Okay, I see your point with that. I will say this much - regardless of what group from whence this fringe scum hails, what is suggested in the billboard is despicable.
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Loser Libertarian Compares Obama to Aurora Shooter
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Okay, I see your point with that. I will say this much - regardless of what group from whence this fringe scum hails, what is suggested in the billboard is despicable.
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You're a crybaby who's playing dumb. Your assessment of my intelligence carries zero weight. Go comfort yourself with your gun collection.
Perhaps if you participated in a civil discussion, we might have an easier time communicating. Or at least when you claim I am hysterical you should try not to look more hysterical in your own posts.
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Okay, I see your point with that. I will say this much - regardless of what group from whence this fringe scum hails, what is suggested in the billboard is despicable.
Thank you.
Perhaps if you participated in a civil discussion, we might have an easier time communicating. Or at least when you claim I am hysterical you should try not to look more hysterical in your own posts.
Worry about your side of the street and I'll attend to mine.
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Worry about your side of the street and I'll attend to mine.
And you will follow this same advice?
And you will follow this same advice?
Cite where I tell you how to post to others.
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Cite where I tell you how to post to others.
My mistake. I simply saw you talk about me being hsyterical. I saw no indication that I was doing anything but posting my thoughts. Then you go off on a post that certainly looked very angry. I thought I would point out what had happened.
My mistake. I simply saw you talk about me being hsyterical. I saw no indication that I was doing anything but posting my thoughts. Then you go off on a post that certainly looked very angry. I thought I would point out what had happened.
This is a written medium. Words are all we have (okay, and emoticons). I write with economy, and often am interpreted as 'angry' because I don't go to great pains to soften my delivery when I'm making a point. My exchange with Billy yesterday got heated and I wound up offending him which, unfortunately, happens frequently on forums where deeply-held principles are discussed and debated. Still fresh, he saw my post about the billboard as an 'in' to another provocation. I'm not interested. His tactic is to play dumb. Again - I'm not interested. He's very obviously still bugged about yesterday's discussion. He's a big boy; he'll get over it.
"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer
Amazing the hatred our president evokes in some people. Jeremy Waldron has an interesting book on hate speech and how it is handled in Europe and other places as compared to here. A review comment on it is below. But the surprising thing in much of the hatred of Obama is that it is completely irrelevant to anything Obama has done. It is rather about loss, change, and the bitterness of the 2008 race and the power of what I would call hate speech aimed at our president by the right wing propaganda machine.
"So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101401
Amazing the hatred our president evokes in some people. Jeremy Waldron has an interesting book on hate speech and how it is handled in Europe and other places as compared to here. A review comment on it is below. But the surprising thing in much of the hatred of Obama is that it is completely irrelevant to anything Obama has done. It is rather about loss, change, and the bitterness of the 2008 race and the power of what I would call hate speech aimed at our president by the right wing propaganda machine.
"So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101401
Or the claims that Charleton Heston and Wayne LaPierre are responsible for the Aurora theater shootings or murders in general?
Do you mean the NRA? My belief is that the NRA is partly responsible for mass killings based upon their non-support of limiting guns whose sole purpose is to kill people fast.
yeah, it's not like any of our presidents has ordered drone strikes and killed hundreds of innocent civilians in order to facilitate the death of one terrorist, ever.
There's a big difference between killing of civilians used as a shield by dictators and the deaths of over a 100,000 Iraq's based upon a lie.
To be fair, I was virulently anti-war during the Bush years, and truly hated his foreign policy in general. But, Obama has been a great disappointment in this regard - sure, he hasn't started a major conflict like Iraq, but he was slow to get out of there, and we're still in Afghanistan.
And you're certainly right about the double-standard; Bush had stuff like the billboard in the OP thrown at him every week.
To be fair, Obama's hands were tied. He could have ordered the return of all our troops at the risk of the right wing going bezerk. He could have tried to send in more troops and get the job done earlier, which would have sent the right wing bezerk. His hands were tied. His only choice was to speed up the timetable and get us out as soon as possible.
As far as Bush billboards, show us.
So this makes Libertarians "fringe scum"? So all the times the same thing was done with George Bush makes democrats mainstream scum?
You answered your own question. Those protesting Bush's responsibility for the deaths of over 5000 Americans and over 100,000 Iraqi's weren't fringe. They were mainstream America. Sick of a war based upon lies.
Okay, I see your point with that. I will say this much - regardless of what group from whence this fringe scum hails, what is suggested in the billboard is despicable.
Even Republicans in Idaho are condemning the billboard.
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To be fair, I was virulently anti-war during the Bush years, and truly hated his foreign policy in general. But, Obama has been a great disappointment in this regard - sure, he hasn't started a major conflict like Iraq, but he was slow to get out of there, and we're still in Afghanistan.
And you're certainly right about the double-standard; Bush had stuff like the billboard in the OP thrown at him every week.
you finally admit the double standard about bush? LOL. after all the times when someone on the right points it out, you claim they LOVE bush.
poor onceler, his logic gets the best of him.
it is ironic that obama won the peace prize though....
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Do you mean the NRA? My belief is that the NRA is partly responsible for mass killings based upon their non-support of limiting guns whose sole purpose is to kill people fast.
There's a big difference between killing of civilians used as a shield by dictators and the deaths of over a 100,000 Iraq's based upon a lie.
To be fair, Obama's hands were tied. He could have ordered the return of all our troops at the risk of the right wing going bezerk. He could have tried to send in more troops and get the job done earlier, which would have sent the right wing bezerk. His hands were tied. His only choice was to speed up the timetable and get us out as soon as possible.
So how many sons and daughters have died so Obama didn't anger the right wing? He campaigned on a promise to bring our soldiers home. Now he doesn't and you blame the right wingers? lol I gotta hand it to you, that takes some acrobatics of logic to blame the right on this one.
If you are blaming the NRA for the deaths at the hands of lunatocs, do you credit them with some of the times ordinary civilians used guns to stop crimes?
you finally admit the double standard about bush? LOL. after all the times when someone on the right points it out, you claim they LOVE bush.
poor onceler, his logic gets the best of him.
it is ironic that obama won the peace prize though....
You always talk about the double-standard in the media, or in general.
I'm speaking about this particular instance. It's funny how you're always in it for the "gotcha" though. Very telling.
So how many sons and daughters have died so Obama didn't anger the right wing? He campaigned on a promise to bring our soldiers home. Now he doesn't and you blame the right wingers? lol I gotta hand it to you, that takes some acrobatics of logic to blame the right on this one.
If you are blaming the NRA for the deaths at the hands of lunatocs, do you credit them with some of the times ordinary civilians used guns to stop crimes?
Absolutely not! NRA-written laws that created the so-called "Stand your ground" laws (not Castle Doctrine) have resulted in double digit increases in the murder rate in states where they've been enacted.
At a time when the overall U.S. homicide rate is declining, more civilians are killing each other and claiming self-defense—a trend that is most pronounced in states with new "stand your ground" laws...
It's the wild, wild, west out there with citizens becoming law enforcement officers, jury and judge all in one, killing someone who may or may not be guilty. Here in Florida the numbers are horrendous:
Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which allows people to defend themselves from danger without the need to first try to get away, an analysis of state data shows deaths due to self defense are up over 200 percent since the law took effect.
You always talk about the double-standard in the media, or in general.
I'm speaking about this particular instance. It's funny how you're always in it for the "gotcha" though. Very telling.
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Absolutely not! NRA-written laws that created the so-called "Stand your ground" laws (not Castle Doctrine) have resulted in double digit increases in the murder rate in states where they've been enacted.
It's the wild, wild, west out there with citizens becoming law enforcement officers, jury and judge all in one, killing someone who may or may not be guilty. Here in Florida the numbers are horrendous:
"There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.
Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms (text, PDF). Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually."
At least 1.5 million defensive gun uses per year. That is how many times people in our country use a gun to defend themselves or to stop a crime.
You're welcome.
Also, according to one of your links, the number of justifiable homicides rose from an average of 12 per year to an average of 35 per year. Percentage wise, that looks like a huge increase. But it is actually 23 more in a state with a population of almost 20 million.
Also, since these were listed as "justifiable homicides" they were not simply murders, but use of deadly force to protect themselves or someone else.
How many of those 23 shooters would have been murder victims in the past?
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TE=Howey;1047419]Absolutely not! NRA-written laws that created the so-called "Stand your ground" laws (not Castle Doctrine) have resulted in double digit increases in the murder rate in states where they've been enacted.
NRA writes laws? have you ever studied our government/
btw...what your link doesn't support your contention that the "murder rate" increased. you're a liar or can't read. according to YOUR OWN link:
So-called justifiable homicides nearly doubled from 2000 to 2010, the most ...
try not to lie when you give a link. you'll have more credibility.
It's the wild, wild, west out there with citizens becoming law enforcement officers, jury and judge all in one, killing someone who may or may not be guilty. Here in Florida the numbers are horrendous:[/
you're seriously deluded. in the wild wild west....there often was no one to judge whether you killed someone within the law or not. here...we have specific laws, backed with a law force and legal system.
study history sometime howey. you will also gain more credibility this way.
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You always talk about the double-standard in the media, or in general.
I'm speaking about this particular instance. It's funny how you're always in it for the "gotcha" though. Very telling.
lol. when you get busted....deny it and then claim i do it all the time.
FACT: you tell people like damo, SF, myself and others.....they LOVE (and yes, you put love in CAPS) bush when the point out the very same thing you point out.
good lord. you really don't see it, do you? you literally accuse others of loving bush for doing exactly what you just did.
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Absolutely not! NRA-written laws that created the so-called "Stand your ground" laws (not Castle Doctrine) have resulted in double digit increases in the murder rate in states where they've been enacted.
It's the wild, wild, west out there with citizens becoming law enforcement officers, jury and judge all in one, killing someone who may or may not be guilty. Here in Florida the numbers are horrendous:
so you would prefer that women are raped, kids are molested, people are robbed and assaulted, than to have them defend themselves with weapons because you hate the NRA?
lol. when you get busted....deny it and then claim i do it all the time.
FACT: you tell people like damo, SF, myself and others.....they LOVE (and yes, you put love in CAPS) bush when the point out the very same thing you point out.
good lord. you really don't see it, do you? you literally accuse others of loving bush for doing exactly what you just did.
Poor Yurt, with the false equivalencies.
You're really desperate for the "gotcha." I almost want to let you have it, because it's so sad to see you flailing like this.
But this isn't what Bush lovers like you talk about. Your love for Bush is actually something very unique. I'm just talking about the billboard & reaction on this thread to its contents.
"There are approximately two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by law abiding citizens. That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. Prior to Dr. Kleck's survey, thirteen other surveys indicated a range of between 800,000 to 2.5 million DGU's annually. However these surveys each had their flaws which prompted Dr. Kleck to conduct his own study specifically tailored to estimate the number of DGU's annually.
Subsequent to Kleck's study, the Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms (text, PDF). Using a smaller sample size than Kleck's, this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually."
At least 1.5 million defensive gun uses per year. That is how many times people in our country use a gun to defend themselves or to stop a crime.
You're welcome.
Also, according to one of your links, the number of justifiable homicides rose from an average of 12 per year to an average of 35 per year. Percentage wise, that looks like a huge increase. But it is actually 23 more in a state with a population of almost 20 million.
Also, since these were listed as "justifiable homicides" they were not simply murders, but use of deadly force to protect themselves or someone else.
How many of those 23 shooters would have been murder victims in the past?
1993? That's long before these laws. Find something newer.