It's the Onion, but they pretty much nailed it:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/18...g&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
http://www.theonion.com/articles/18...g&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
18-Year-Old Fighting In Afghanistan Has 9/11 Explained To Him By Older Soldier
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Disillusioned
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Posted this in another thread, but agree it deserves it's own.
The Onion, more truthful than we'd really like.
The Onion, more truthful than we'd really like.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
There is no sane reason why we're in Afghanistan.
Shut up and follow orders is all he had.
Shut up and follow orders is all he had.
A perfect example of todays public education at its best.......far left, incompetent, and a propaganda mill for the liberals.....
7 yrs. old when it happened and still ignorant even 11 years later. And its implied its the parents fault ?....what bullshit
At the very least we should have declared victory and left as quickly as possible after killing OBL. Leave Afghanistan up to the Afghans.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I agree with that.
It's the Onion, it's a joke!
It is how Bin Laden is beating us, like he beat the USSR, and we followed him there like he was the pied piper.
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As usual, Bravo can't see the forest.
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Guns Guns Guns
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Poor Blabo.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
The onion hit the nail right on the head.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I disagree. It's not that simple. You have the same problem in Afghanistan that you did in Iraq only to a far worse degree. The lack of a civilized infrastructure makes it extremely difficult to leave with a functioning, civilized form of government in place. If we leave with out that in place than we risk creating a power vacuum within that region which would permit it to devolve back into a state of chaos in which a Taliban could gain ascendency and become a home for terrorist camps again. At least in Iraq a history and infastructure existed for creating a stable government and you seen how long a difficult it was to rebuild the Iraqi government. However, Afghanistan is no Iraq. This is a midevil tribal culture with practically no history of a strong central government (although it is certainly another Libertarian paradise). So far our every attempt to create one has failed. That brings up some real tough question. Do we leave there now and leave a failed State in which another terrorist group can exploit the lack of law and order as Bin Ladin did? Do we stay there and try to build a nation despite resistance from tribal cultures who do not wish to modernise and certainly do not want us there? Ultimately we may have no choice but to declare victory and leave. I have several family members serving there (a niece and a nephew) and I'd like nothing better then for them to be home where it's safe'
Ultimately the Onion is right. With OBL dead and Al Qaeda essentially being neutered has our mission been accomplished and is it time to come home? If not, what is our mission there? To create a stable central government? Can we accomplish what the Chinese, British and Soviets failed to do? Tough questions all.
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Is that like the domino theory? If we leave we create a vaccum .. that never happened.
The Afghanis want us to get the fuck out of their country just like the Iraqis did.
Our cowboy foreign policy has failed again and again. We seem to have no understanding of soft power.
But the days of Americans running the show as the quasi "leader of the free world" are over.
Because of our penchant for war and love of weapons of mass mudrder than only a demon would love or even possess .. the world is realigning.
.. and its about time.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Sorry, wrong answer. Unlike Iraq or the proxy wars of the cold war era Afghanistan was a clear and present danger to our national security so our presense there is legitimate. The fact that the Bush administratation screwed the pooch in Afghanistan by dropping the ball for his immoral war in Iraq certainly didn't help. So that's a strawman argument on your behalf.
The real question is that with the overthrow of the Taliban, the killing of OBL and the dismemberment of Al Qaeda has our mission in Afghanistan been completed? Can we risk leaving Afghanistan as a failed State?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Wrong answer good brother. Al Queda is stronger than ever. I posted the glaring evidence of that yesterday.
We can go back and forth on whether one of the poorest nations in the world was actually a threat .. but there is no question that Afghanis want us to get the fuck out of their country. There is no question that the Pakistanis want us out of the region.
So, what have we accomplished in the longest war in American history?
Bin Laden is dead .. so we're told .. so where is the evidence that killing him had any effect on the organization he lead? Not only is Al Queda stronger .. we are in bed with them. Americans don't want to talk about that .. don't even want to know.
Cowboy foreign policy is not only destructive, it's ignorant. There are limits to military power .. and while we're running around the planet killing people, MOST of them innocent .. China is conquering the world without ever firing a single shot.
There is nothing we can do in Afghanistan. We have never won the hearts and minds of its people .. and after 11 years of failure, that should be clearly obvious to everyone.
The American people do not support what you want.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
I said much the same thing the other day, we will leave Afghanistan and it will just return to a shithole.
we should have used "counter-terorism" -bomb the bases, hit the leadership, but NOT ESCALTE like Obama did.
We;ve accomplished nothing -zilch by trying to use a couter-insurgency strstegy vs. a counter -terrorism strategy.
That war should have been over when Obama took office -Obama is the one whom decided ( ignoring Biden's advice) we should go heavy.
All we've aquired is over 1400 dead Americans under his POTUS. And a failed state, still.