, Stevens in particular.

And now, Paul Ryan's asking to be 'unleashed' so he can appeal to the pro-life whackjobs, since lying about the economy isn't working:

And Ryan’s latest campaign swing offers the clearest indication that he’s gotten his wish. On Friday at the Values Voters Summit in Washington, D.C., Ryan offered a new gambit on offense, attacking Obama on social issues and income inequality in one fell swoop.“’We’re all in this together’ – it has a nice ring,” Ryan said, quoting a frequent Obama line. “For everyone who loves this country, it is not only true but obvious,” he said. “Yet how hollow it sounds coming from a politician who has never once lifted a hand to defend the most helpless and innocent of all human beings, the child waiting to be born.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-camp-decides-the-economy-isnt-enough



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