Obama: Egypt isn't an ally...

General Buck Turgidson said:
What, exactly, am I wrong about here, Yurt? You seem to think that the difference between a loan and a gift is mere semantics. I respectfully disagree.
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And you seem to believe that a choice to return what was a great honor to have was the same thing as saying the lease on your car expired. It wasn't, and their kind gesture was rejected.
 
enough said:
if you had answered my questions above, you would know why you're wrong. you are wrong to compare it to a mtg. in this case, it is semantics. the loan did not expect payment, it was freely loaned for temporary use. that could be considered a gift type loan, as no payment was expected in return.

but i can understand why you need to nitpick such tiny details, anything to avoid that obama could have kept it.
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A "gift type loan?" That's just precious.
 
Damocles said:
Likely because of the stupid "Romney said they weren't ready!" crap. He didn't say that, but Obama himself promotes the nonsense. Basically, what you are saying is that what is good for the Goose shouldn't be touched by the Gander.
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No, what I am saying are you are being petty about things are insignificant.
 
enough said:
not at all. you made a logical fallacy by trying to compare the bust loan to a mortgage loan. one is a gift loan (eg, no debt), the other is for profit loan (eg, debt). the loan is a temporary use grant, not at all like a mortgage.

obviously this is way over your pay grade.
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Why are you allowed to edit another person's post down when whenever it gets done to a post of yours you complain about your post being taken out of context?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Why are you allowed to edit another person's post down when whenever it gets done to a post of yours you complain about your post being taken out of context?
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this again...how many times do i have to explain this to you? i've done so no less than three times. i did not shorten anyone's post in this thread and yet you have to bitch about it.

i'm sick and tired of explaining things to you, answering you and then you claim i never did. LAST TIME:

there is a difference editing down a post when you're not responding to those portions of the post, compared to editing out portions of a post to make it look like the person said something or didn't saying something. which is what you did. you cut out part of my post to falsely portray what i actually said. once again, that is the difference.
 
enough said:
still avoiding my questions on the difference between a mtg and this loan....

you failed this one buck...your nit picking really did get the best of you this time.
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That's awesome. I'm 100% correct, but my "nit picking really did get the best of me." Lolerpops.
 
Rana said:
No, what I am saying are you are being petty about things are insignificant.
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While ignoring it in yourself and your "side". Gander/Goose, rinse and repeat.

What I will say is as long as Obama is being petty, he can expect others to point to his personal faux pas... That you think it is important to call out some dude on a message board for a perceived splinter in his eye while ignoring the moat in the eye of Dear Leader is telling.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
No, the loan ended. The Brits offered to extend the loan and Obama said no thanks. That's a whole different ball of wax from what you claimed, sir. And I still haven't seen any evidence to suggest that officials in the British government really gave a shit and I'm sure as hell not going to take the word of the Torygraph article that flirts with the Obama as Kenyan post-colonialist nonsense.
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Again, the Brits extended the offer, it didn't "end". He wasn't ending a lease on his apartment, man. These people loaned a national treasure to us and wanted it to continue, it was an honor, and this President decided that he simply did not want that honor, he felt there was more important stuff to put in the office apparently.

That you try to use a semantic play to pretend you didn't say it was "completely false" spouting the talking points of the buffoon in the WH who is now apologizing to Krauthammer after stating the same thing....

Yeah, your spin knows no bounds.
 
Rana said:
It is a stupid non issue that conservatives like to give more play than it deserves. The WH had a bust of Churchill, why do they need two? Good grief, this is petty. So are the gifts he gave to the Queen, there are far more important things to criticize.
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It's all they got Rana.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
That's awesome. I'm 100% correct, but my "nit picking really did get the best of me." Lolerpops.
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did i say you were 100% correct? no wonder you're too scared to answer my questions and instead stick to lame hide behind your mom's skirt one liners....

you compared this loan to a mtg....now that is some major spin, even for you. tell your mom i said hi :D
 
Darla said:
Not to cons there aren't. They are in meltdown mode because Obama has somehow turned the who do you trust on foreign policy question on its head. I've never seen these numbers. Since Vietnam and the right wing propaganda which followed, Americans have believed that Democrats are soft on foreign policy and Republicans strong.

Add to that Mitt's bumbling I'm a buffoon overseas tour, and his performance yesterday...yeah, they're grasping, desperately, at anything.
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Maybe it could be that Bushco and Repelicans completely fucked up the war in Afghanistan, misled the nation into an immoral war in Iraq that quickly turned into a very expensive cluster fuck and failed to find and kill one man held responsible for the 911 attacks.

It's not that people feel Democrats are stronger on foreign policy than Repubs it's just they think Repubs could fuck up a wet dream.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
This is the best that they have. Churchill busts and DVDs. Incorrect pictures as backdrops. Teleprompter jokes. It's embarrassing.

I'm so old I remember when Democrats cowered in fear of the Republican message machine and now it's a complete joke.
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True. As I said in another post. These are the last dying gasps of the southern strategy.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
True. As I said in another post. These are the last dying gasps of the southern strategy.
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When a President has a poor record and only has the death of one guy and GM to give us as success in his DNC, he makes the election about small stuff (can you tell me who said much the same thing and when?)...

Tell me again how Romney "insulted" the Brits by saying that we'll need to wait and see if it is a success... Obama's been telling me all about it.
 
When Rootbeer comes on down with a picture is when I know that the end of actual dialogue has come.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Maybe it could be that Bushco and Repelicans completely fucked up the war in Afghanistan, misled the nation into an immoral war in Iraq that quickly turned into a very expensive cluster fuck and failed to find and kill one man held responsible for the 911 attacks.

It's not that people feel Democrats are stronger on foreign policy than Repubs it's just they think Repubs could fuck up a wet dream.
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obama has had afghanistan for about four years....how has he made better than it was four years ago?

as to iraq being immoral, that is a matter of debate, which i'm sure has been hashed out repreatedly.

i think obama, overall, has been strong on many aspects of foreign policy, especially the war on terror.
 
Damocles said:
When a President has a poor record and only has the death of one guy and GM to give us as success in his DNC, he makes the election about small stuff (can you tell me who said much the same thing and when?)...

Tell me again how Romney "insulted" the Brits by saying that we'll need to wait and see if it is a success... Obama's been telling me all about it.
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That argument is based on a false premise. That President Obama has a poor record. Killing OBL was small stuff? Preventing another great depression was small stuff? Saving our auto industry and the industries which depend on it were small stuff? Beging the long overdue reforms to our antiquated and obsolete health care system is small stuff? Advancing womens rights in the work place is small stuff? Instituting financial reforms and consumer protections is small stuff? Ending the immoral war in Iraq was small stuff? Reforming medicare and DOD aquisitions saving hundreds of billions in waste and fraud is small stuff? Improving our image abroad after Bush and the neocons engendered so much hate for Americans is small stuff? Beginning the drawdown in Afghanistan is small stuff? Recapitalizing our banks is small stuff? Repealing "Don't ask don't tell" is small stuff? Helping to topple Mohmar Khaddafi is small stuff? Reversing Bush's insane policy on torture is small stuff? Boosting fuel efficiency standards is small stuff? Increased support for veterens is small stuff? Tightening sanctions on Iran is small stuff? Achieving the New Start Treaty with Russia by radically reducing the numbers of nuclear war heads is small stuff? Authorizing the FDA to regulate tobacco, the most dangerous drug in human history, is small stuff? Expanding federal funding for stem cell research by eliminating the asinine Bush era restrictions is small stuff?

Yea well if this is small stuff to you I say keep it coming!
 
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