should the ethanol in fuel mandate be waived due to the drought

Corn remains plentiful as well as other plants, algae and grasses that do equally as well and sometimes better and cheaper in creating ethanol. The market will adjust accordingly, right?
 
No corn for ethanol use!

You should never use a major food source, such as corn to produce something like ethanol?!!
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Petitioning the EPA could also prove hard. In 2008, another drought year, Perry asked the agency to waive half of that year's mandate of 9 billion gallons of ethanol to be mixed into fuel.

The EPA turned the request down saying economic damage would have to be severe. In addition, the EPA signaled that future petitions would have to demonstrate that implementation of the mandate itself was causing the economic harm, not just contributing to it.

An EPA spokeswoman said on Friday the agency had not received any waiver petitions. If the EPA does get a request, it could take months for it to decide, as a public comment period and assembling a case for or against any petition takes time.

Even if the EPA granted a waiver, it is not certain that would have a big impact on corn prices. Bruce Babcock, an agricultural economist at Iowa State University of Iowa, said removing the mandate may only cut corn prices about 28 cents per bushel, or about 4.6 percent
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The Department of Agriculture forecast this week that food prices would rise as much as 3.5 percent this year and another 3 percent to 4 percent next year, outpacing other consumer costs, as the drought destroys crops and hits supplies
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About 40 percent of the corn crop is used to make ethanol, although distillers do recycle some byproducts to make animal feed
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frigging DC -we'd all be better off if it sank into the swamp it's built on. Just look at these redacts - EPA is inflexable, as are most bureaurcrats.

It's MANIFEST using CORN in a year when yeilds may plummet by HALF, to create ethanol, which doesn't effect the price of gas, is beyond stupid.
But the EPA says " It helps reduce foreign imports". Ya well, try feeding gasoline to livestock.

Fucking 'Tards.
 
if your goal is to completely eliminate ethanol production then it would be wise to cut ethanol subsidies at a time when ethanol producers are paying high prices to corn producers.....you would also successfully cut the throats of American farmers....then you could subsidize the starving American farmers who've already been hit by drought at a cost twice as high as the ethanol subsidy.......a win/win situation for liberals.....
 
WAIT! This was one of the great liberal brainstorms on how we could solve our energy problems, wasn't it? Isn't that why we're doing it? Conservatives tried to tell you at the time, it was a ridiculous idea, but you told us you were smarter about this stuff, and we should keep our ignorant hick mouths shut, because we obviously didn't know what we were talking about. When Obama was elected, he dumped billions of stimulus money into Ethanol, promising all these new green jobs. Ethanol was his "shining example" of how this was the way of the future. Again, conservatives told you it wouldn't work, it was stupid and short-sighted, and full of pitfalls. And again, conservatives were hooted down and treated like scientific illiterates.

Now, suddenly, pinheads want to turn on Ethanol? This is SHOCKING! :eek2:
 
Gatorman said:
Corn remains plentiful as well as other plants, algae and grasses that do equally as well and sometimes better and cheaper in creating ethanol. The market will adjust accordingly, right?
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Given that they receive subsidies, the market is not allowed to adjust accordingly. How sad for you
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually, ethanol subsidies started in 96.....Obama lowered them and pumped money into Solendra instead.....
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Actually ethanol has been subsidized since the 1960s if you count tax benefits and why shouldn't we count tax benefits?

At the end of the day, corn based ethanol could not survive in the free market and it is even more polluting than gasoline.

Given their level of failure and incompetence why would anyone listen to a liberal?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???...what are you talking about?.....can you document anyone even discussing ethanol in the 60s let alone subsidizing it?......
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Actually that was a typo. It was meant to be the 70s.

Te first federal subsidy of ethanol amounted to a $0.40/gallon subsidy and occurred in 1978.

Don't take my word for it, look at the record.

I humbly accept your concession and applogy
 
FactsRStubborn said:
Actually that was a typo. It was meant to be the 70s.

Te first federal subsidy of ethanol amounted to a $0.40/gallon subsidy and occurred in 1978.

Don't take my word for it, look at the record.

I humbly accept your concession and applogy
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I should apologize because you made a mistake?.....that's not how it used to work....

we first began seeing construction of ethanol plants utilizing corn by products in the mid 90s.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
I should apologize because you made a mistake?.....that's not how it used to work....

we first began seeing construction of ethanol plants utilizing corn by products in the mid 90s.....
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If you go back, you states that ethanol subsidies started in 1996. That was incorrect. I mistakenly typed 1960s instead of 1970s, but clearly I am still right that ethanol was subsidized long before 1996.

Interestingly enough the whole ethanol lkick started after campaign finance reform and the start of the primary process which led to Iowa kicking things off. Coincidence? Maybe.

But if you want to be willfully ignorant that isn't my problem
 
FactsRStubborn said:
If you go back, you states that ethanol subsidies started in 1996. That was incorrect. I mistakenly typed 1960s instead of 1970s, but clearly I am still right that ethanol was subsidized long before 1996.

Interestingly enough the whole ethanol lkick started after campaign finance reform and the start of the primary process which led to Iowa kicking things off. Coincidence? Maybe.

But if you want to be willfully ignorant that isn't my problem
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you can pretend about typos all you want, but it's obvious you know jack shit about ethanol and subsidies......I'll cut you some slack this time.....
 
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