SmarterthanYou
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if my conclusions are correct, then how is my reasoning faulty?
Ryan: Don't interfere with legalized medical pot
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Dixie - In Memoriam
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So what is your alternative? To cynically disconnect from the process altogether in disgust and frustration? If I believed that would solve any problem, I might go along with it, but I believe politicians would still get elected and we'd still have politicians in charge.
blackascoal
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Puppets without the strings.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and I would say that trusting the GOP simply because they aren't democrats is insanity. the gop and the democrats are liars, nearly every single one of them. unless there is something that can be shown to me that a gop member has kept every promise they have ever made, i see no reason to trust them with my future.
SmarterthanYou
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politicians will still get elected and politicians will still be in charge because we will still have partisan people such as yourself adamantly denying that their side is lying to us while accusing the other side of doing nothing but lying.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I never said ALL the cost or ALL of anything. Those are your interjected words. You can think whatever you want, but if you're failing to comprehend that law enforcement agencies realize a great deal of profit from making drug busts and seizing property, you are blind to a huge part of the problem. Look, I would love to close my eyes to that reality, and focus only on the actual cost to prosecute and enforce, but there is this other glaring aspect to be considered. I can't ignore that, it has to be brought to the discussion if we are going to have a reasoned objective debate.
I'm not arguing that we should keep the law as it is, so that these law enforcement agencies can continue reaping huge profits from drug seizures, that's not my point or what I am saying. I get the feeling that is what you want to warp my comments into, and all I've done is point this out as part of the problem we face. Until you understand how these laws serve as a cash cow for law enforcement agencies, you can't comprehend why this is such a difficult problem to solve. If it was all about the money it costs to enforce and prosecute, the solution would be relatively simple. The fact is, that is NOT all it's about, there is the aspect of how these agencies are funding themselves with money they get from property seizures and such. That simply has to be dealt with... how we do that, is a tough question. I understand you don't like tough questions, and it's a whole lot easier to keep spouting rhetoric and ignoring this glaring aspect. But to effectively deal with this problem, it has to be examined completely.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Not only do I not run from tough questions .. I enjoy them and always back up my response with evidence.
You claimed that the majority of Americans don't support marijuana legalization .. then when faced with the evidence that I provided and you didn't know, you rejected it out of hand .. WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY COUNTER-EVIDENCE.
It's hard to pretend that you're looking for serious conversation when you run from it.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, politicians will still get elected because that is the prevailing system of government we have. Even if all the "partisan people such as myself" go away tomorrow, there will still be politicians elected to political office. Even if it comes down to three people in America voting, someone will be elected and someone will lose the election. All you are advocating, is to remove ourselves from the process and not participate. Like I said, if I thought that would solve the problem, I'd be all for it. That won't solve the problem.
This isn't about "accusing" the other side, the record speaks for itself. I don't have to "accuse" anything, you've pointed out the lie about the pot dispensaries yourself. I didn't accuse anyone of lying there, you pointed it out because it happened in reality. But what you seem to want to do is hold one party responsible for the lies of another party. Republicans are indeed responsible for their own lies, they certainly don't need the onus of the other party's lies too. And yeah, they've both told lies to us and we've voted for them, but the solution can't be to disengage from the process and check out, we'll never fix one single problem that way.
It is kind of like saying: Things suck at work, there are all these problems to deal with, bosses riding my ass, stress, etc., so I am going to just lay in bed and not show up for work! Well, that may make you feel better for now, but is that going to ultimately solve your problem?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Again, common sense should tell you, if a majority of Americans supported legalization, we'd see both national parties vying for votes by adopting pro-legalization platforms, and we don't see that. That IS my counter-evidence! IF what you were saying were true, we'd see a concerted effort by BOTH parties to win the "pot vote!" WE DON'T! ....Why?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Common sense says no such thing.
The majority of Americans have supported health care reform for more than a decade .. and when the slightest "reform" possible shows up in Obamacare .. your side cries bloody murder.
Of course there are a shitload of other issues that are supported by the American people that aren't realized either.
So basically your "counter-evidence" is what you think without ANY validation. Got it.
You should go debate someone who doesn't use evidence or validation like you.
LOL. my cranium is being consumed by termites. just make the crunching noise stop, and i won't walk this way no more
EDIT: a classic movie -the best. I think termites caused the "madness" - the reefer was just a cover up
you CANNOT trust them.
The law is ruled on the reach of the Fed's can go into any level of distribution. I doubt the DEA would charge 'felony posession' - that's usually reserved for a state charge -more the 20 grams simple possession if Fl IS a state felony.
You nailed it. As long as this supposed balance of non enforcement "as long as state law is followed"(Ogden memo) - that's exactly what did happen with this situation.
You can't trust anyone as long as weed is Schedule 1. It's like a trump card > "It's a scheduled 1 drug" -which is always illegal.
Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act for the United States. Required findings for drugs to be placed in this schedule:
1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2.The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3.There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
Except as specifically authorized, it is illegal for any person:1.to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance; or
2.to create, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to distribute or dispense, a counterfeit substance.[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs_(US)
Politicians are cowards on weed issues. It';s been demonized so despertely hard for so long, it's truely a national "do not touch" debate.
The anti-marijuana forces would mobilize like.....termites. On a state level you get support a lot.
From the Zoo in D.C? you get nothing, no answers, no budgets, no compromise, no governing - so why is someone going to intruduce a national bill, and become an immediate political target from the opposite party.
Talk about Reefer Madness - the cowards on the potomac river are too busy. C.Y.Asses
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol....and like every other business the federal government gets involved with, they don't show a profit......
SmarterthanYou
rebel
now show me where the constitution gives any level of government the power to prohibit possession of a weed that grows in a ditch and is not sold on any commercial market?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
LOL. my cranium is being consumed by termites. just make the crunching noise stop, and i won't walk this way no more
EDIT: a classic movie -the best. I think termites caused the "madness" - the reefer was just a cover up
"make the crunching noise stop" :0)
Hilarious
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Now you are jumping from pot to health care reform. Let's stick with the issue we are debating. The majority of Americans do not believe that we should have legalized marijuana in America, if they did, you would see both political parties supporting the idea, and in fact, Congress would have already acted to change the law. Now you can use polls to CLAIM this all you like, I never said you couldn't do that.
What YOU are doing is using validation without evidence. You want to think that most Americans favor legalization, so you accept some poll that tells you that, and you run around with this as your 'evidence' but it can't be validated by reality. If most people wanted pot legalized, you don't think politicians would make it happen? Their constituents who mostly wanted it to be legal, wouldn't be pressuring them? Someone wouldn't run in the elections to oppose them and campaign on pro-pot platforms? If a majority of people wanted this, it would already be legal. The fact is, a vast majority DO NOT want marijuana to be legal. That said, there are SOME people who don't want it to be legal, but have no problem with medical marijuana. Now, if you take THOSE people, and lump them in with the people who just want pot to be legal, then MAYBE you can get to a majority, but that is counting people who don't have any notion of simply legalizing pot for all. Therefore, your position and claim are disingenuous.
One of our biggest expenese in Alaska is incarcerating non-violent criminals. I think with our prison populations busting at the seams we need to look at our sentencing process and also get "for profit" out of our prison systems.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Go away dude. You are wasting my time.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
And guess what?
US prison corporations exploiting nearly a million incarcerated people with sweatshop labor
Sweatshop labor is back with a vengeance. It can be found across broad stretches of the American economy and around the world. Penitentiaries have become a niche market for such work. The privatization of prisons in recent years has meant the creation of a small army of workers too coerced and right-less to complain.
Prisoners, whose ranks increasingly consist of those for whom the legitimate economy has found no use, now make up a virtual brigade within the reserve army of the unemployed whose ranks have ballooned along with the U.S. incarceration rate. The Corrections Corporation of America and G4S (formerly Wackenhut), two prison privatizers, sell inmate labor at subminimum wages to Fortune 500 corporations like Chevron, Bank of America, AT&T, and IBM.
These companies can, in most states, lease factories in prisons or prisoners to work on the outside. All told, nearly a million prisoners are now making office furniture, working in call centers, fabricating body armor, taking hotel reservations, working in slaughterhouses, or manufacturing textiles, shoes, and clothing, while getting paid somewhere between 93 cents and $4.73 per day.
http://dgrnewsservice.org/2012/04/2...ion-incarcerated-people-with-sweatshop-labor/
In some cases factories are being closed and workers laid-off in the real world .. then re-opened inside prisons where the prisoner/slaves work for about 25 cents an hour.