SmarterthanYou
rebel
if my conclusions are correct, then how is my reasoning faulty?I'm attacking your reasoning not your conclusion.
if my conclusions are correct, then how is my reasoning faulty?I'm attacking your reasoning not your conclusion.
What I find incredulous is that ANYONE would willingly believe a politicians bullshit after what we've dealt with the last 40 years.
So what is your alternative? To cynically disconnect from the process altogether in disgust and frustration? If I believed that would solve any problem, I might go along with it, but I believe politicians would still get elected and we'd still have politicians in charge.
and I would say that trusting the GOP simply because they aren't democrats is insanity. the gop and the democrats are liars, nearly every single one of them. unless there is something that can be shown to me that a gop member has kept every promise they have ever made, i see no reason to trust them with my future.I would say you should trust the GOP because they aren't Democrats, and you shouldn't trust Democrats because they've lied to you.
politicians will still get elected and politicians will still be in charge because we will still have partisan people such as yourself adamantly denying that their side is lying to us while accusing the other side of doing nothing but lying.So what is your alternative? To cynically disconnect from the process altogether in disgust and frustration? If I believed that would solve any problem, I might go along with it, but I believe politicians would still get elected and we'd still have politicians in charge.
Crime PERIOD is big business for the American legal system. It necessitates police, judges, courts, lawyers, and all the crap in between
But if you think that all the costs of this circus come from drug busts then once again, you're wrong.
If you think that taxpayers aren't stuck with the bill, you're wrong.
If you think all the costs to society are found in a balance sheet, you're wrong.
Feel free to think whatever you want .. but the truth of America's failed war on drugs and its costs to this society are well known
I never said ALL the cost or ALL of anything. Those are your interjected words. You can think whatever you want, but if you're failing to comprehend that law enforcement agencies realize a great deal of profit from making drug busts and seizing property, you are blind to a huge part of the problem. Look, I would love to close my eyes to that reality, and focus only on the actual cost to prosecute and enforce, but there is this other glaring aspect to be considered. I can't ignore that, it has to be brought to the discussion if we are going to have a reasoned objective debate.
I'm not arguing that we should keep the law as it is, so that these law enforcement agencies can continue reaping huge profits from drug seizures, that's not my point or what I am saying. I get the feeling that is what you want to warp my comments into, and all I've done is point this out as part of the problem we face. Until you understand how these laws serve as a cash cow for law enforcement agencies, you can't comprehend why this is such a difficult problem to solve. If it was all about the money it costs to enforce and prosecute, the solution would be relatively simple. The fact is, that is NOT all it's about, there is the aspect of how these agencies are funding themselves with money they get from property seizures and such. That simply has to be dealt with... how we do that, is a tough question. I understand you don't like tough questions, and it's a whole lot easier to keep spouting rhetoric and ignoring this glaring aspect. But to effectively deal with this problem, it has to be examined completely.
politicians will still get elected and politicians will still be in charge because we will still have partisan people such as yourself adamantly denying that their side is lying to us while accusing the other side of doing nothing but lying.
Not only do I not run from tough questions .. I enjoy them and always back up my response with evidence.
You claimed that the majority of Americans don't support marijuana legalization .. then when faced with the evidence that I provided and you didn't know, you rejected it out of hand .. WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY COUNTER-EVIDENCE.
It's hard to pretend that you're looking for serious conversation when you run from it.
Again, common sense should tell you, if a majority of Americans supported legalization, we'd see both national parties vying for votes by adopting pro-legalization platforms, and we don't see that. That IS my counter-evidence! IF what you were saying were true, we'd see a concerted effort by BOTH parties to win the "pot vote!" WE DON'T! ....Why?
How are you just gonna walk into the niddle of a gunfight waving a white flag?
Dixie and I are having a gunfight .. we don't want to hear no logic.
:0) .. just kiddin'
you CANNOT trust them.It wouldn't be rational if I was actually judging them. what I ASKED was 'why should I trust them'?
Politicians are cowards on weed issues. It';s been demonized so despertely hard for so long, it's truely a national "do not touch" debate.Again, common sense should tell you, if a majority of Americans supported legalization, we'd see both national parties vying for votes by adopting pro-legalization platforms, and we don't see that. That IS my counter-evidence! IF what you were saying were true, we'd see a concerted effort by BOTH parties to win the "pot vote!" WE DON'T! ....Why?
Crime PERIOD is big business for the American legal system.
now show me where the constitution gives any level of government the power to prohibit possession of a weed that grows in a ditch and is not sold on any commercial market?you CANNOT trust them.
The law is ruled on the reach of the Fed's can go into any level of distribution. I doubt the DEA would charge 'felony posession' - that's usually reserved for a state charge -more the 20 grams simple possession if Fl IS a state felony.
You nailed it. As long as this supposed balance of non enforcement "as long as state law is followed"(Ogden memo) - that's exactly what did happen with this situation.
You can't trust anyone as long as weed is Schedule 1. It's like a trump card > "It's a scheduled 1 drug" -which is always illegal.
Schedule I drugs under the Controlled Substances Act for the United States. Required findings for drugs to be placed in this schedule:
1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2.The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3.There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
Except as specifically authorized, it is illegal for any person:1.to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance; or
2.to create, distribute, or dispense, or possess with intent to distribute or dispense, a counterfeit substance.[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs_(US)
LOL. my cranium is being consumed by termites. just make the crunching noise stop, and i won't walk this way no more
EDIT: a classic movie -the best. I think termites caused the "madness" - the reefer was just a cover up![]()
Common sense says no such thing.
The majority of Americans have supported health care reform for more than a decade .. and when the slightest "reform" possible shows up in Obamacare .. your side cries bloody murder.
Of course there are a shitload of other issues that are supported by the American people that aren't realized either.
So basically your "counter-evidence" is what you think without ANY validation. Got it.
You should go debate someone who doesn't use evidence or validation like you.
Crime PERIOD is big business for the American legal system. It necessitates police, judges, courts, lawyers, and all the crap in between
But if you think that all the costs of this circus come from drug busts then once again, you're wrong.
If you think that taxpayers aren't stuck with the bill, you're wrong.
If you think all the costs to society are found in a balance sheet, you're wrong.
Feel free to think whatever you want .. but the truth of America's failed war on drugs and its costs to this society are well known
Now you are jumping from pot to health care reform. Let's stick with the issue we are debating. The majority of Americans do not believe that we should have legalized marijuana in America, if they did, you would see both political parties supporting the idea, and in fact, Congress would have already acted to change the law. Now you can use polls to CLAIM this all you like, I never said you couldn't do that.
What YOU are doing is using validation without evidence. You want to think that most Americans favor legalization, so you accept some poll that tells you that, and you run around with this as your 'evidence' but it can't be validated by reality. If most people wanted pot legalized, you don't think politicians would make it happen? Their constituents who mostly wanted it to be legal, wouldn't be pressuring them? Someone wouldn't run in the elections to oppose them and campaign on pro-pot platforms? If a majority of people wanted this, it would already be legal. The fact is, a vast majority DO NOT want marijuana to be legal. That said, there are SOME people who don't want it to be legal, but have no problem with medical marijuana. Now, if you take THOSE people, and lump them in with the people who just want pot to be legal, then MAYBE you can get to a majority, but that is counting people who don't have any notion of simply legalizing pot for all. Therefore, your position and claim are disingenuous.
One of our biggest expenese in Alaska is incarcerating non-violent criminals. I think with our prison populations busting at the seams we need to look at our sentencing process and also get "for profit" out of our prison systems.