Fatal shooting at Denver screening of The Dark Knight Rises

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well then here is the answer, a levy should be paid on every gun so that it can go towards the institutionalisation and all round better healthcare for the mentally ill.

Or we can NOT do that.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Well then here is the answer, a levy should be paid on every gun so that it can go towards the institutionalisation and all round better healthcare for the mentally ill.

Let us know how that works out, in England.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Let us know how that works out, in England.

We have a National Health Service which is free at the point of delivery and guns are not freely available as in the USA.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

We have a National Health Service which is free at the point of delivery and guns are not freely available as in the USA.

Which has nothing to do with your suggestion; but then, the English willingly gave up their guns and their balls at the same time.

And it's not free at delivery.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

We have a National Health Service which is free at the point of delivery and guns are not freely available as in the USA.

You'd be kinda fucked if the Brits paid for mental health care with proceeds from gun sales, wouldn't you? Wait... maybe THAT is your problem??

You guys need to adopt a 2nd Amendment like us, then you can have a way to pay for mental health, and maybe you could get some help?

 

[cancel2 2022]

Which has nothing to do with your suggestion; but then, the English willingly gave up their guns and their balls at the same time.

It has everything to do with my suggestion, the mentally ill are automatically taken care of in the UK because there no third parties like insurance companies to worry about.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It has everything to do with my suggestion, the mentally ill are automatically taken care of in the UK because there no third parties like insurance companies to worry about.

But it's not free at delivery and the English have no guns to place a tax on.

 

[cancel2 2022]

But it's not free at delivery and the English have no guns to place a tax on.

The whole point of the NHS is that it is free, at the point of delivery. It is paid for via National Insurance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance

 

[USFREEDOM911]

The whole point of the NHS is that it is free, at the point of delivery.

But it's not free, at delivery.

 

[cancel2 2022]

But it's not free, at delivery.

If you came to the UK and needed emergency treatment you would get that free as well. Aren't we nice people?

In the UK, medical treatment for emergencies is always free – regardless of your nationality, how long you’ve been in the UK, or any other factors. So, for instance, if you fall, break your leg, and have to be taken in an ambulance to A&E, you won’t have to pay for the immediate NHS treatment you receive. It’s important to note, though, that if you enter hospital through an A&E department and then need to receive care from another part of the hospital, then this further treatment may not be free for everyone.

http://www.avert.org/freenhs.htm

 

[j-mac]

If you came to the UK and needed emergency treatment you would get that free as well. Aren't we nice people?



http://www.avert.org/freenhs.htm

Ah yes...Wonderful people, and so humble as well...

Despite the attempts to get the public finances under control in the short-term, pension and health care threatens to blow a hole in the national debt in the next few decades. The International Monetary Fund has estimated that the fiscal implications of ageing populations would be almost 10 times the cost of the financial crisis.

The UK high public debt levels, projected to hit 70pc of GDP in 2013, could make the ageing problem have "a more profound impact and sooner", Maplecroft said. Siobhan Tuohy, a research analyst, added: "It is increasingly likely that the private sector will be called upon to contribute in the form of pensions and private health care."

A similar warning was made last November by the Office for Budget Responsibility, the UK's official forecasting body, which predicted that without reform public debt will rise to 100pc of GDP within 40 years despite the current austerity drive. Last week, Lord Warner, a government adviser drafting new plans for the elderly care system, suggested baby-boomers should be prepared to pay for their care rather than expect the taxpayer to foot the bill.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-extreme-risk-of-another-economic-crisis.html

Hmmmm...So the English oh so wonderful universal health care is breaking the country, so they are running from it, in favor of shifting toward private health care...Yeah..Tell us again how wonderful high taxation, and nationalized health care is for the country? Tell us again how it will lower costs?

 

[cancel2 2022]

Ah yes...Wonderful people, and so humble as well...




Hmmmm...So the English oh so wonderful universal health care is breaking the country, so they are running from it, in favor of shifting toward private health care...Yeah..Tell us again how wonderful high taxation, and nationalized health care is for the country? Tell us again how it will lower costs?

US national debt is running at 71% of GDP.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/25/how-much-debt-is-too-much/

 

[cancel2 2022]

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/25/how-much-debt-is-too-much/

US national debt is running at 71% of GDP. That article by the way is talking about healthcare for the elderly in care homes, which is means tested.

 

[Phantasmal]

You'd be kinda fucked if the Brits paid for mental health care with proceeds from gun sales, wouldn't you? Wait... maybe THAT is your problem??

You guys need to adopt a 2nd Amendment like us, then you can have a way to pay for mental health, and maybe you could get some help?

Hasn't worked for you.

 

[christiefan915]

Well there's a big old nasty flaw, then. Too many nuts have guns. Now we know how that happened.

And that's why Aurora incidents will continue. And people will continue to whine and act shocked over it when it's clearly to be expected, since nutjobs have gun rights.

Amen.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – When John Shick entered Western Psych he was armed with a box of ammunition and two handguns, which were later found by his prone body.
Investigators initially said the guns had been stolen, but it turns out they were purchased from a gun dealer in Albuquerque, N.M., in April of last year.

The seller believes he sold both firearms plus a holster to a man matching John Shick’s Shick’s purchase of the guns was, on the surface, legal — even though he was involuntarily committed in Oregon in December 2009 after a melee with police.

It is illegal to sell a gun to someone with a mental illness who has been involuntarily committed, but Oregon is one of many states that apparently has not given that information over to a national database. “Only 13 states have laws which authorize the reporting of mental health records to the database,” said District Attorney Stephen Zappala. Without a comprehensive national database, Zappala said people with a history of mental illness simply need to purchase their guns in a state where they were not committed.

“That’s politics at the highest level,” said Zappala. “The last time there was meaningful discussion of this was after the Virginia Tech shootings.”
Prior to shooting 32 people at Virginia Tech in April 2007, the gunman purchased several firearms even though the courts ruled him a danger to himself and ordered him into treatment three years before.

And though calls for a comprehensive national database of the mentally ill grew out of the tragedy, states still have the option of not participating.
It is far from clear that even if Shick was denied access to guns in New Mexico that this tragedy would have been averted, but authorities hope this will refocus attention to the mentally ill and their access to firearms."

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012...ews-debate-over-mentally-ills-access-to-guns/

 

[leaningright]

Amen.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – When John Shick entered Western Psych he was armed with a box of ammunition and two handguns, which were later found by his prone body.
Investigators initially said the guns had been stolen, but it turns out they were purchased from a gun dealer in Albuquerque, N.M., in April of last year.

The seller believes he sold both firearms plus a holster to a man matching John Shick’s Shick’s purchase of the guns was, on the surface, legal — even though he was involuntarily committed in Oregon in December 2009 after a melee with police.

It is illegal to sell a gun to someone with a mental illness who has been involuntarily committed, but Oregon is one of many states that apparently has not given that information over to a national database. “Only 13 states have laws which authorize the reporting of mental health records to the database,” said District Attorney Stephen Zappala. Without a comprehensive national database, Zappala said people with a history of mental illness simply need to purchase their guns in a state where they were not committed.

“That’s politics at the highest level,” said Zappala. “The last time there was meaningful discussion of this was after the Virginia Tech shootings.”
Prior to shooting 32 people at Virginia Tech in April 2007, the gunman purchased several firearms even though the courts ruled him a danger to himself and ordered him into treatment three years before.

And though calls for a comprehensive national database of the mentally ill grew out of the tragedy, states still have the option of not participating.
It is far from clear that even if Shick was denied access to guns in New Mexico that this tragedy would have been averted, but authorities hope this will refocus attention to the mentally ill and their access to firearms."

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012...ews-debate-over-mentally-ills-access-to-guns/

I may get some opposition from some of my allies but this is common sense to me. An approach to solve this would be making previous mental illness and/or institunalization due to mental illness a part of the instantaneous background checks. Some may holler about someone's right to privacy but the effort to keep weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill (just like criminals) trumps privacy, IMO. But then I wasn't against ALL of the Patriot Act.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Amen.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – When John Shick entered Western Psych he was armed with a box of ammunition and two handguns, which were later found by his prone body.
Investigators initially said the guns had been stolen, but it turns out they were purchased from a gun dealer in Albuquerque, N.M., in April of last year.

The seller believes he sold both firearms plus a holster to a man matching John Shick’s Shick’s purchase of the guns was, on the surface, legal — even though he was involuntarily committed in Oregon in December 2009 after a melee with police.

It is illegal to sell a gun to someone with a mental illness who has been involuntarily committed, but Oregon is one of many states that apparently has not given that information over to a national database. “Only 13 states have laws which authorize the reporting of mental health records to the database,” said District Attorney Stephen Zappala. Without a comprehensive national database, Zappala said people with a history of mental illness simply need to purchase their guns in a state where they were not committed.

“That’s politics at the highest level,” said Zappala. “The last time there was meaningful discussion of this was after the Virginia Tech shootings.”
Prior to shooting 32 people at Virginia Tech in April 2007, the gunman purchased several firearms even though the courts ruled him a danger to himself and ordered him into treatment three years before.

And though calls for a comprehensive national database of the mentally ill grew out of the tragedy, states still have the option of not participating.
It is far from clear that even if Shick was denied access to guns in New Mexico that this tragedy would have been averted, but authorities hope this will refocus attention to the mentally ill and their access to firearms."

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012...ews-debate-over-mentally-ills-access-to-guns/

so you want to federalize a database of involuntarily committed individuals to prevent them from buying guns from an FFL dealer and all it takes to be involuntarily committed is to have the cops deliver someone to a psych facility for whatever reason??????

 

[christiefan915]

so you want to federalize a database of involuntarily committed individuals to prevent them from buying guns from an FFL dealer and all it takes to be involuntarily committed is to have the cops deliver someone to a psych facility for whatever reason??????

He wouldn't be prohibited from buying just because he was involuntarily committed one time, but because of his long and documented history in the mental health system. His doctors in both CA and PA emailed about their fears that he was dangerous. Should a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of volatile behaviour be allowed to have guns?

Read this article at the link: John Shick case tragic in more ways than one

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/tony-norman/shick-case-tragic-in-more-ways-than-one-634899/#ixzz21pkFcZme

 

[CanceledB]

so you want to federalize a database of involuntarily committed individuals to prevent them from buying guns from an FFL dealer and all it takes to be involuntarily committed is to have the cops deliver someone to a psych facility for whatever reason??????

Sounds like a good place to start.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

US national debt is running at 71% of GDP.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/25/how-much-debt-is-too-much/

why not use the whole sentence from your link?....

U.S. national debt is currently about 71 percent of GDP—plus an additional 31 percent of GDP of “in-house” debt that the U.S. Treasury owes to the Social Security trust fund and similar funds.