Using false equivalency to make blanket statements about a group of people is insane too. You don't give a damn about Muslim women. You're looking for a reason to criticize muslims.
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Using false equivalency to make blanket statements about a group of people is insane too. You don't give a damn about Muslim women. You're looking for a reason to criticize muslims.
You should definitely cast that stone Bravo, because you are not partisan at all lol. Idiot.
My opinion is that rape in and of itself is violent and violative and its effects are subjective. You claim to 'know' which rapes should be more damaging based on your interaction with a handful of people. It's already been explained why you're wrong. Accept it. You're belabouring the point because you're too much of a baby to admit when you're wrong.
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being raped alone, without any other physical or mental injuries, is the same as being raped and being beaten or stabbed or disfigured or held prisoner while being raped.
fuck you bijou.
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I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I have done so many times.
But when I am right I don't back down because I am called names or told to "man up".
I have a valid point. I have read a fair amount on the topic over the years. My opinion is just as valid as yours. YOu keep trying to make the point that rape, in and of itself, is violent. I have never argued against that.
And no, it has not been explained to me why I am wrong. My point is not that any rape is nonviolent. And yet, your main argument has been that all rape is violent.
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Careful, you will be called an apologist for the rapists.
That's because it is. When you understand that, you'll quit the 'differing levels' bullshit.
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I understand that it is. Hence my post saying I have never argued against it. I have said there was a nonviolent rape.
Perhaps if you would read what I actually say instead of insisting that I am wrong, you might understand my point. But then, not reading has never stopped you from arguing anyway.
I've read the parts where you claim the damage is much worse when a woman is also brutalized. You have only a tiny handful of examples from which to make this assertion. You cannot know how rape, with and without ancillary violence, is to affect anyone, as it's a subjective matter. You claim to know because of your own experience, but you are not qualified to determine how trauma should affect someone else, based on how you saw it affect someone you knew. That's where you're wrong.
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If someone were walking down the street and grabbed, taken away, and beaten to within an inch of their life, would you expect there to be any damage besides the physical injuries? Would they be fearful of being alone? Of the dark? Would they wake up screaming from nightmares of the event?
Now, according to you, the violence of any rape is so great that the same thing could never happen to a victim of a particularly violent rape.
You choose to ignore the victims who have lived in fear of being attacked again, at least in part due to the violence.
We accept that victims of domestic violence (who were not raped) are traumatized by the violence. And yet, you claim we should ignore that same violence when a rape is involved.
I am not saying every rape victim will respond in any given way. I am saying that we should expect the additional violence to have had an effect on the victim too.
That is where I am right.
lol.....talk about using false equivalency ..... read your own post, fool
common and condoned and protected in the Muslim world....thats just the undeniable fact of their culture.....
Thanks for making my case....
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Thank you, Froggie. After this discussion, I would certainly take a hug.
Probably. What does this have to do with rape?
Where do I distinguish the 'degree' of rape violence? I assert that the act of rape is violent. Cite where I've said it is "so great that the same thing could never happen to a victim of a particularly violent rape". Good luck with that, because I never said that, this is you twisting what I've said in another common and desperate pursuit of 'winning' an already-lost argument.
Wrong again. More twisting by you; what I've chosen to 'ignore' are attempts to downplay the violence of rape itself, without any ancillary violence, in response to the likes of you who assert that there are 'differing levels' of rape and that without ancillary violence, there is less damage. A completely asinine statement because you have no way of knowing that.
Wrong again. Cite where I've claimed any violence should be ignored.
Boy, it is really tough to admit when you're wrong, apparently.
Tell you what, crybaby. I'm done dancing with your infantilism. You go ahead and have the last word; you so desperately seem to need that.
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Because those same acts of violence are what you want to dismiss with your standard answer of "all rape is violent". The excessive violence of some rapes causes serious harm that should not be ignored.
As I said before, I am more than willing to admit when I am wrong. I am just not willing to admit it when I am not wrong.
Given that you and I have been posting back and forth for several pages, its a little late to say I desperately need to have the last word. You have been keeping this going as much as I have.
Not every victim is affected the same way by the violence, some women never look back or at least are not totally traumatized by it, others suffer deeply. The date rape victim can be as mentally devastated and and have trust issues as the woman who was severely beaten. Every woman is different.
Wait - you're disagreeing with WB. That means you're "ignoring" the violence of victims who are beaten/brutalized. That is the only way he can 'win' the argument.
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Wait - you're disagreeing with WB. That means you're "ignoring" the violence of victims who are beaten/brutalized. That is the only way he can 'win' the argument.
Rana has her own opinions. I have mine.
The differnce is that I haven't seen her attack anyone for having a different opinion.
That said, the idea that we should expect greater trauma from greater violence is not unreasonable. And just a reminder, it is not only women who are raped and traumatized.
Rana's attacking or not attacking anyone for having a difference of opinion doesn't make my assertion about your opinion any less accurate. Nice try. And that certainly explains why you went to such desperate lengths (I'm "ignoring" the ancillary violence, LOL) to 'win' the debate - you were butthurt. How completely obvious.
As for your expectation of greater trauma for greater violence - not unreasonable, but still wrong. And recognizing that isn't "ignoring" the violence. It's simply recognizing that the the effects of trauma are SUBJECTIVE.
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Not unreasonable, but still wrong according to whom? You? And your expertise comes from what source?
Oh, and I'll let you have the last word. Since you so desperately need to do so.
The sources I read are psychiatrist and psychologist and my reading says it is not the experience but the outcome of trauma which is post traumatic stress disorder and there are different methods of treatment depending on the individual.