Cites, sources, and general propaganda

[j-mac]

Over the course of several threads I have noticed several different questionable sources used as cites for information used by the left in their arguments, when they are not childishly attacking other members, and debate opponents. For as long as I can remember on the net, in different forums, one constant is that when a conservative uses an opinion, or a news article as sourcing for their opinion, it is instantly decried, and defamed by the left as instantly un-credible, and dismissed.

This tactic is, aside from being purely frustrating in civil debate, it is Alinsky tactic, and dishonest. And it should be noted that we as conservatives also do our own fair share of complaining about certain web sites as well, but the difference, and an important one, is that when we complain about sites like thinkprogress, dailyKOS, and lately the dangerous website 'thefogbow.com', which as a side note if I were an administrator of this site, would not allow to be used here. These are some of the original "obots" and, thugs and hackers that should you draw their eye, will stop and little including in person intimidation, and fraud to destroy you. An eye opening interview with a person known as "Tracy" who uncovered who the people behind thefogbow are, and their connections here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2011/06/24/the-andrea-shea-king-show

One thing I have to hand to progressives, is that they are absolute masters at concocting entangled webs of deceit to hide their tracks, so that others like Bijou here can say "prove it" "prove it" "prove it" and then add in the caveats about citing, and documenting all the way through while she and others continually dismiss anything in response.

On thinkprogress, we know who runs the site that would be John Podesta of Clinton fame, backed by George Soros. Here is the web they have constructed:

Think Progress is a "project" of the American Progress Action Fund (APAF), a "sister advocacy organization" of the John Podesta-led Center for American Progress (CAP) and CAP's entities such as Campus Progress. It also draws freely on the resources of the George Soros-funded Media Matters website edited by David Brock.

Think Progress is an Internet blog that "pushes back, daily," by its own account, against its conservative targets, and supports the APAF agenda: to transform "progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing and advocacy, and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world." Think Progress promotes an agenda identical to that of the left wing of the Democratic Party.

"What We're Fighting For," says the Think Progress website, are: "Social and Economic Justice," "Healthy Communities," "Global Leadership" and "A Secure America." These terms are code for an agenda that is anti-capitalist, suspicious of the American military, obsessed with multilateral restraints on U.S. power, and distributionist in domestic fiscal matters.

"What We're Fighting Against," says the Think Progress website, are: "Corrupt Establishment," "Incompetent Establishment," "Braindead Media," and "Radical Right-Wing Agenda.”

The editors and main bloggers of Think Progress are Judd Legum and Christy Harvey.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7121

Thinkprogress are not a truthful endeavor, instead they are dissemblers and propagandists that are out to lead the sheeple into their distorted manner of thinking.

TP exists by twisting, and outright lying about republicans...Like here:

This morning at a breakfast hosted by Politico, Mike Allen asked Eric Cantor about allegations of anti-Semitism in the House Republican caucus. The issue was originally raised by the press because Cantor donated $25,000 to a Republican candidate challenging incumbent Jim Manzullo of Illinois, who had once said that Cantor couldn’t be “saved” because he was Jewish.

Allen asked Cantor, “have you detected any anti-Semitism among members of Congress?” Cantor said “No,” and then stated that he “didn’t want to talk about those comments,” (presumably the Manzullo statement), calling it “the darker side” of politics. Allen continued to prod him, saying “so you’re saying there is a darker side,” and Cantor explained that he did believe there were problems of religious and racial intolerance in the U.S. When Allen came back at his general comments by saying, “we’re talking about the House Republican Caucus, not America,” Cantor didn’t respond.

Of course, Cantor’s negative response was entirely clear, and his office, when reached for comment, pointed to the fact that his answer was clearly, “no,” there is not evidence of anti-Semitism in Congress.

But that’s not what ThinkProgress got from the video, headlining their post with the spectacularly dishonest assertion, “Cantor Suggests Anti-Semitism Is A Problem Within The House GOP Caucus.”

The post elides the fact that Cantor said “no” to a question asking precisely that. TP reported, “Calling it the ‘darker side,’ Cantor responded to Politico’s Mike Allen’s question of whether there is anti-semitism in Congress by trying to avoid commenting.” While TP is understandably eager to portray the House GOP caucus as “the darker side,” they’re not just spinning his words, they’re lying...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/296524/thinkprogress-lies-about-cantors-com

Or this one...

Think Progess has a post up today on a recent townhall event held by Congressman Dan Lungren and what they think is a scathing indictment from a hostile audience member - click here for the post.
As it would happen, what the folks at Think Progress find to be so damning is nothing more than an incorrect assumption, if not outright lie. During question time at the town hall, the aforementioned audience member incorrectly portrays the Pledge as a promise to Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform. The spending interests on the Left repeatedly try to misinform the public with this tired and patently false claim. ATR noted the following earlier this year when similar lies were lobbed at Republican state legislators in California:
Critics wrongly contend that California legislators who signed the Pledge have vowed allegiance to some single person or organization. A quick read of the simple language of the Pledge proves such allegations to be false.


Read more: http://atr.org/progress-publishes-lies-taxpayer-protection-pledge-a6413#ixzz235g0hEmO

or here:

Think Progress (a misnomer if there ever was one) has a laundry list of lies, distortions, half truths and smears they have made on behalf of their benefactor, the Center for American Progress.

The people that run this site don’t think and their definition of progress is something you’ll find in bizarro world.

Adherence to the facts is something do not concern themselves with so it didn’t surprise me that they took a chance to politicize the awful shootings in Aurora Colorado. Nor did it surprise me to see them spreading falsehoods about the now defunct assault weapons ban, behaving as though this tragedy might not have taken place if the ban was still in place. It expired in 2004.

http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/07/think-progress-assault-weapons-ban/

so, the conclusion is that they at best are radical partisan hacks, at worst are just plain liars that could care less about their credibility.

There are legitimate debates that can be had about these topics, but when you are forced to see page after page of snark, insult, childish mockery, and outright lies in the form of sites like TP, fogbow, demo underground, or dailyKOS to mention a few, it is absolutely laughable when a liberal in here tries to mock their opponent for using an opinion represented as such, and distract the conversation in that manner.

Your sites are laughable libs, and are bare for all to see as the liars, and corrupt shills they are.

Thoughts.

 

[CanceledB]

Over the course of several threads I have noticed several different questionable sources used as cites for information used by the left in their arguments, when they are not childishly attacking other members, and debate opponents. For as long as I can remember on the net, in different forums, one constant is that when a conservative uses an opinion, or a news article as sourcing for their opinion, it is instantly decried, and defamed by the left as instantly un-credible, and dismissed.

This tactic is, aside from being purely frustrating in civil debate, it is Alinsky tactic, and dishonest. And it should be noted that we as conservatives also do our own fair share of complaining about certain web sites as well, but the difference, and an important one, is that when we complain about sites like thinkprogress, dailyKOS, and lately the dangerous website 'thefogbow.com', which as a side note if I were an administrator of this site, would not allow to be used here. These are some of the original "obots" and, thugs and hackers that should you draw their eye, will stop and little including in person intimidation, and fraud to destroy you. An eye opening interview with a person known as "Tracy" who uncovered who the people behind thefogbow are, and their connections here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2011/06/24/the-andrea-shea-king-show

One thing I have to hand to progressives, is that they are absolute masters at concocting entangled webs of deceit to hide their tracks, so that others like Bijou here can say "prove it" "prove it" "prove it" and then add in the caveats about citing, and documenting all the way through while she and others continually dismiss anything in response.

On thinkprogress, we know who runs the site that would be John Podesta of Clinton fame, backed by George Soros. Here is the web they have constructed:



Thinkprogress are not a truthful endeavor, instead they are dissemblers and propagandists that are out to lead the sheeple into their distorted manner of thinking.

TP exists by twisting, and outright lying about republicans...Like here:



Or this one...



or here:



so, the conclusion is that they at best are radical partisan hacks, at worst are just plain liars that could care less about their credibility.

There are legitimate debates that can be had about these topics, but when you are forced to see page after page of snark, insult, childish mockery, and outright lies in the form of sites like TP, fogbow, demo underground, or dailyKOS to mention a few, it is absolutely laughable when a liberal in here tries to mock their opponent for using an opinion represented as such, and distract the conversation in that manner.

Your sites are laughable libs, and are bare for all to see as the liars, and corrupt shills they are.

Thoughts.

My thoughts? How about ?

You bash liberal blogs by citing verbatim the opinions of - wait for it - conservative bloggers!

Come back when you actually have something. If this is your version of 'research', your credibility is every bit as laughable today as it was yesterday, maybe more so....

at any rate, lil' mac, you're always good for hearty guffaw!

 

[j-mac]

My thoughts? How about ?

You bash liberal blogs by citing verbatim the opinions of - wait for it - conservative bloggers!

Come back when you actually have something. If this is your version of 'research', your credibility is every bit as laughable today as it was yesterday, maybe more so....

at any rate, lil' mac, you're always good for hearty guffaw!

Typical response from you Bijou...Nothing in the op is refuted, instead going for the usual non response.

 

[CanceledB]

Typical response from you Bijou...Nothing in the op is refuted, instead going for the usual non response.

Back to the drawing board, son. You proved nothing beyond 'my blog's better than your blog'.

 

[j-mac]

Back to the drawing board, son. You proved nothing beyond 'my blog's better than your blog'.

So you can't address any of the articles, or the radio interview..? You're weak. All you are is a one trick pony, the only arrow in your quiver is to be as obnoxious and insulting as you can and hopefully that distracts....If that's all you got, then I suggest you study up, and return when you have something intelligent to say.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

LOL. Do rightwing bloggers cite any verifiable facts, or do they just link to each other and consider that "proof"?

 

[j-mac]

LOL. Do rightwing bloggers cite any verifiable facts, or do they just link to each other and consider that "proof"?

You mean like Harry Reid's claim? Oh, that's right, its all good when liberal hacks do it....

 

[CanceledB]

So you can't address any of the articles, or the radio interview..? You're weak. All you are is a one trick pony, the only arrow in your quiver is to be as obnoxious and insulting as you can and hopefully that distracts....If that's all you got, then I suggest you study up, and return when you have something intelligent to say.

Why would I waste my time? Your sources and blogger-opinions are shit. When you actually post something verifiable, we'll talk. Try again.

 

[j-mac]

Why would I waste my time? Your sources and blogger-opinions are shit. When you actually post something verifiable, we'll talk. Try again.

Then don't post...Do all of us a favor.

 

[CanceledB]

Then don't post...Do all of us a favor.

Do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. I'm not going anywhere, j-mac. If my presence and posts hurt you so bad, you have options, you know.

 

[Howey]

LOL. Do rightwing bloggers cite any verifiable facts, or do they just link to each other and consider that "proof"?

There's a term for that.

It's called the right wing Circle Jerk Of Attribution.©

 

[j-mac]

Do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. I'm not going anywhere, j-mac. If my presence and posts hurt you so bad, you have options, you know.

"Hurt me"? What an odd assertion....nah, you're like a gnat flying around. Largely inconsequential to most things buy annoying none the less, and if I were talking to a group, while your kind was buzzing around all you'd hear is the *thwack* of the rolled up newspaper as it smashed you to the table....I don't put you on ignore Bijou because I hold out hope...Yes, that's right, I am an optimist...Not that I will ever change your mind or anything, but rather that you will get back on your meds some day and chill enough to have a rational conversation.

See, sometime back in one of our back and forth's, I was ribbing you about you being bi-polar, and Darla tipped your hand, by inquiring if I knew you or something...Now, it's no giant deal if you are, I have great empathy for someone in your circumstance. But, I can also spot the delusional ranting of a manic state which you project quite clearly.

I also feel bad for feeding into it to some extent, but Bijou, you really do need to face it, you need to speak to your therapist, and your Doc, to adjust your meds. If you aren't attacking other posters, you are just making no sense with smilies, and dumb ass comments that have nothing to do with the topic.

Get help girl...I worry about you.

 

[CanceledB]

"Hurt me"? What an odd assertion....nah, you're like a gnat flying around. Largely inconsequential to most things buy annoying none the less, and if I were talking to a group, while your kind was buzzing around all you'd hear is the *thwack* of the rolled up newspaper as it smashed you to the table....I don't put you on ignore Bijou because I hold out hope...Yes, that's right, I am an optimist...Not that I will ever change your mind or anything, but rather that you will get back on your meds some day and chill enough to have a rational conversation.

See, sometime back in one of our back and forth's, I was ribbing you about you being bi-polar, and Darla tipped your hand, by inquiring if I knew you or something...Now, it's no giant deal if you are, I have great empathy for someone in your circumstance. But, I can also spot the delusional ranting of a manic state which you project quite clearly.

I also feel bad for feeding into it to some extent, but Bijou, you really do need to face it, you need to speak to your therapist, and your Doc, to adjust your meds. If you aren't attacking other posters, you are just making no sense with smilies, and dumb ass comments that have nothing to do with the topic.

Get help girl...I worry about you.

You need to get over me, j-mac. You're waaaaay too caught up in the little drama in your head about this.

 

[ekg]

You mean like Harry Reid's claim? Oh, that's right, its all good when liberal hacks do it....

actually he has a point.. There was a thread on here recently that mentioned something from Tucker Carlson site.. before commenting on it, I checked to see if it was anywhere else since Carlson, if you didn't know, has already been caught pretending to be people's he's not..

anyway, every 'site' with the story all linked back to Tucker's.. and all were pretty 'right wing'.. So I just ignored the story as more Tucker bullshit..

I don't see that happen much with liberal sites... I'm not saying it doesn't happen, because I'm sure you could whip out an example.. but most of the time if the story looks to good to be true, when it's on a right-wing blog, it is.. because 5 other blogs may pick it up, but they're all just quoting that one source with nothing independent of that original site..

as for TP or Kos.. everything I've ever seen from them I've seen on other more 'center-leaning' sites.. just because it's LSM doesn't mean it's not true... but I wouldn't just take their word for it either, I'd check around because I expect them to be liberal..I can put my own liberal slant on something, I don't need any one else to do it for me.. LOL

unfortunately the right does have the history (fox does it the most).. of starting a story(or leaking it) in the morning and then later in the day say "People are talking about..." and by night time it's full blown news.. when it was never news to begin with just rumor the started,nurtured, and reported all on their own..Cheney did this, a lot. He'd leak a story then go on the TV rounds quoting that story like it was real news... I haven't noticed that from the left. You may not like Maddow's delivery, but she's telling stuff that is verifiable, not so much with places like Brietbart or Fox...

I'll use a source or take a source from another.. if there some 'back-up' to it.. even if it's a 'blog'.. I blog and source my material.. I don't just make claims that aren't backed up somehow... I expect the same from others.. my bitch is when someone just spews shit and refuses to cite any source at all.. that's also kind of retarded and brings down civil debate.. no?

 

[Howey]

You need to get over me, j-mac. You're waaaaay too caught up in the little drama in your head about this.

He's about to have a Yurt-style meltdown...

 

[CanceledB]

unfortunately the right does have the history (fox does it the most).. of starting a story(or leaking it) in the morning and then later in the day say "People are talking about..." and by night time it's full blown news.. when it was never news to begin with just rumor the started,nurtured, and reported all on their own..Cheney did this, a lot.

Cheney did it on steroids.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

You mean like Harry Reid's claim? Oh, that's right, its all good when liberal hacks do it....

It is?

 

[j-mac]

You need to get over me, j-mac. You're waaaaay too caught up in the little drama in your head about this.

good grief...You stalk me, hanging on my every word, and I am too caught up on you? Meds Bijou, meds.....get help.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

good grief...You stalk me, hanging on my every word, and I am too caught up on you? Meds Bijou, meds.....get help.

.

He's about to have a Yurt-style meltdown...

 

[j-mac]

actually he has a point.. There was a thread on here recently that mentioned something from Tucker Carlson site.. before commenting on it, I checked to see if it was anywhere else since Carlson, if you didn't know, has already been caught pretending to be people's he's not..

anyway, every 'site' with the story all linked back to Tucker's.. and all were pretty 'right wing'.. So I just ignored the story as more Tucker bullshit..

I don't see that happen much with liberal sites... I'm not saying it doesn't happen, because I'm sure you could whip out an example.. but most of the time if the story looks to good to be true, when it's on a right-wing blog, it is.. because 5 other blogs may pick it up, but they're all just quoting that one source with nothing independent of that original site..

as for TP or Kos.. everything I've ever seen from them I've seen on other more 'center-leaning' sites.. just because it's LSM doesn't mean it's not true... but I wouldn't just take their word for it either, I'd check around because I expect them to be liberal..I can put my own liberal slant on something, I don't need any one else to do it for me.. LOL

unfortunately the right does have the history (fox does it the most).. of starting a story(or leaking it) in the morning and then later in the day say "People are talking about..." and by night time it's full blown news.. when it was never news to begin with just rumor the started,nurtured, and reported all on their own..Cheney did this, a lot. He'd leak a story then go on the TV rounds quoting that story like it was real news... I haven't noticed that from the left. You may not like Maddow's delivery, but she's telling stuff that is verifiable, not so much with places like Brietbart or Fox...

I'll use a source or take a source from another.. if there some 'back-up' to it.. even if it's a 'blog'.. I blog and source my material.. I don't just make claims that aren't backed up somehow... I expect the same from others.. my bitch is when someone just spews shit and refuses to cite any source at all.. that's also kind of retarded and brings down civil debate.. no?

good post ekg. I can agree that Fox also has stories that I hear and yell bull shit at the screen about. But this is really less about Liberal hatred for FOXNews, or Conservative hatred for MSNBC, as much as it is about how groups like the Soros backed thinkprogress, or Markos at dailyKOS are propagandists with an agenda to change this country to a more socialistic model against the will of the people. I know you disagree, but I respect your post, it was well written and thought out...Thank you.