Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you

Dixie said:
Sounds like whether it's an increase or decrease might just depend on the actual GDP, doesn't it... since that is what it's based upon? Doesn't logic sort of dictate that? If the GDP is 20% less this year than last, then 4% this year as opposed to last, would be a cut, not an increase.
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Can you tell me how many times in the past 60 years GDP decreased year to year and by how much expressed as a percentage? Once you go through this exercise you'll see why your post is fucking stupid.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Can you tell me how many times in the past 60 years GDP decreased year to year and by how much expressed as a percentage? Once you go through this exercise you'll see why your post is fucking stupid.
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It doesn't matter, the GDP may go up or down, it is almost never the same amount. So you can't say that Romney proposed increased spending, he proposed spending based on GDP, which in general, is how we should base spending. As opposed to the liberal way of just spending whateverthefuck and not worrying about it.
 
Superfreak said:
Nice little attack their Dune, care to be specific about what you are referring to? No? didn't think so.
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Did you mean there? I thought so.
As to my comment? The 2% increase is just righties who were going to vote Romney anyway, but couldn't admit it until Ryan was onboard.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Oh, I know what that is, but that has nothing to do with the $700 billion in cost savings over the next 10 years.
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Ok, then explain the supposed "cost savings" in Medicare, in which $716 Billion was taken out to fund the ACA. Oh, and don't forget the links. ;)

Just because the Ryan proposal didn't become law (Ryan/Wyden didn't pass the House and had no opportunity to be shot down in the Senate) doesn't mean it is irrelevant.
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Yes, that is exactly what it means...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and grant that you may not know this, but for a proposal to become law and actually make it to the Presidents desk to sign, it must first pass both houses of congress. Hence, it is irrelevant.

It's what Ryan wanted and what Romeny said he would have signed. They support(ed) what's in the 2013 House Budget.
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Would've, Might, Possibly would...Ah Bull! Romney is not President.....Yet. So what he will do hasn't happened yet...BTW, where's a budget of any kind from Harry 'a little birdie told me' Reid, and the hack demo's in the Senate for the past 3 and a half years?

As for them now running on "the Romney plan," can you provide a link to that plan? I haven't seen it.
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Sure, I like to help...

On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full legislation as quickly as possible.

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
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You're welcome :)

What exactly am I making up?
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Well, to be fair, you are not making it up, I don't think you're that clever, but the leftist websites, and the MSNBC Obama shills that you garner your talking points from are.

The Ryan Budget left the $700 billion Medicare cost savings in the Affordable Care Act intact.
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No, you are either misunderstanding what is in it, or intentionally misstating it. The Ryan plan was to take the $700 Billion that Obama cut out of Medicare, and instead of using it to create a new entitlement program, Ryan's plan would shift it to the back end of Medicare to help defray the future unfunded liabilities.

Romney said he would have signed that budget if it reached his desk as president.
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Like I said he's NOT President....YET! But good to see that you are embracing the inevitable.

Now both say they would repeal those cost savings.
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The link to his plan is above, hopefully you'll stop mischaracterizing his position.

What is made up other than the part that I quoted from you?
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Nearly every keystroke you typed in.
 
j-mac said:
The pill is 'birth control'... Condom's are 'birth control'... abstinence is 'birth control...

Abortion is the murder of an unborn, defenseless human child.
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A decision made by the mother who doesn't want to have a baby, aka BIRTH CONTROL.

Mothers will continue to exercise 100% dominion over their own bodies whether the cavemen like it or not.
 
enough said:
you just said the baby's body is irrelevant.....that is hardly an endorsement of love for babies....

the fact is, it is highly relevant and any intelligent and rational person will tell you it is.
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Oops. No cogent engagement from you = not worthy of a thoughtful response by me.

Try again.
 
Bijou said:
A decision made by the mother who doesn't want to have a baby, aka BIRTH CONTROL.

Mothers will continue to exercise 100% dominion over their own bodies whether the cavemen like it or not.
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The time to make that decision over your body is before you get horizontal and spread em....After that you are killing another life that you and another person created.
 
j-mac said:
The time to make that decision over your body is before you get horizontal and spread em....After that you are killing another life that you and another person created.
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Disgusting caveman grunts won't elicit discussion from me. IF you have a point, make it in a dignified and civilized fashion, or be ignored.
 
Bijou said:
Disgusting caveman grunts won't elicit discussion from me. IF you have a point, make it in a dignified and civilized fashion, or be ignored.
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You can call names. You can be vile. You can even ignore the intellectual argument in favor of pure dismissal. But you can not take away that image staring back at you from the mirror the day after you murder your baby.

Is that what did it Bijou? Is that what pushed you over the edge of mental instability?
 
j-mac said:
You can call names. You can be vile. You can even ignore the intellectual argument in favor of pure dismissal. But you can not take away that image staring back at you from the mirror the day after you murder your baby.

Is that what did it Bijou? Is that what pushed you over the edge of mental instability?
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Your insinuations and caveman-mentality hysteria do not elicit meaningful discussion, so you'll not get a thoughtful response from me.
 
Bijou said:
Oops. No cogent engagement from you = not worthy of a thoughtful response by me.

Try again.
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typical bijou response. when given logic and a rational argument, run away and proclaim yourself the winner.

the very fact we don't know for sure when life begins makes the baby's body relevant. how you can consider that not engaging your point is absolutely ludicrous and shows you're just an annoying troll who can't actually handle adult discussions.
 
enough said:
typical bijou response. when given logic and a rational argument, run away and proclaim yourself the winner.
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Wrong. You're going to see that when you post slime to me, you'll get nothing better back. See how that works?

the very fact we don't know for sure when life begins makes the baby's body relevant.
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Completely and utterly wrong. We know at what point the baby is viable without its mother and placenta. And that is the benchmark for when the baby's body becomes relevant. Up until then, it is a part of the mother, thus irrelevant. If she decides to terminate the pregnancy, so be it.

how you can consider that not engaging your point is absolutely ludicrous and shows you're just an annoying troll who can't actually handle adult discussions.
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Yes, how utterly ludicrous that you would expect a thoughtful response when you behave like swine. Just astonishing. :rofl2:
 
Bijou said:
Your insinuations and caveman-mentality hysteria do not elicit meaningful discussion, so you'll not get a thoughtful response from me.
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I don't think you can post a thoughtful response for anything...That's hard to do on Paxal, and Lithium.
 
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