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[CanceledB]

no, you're a coward because you refuse to recognize your inalienable rights, preferring instead to let the government tell you what your rights are.

That the discussion about - and distinction between - real and inalienable rights was too complex for you to grasp has obviously rendered you incapable of engaging productively here; hence your simplistic (and erroneous) assessment of my perception; the shortcoming is yours, not mine.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Do you want them back?

It's apparent that they probably aren't available to be returned; seeing as now the English lost their back bones and allowed the Government to collect and then destroy them.

 

[Lowaicue]

In order to believe this nonsense that it isn't a personal freedom one must very deliberately pretend that when they said "The People" in every other part of the constitution they meant something different than when they said "The People" in the Bill of Rights and if such is the case they must begin to interpret the constitution to mean that only specific "people", whatever "interpretation" you may have that accounts for that word, have the rights that we all believe we have granted by our Creator.

Ipso facto you have no rights.

 

[CanceledB]

Ipso facto you have no rights.

This guy gets it.

 

[Phantasmal]

this is so wrong.....I have rights, whether law protects it or not because I protect my rights.....with guns.

Ahahaha, like I said, until someone with a bigger gun or more guns or a better shot takes that right away! Good luck with your extra bad self.

 

[Lowaicue]

HHH was a founding father???? lol...


Sorry, I missed this post. It fails. None of those words are in the Constitution, are they? No. Especially Humphrey's. *giggle*

Fact is, you're basing your argument on a literal interpretation of the Constitution, not letters or statements of the founding fathers. If they wanted something in the Constitution, it would have been there. So obviously there were other founding fathers against arming all the citizens.

Madison put the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights as a compromise to shut up the states who were fearful of a national government. And we all know how limited the Constitution left the states, don't we?

Here's another quote:

"The difficult job in open cases where there is no clear answer is to take those values in this document, which all Americans hold, which do not change, and to apply them to a world that is ever changing...It's not a matter of policy. It is a matter of what those framers intended."

That's from Justice Stephen Breyer

You live in a society in which something like 50% of the people believe the bible as literally true. That many of the same people cannot see the problems in ignoring the passage of time and the intent and knowledge when the document was written comes as no surprise.

 

[Phantasmal]

they will have to kill me, or die trying. that's the difference between men like me, and cowards like you. you'll drop to your knees and surrender your rights while i'll stand on my feet to defend my rights.

What kind of man are you without your big gun? Bawahahahahaha!

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

None of any of our rights existed in any meaningful way until they were recognized in writing via some law providing for or protecting them. that's correct.

That's why they've had to keep 'expanding' rights. Apparently, until that 'expansion' occurred, the rights didn't exist for blacks, gays, etc., until provided for in writing.

You can debate all day what you think you're entitled to as a human being and I would more than likely agree with you on some things. But none of it amounts to a pile of shit legally, unless it can be enforced through the rule of law.

so they created a preexisting right. LOL. do you not see how silly your logic is?

you wouldn't go to the bathroom if the government didn't tell you that was ok. you're confused about legal vs. natural rights. the government can't give you a right to live. that is most nonsensical thing to ever be posted on the interwebs.

your logic is this:

if you are born on a remote island with no government, you have no right to live, because no government said you could.

somehow, i don't see you ever grasping the fallacy of your logic.

 

[Lowaicue]

YOu have the same rights granted by the Creator. We realized this and expanded the US Constitution to reflect that. No one is arguing about whether we expand rights. It is removing them that we object to so vehemently.

I am aware that, as children, these concepts are hammered into you. The existence of a god, the creation of the world, the giving of rights ...

BUT just suppose there is no god. Then what? Who gave you the rights then?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Justice Breyer explains that in his dissension.




Aww...c'mon Dicksee. You, even you, know better than that. Annie Oakley got to carry a gun because there was no regulation of guns in the wild west.



Here's an excellent article on The Legal Status of Women, 1776-1830

Highlighted within is the fact that in those days, rights were handed out by the individual States, not the government.

translation:

howey can't explain anything.

why don't you explain it to me howey? you can use his reasoning, but i want to hear YOUR logic. breyer was dead wrong btw. factually, as well as legally.

 

[CanceledB]

so they created a preexisting right. LOL. do you not see how silly your logic is?

you wouldn't go to the bathroom if the government didn't tell you that was ok. you're confused about legal vs. natural rights. the government can't give you a right to live. that is most nonsensical thing to ever be posted on the interwebs.

your logic is this:

if you are born on a remote island with no government, you have no right to live, because no government said you could.

somehow, i don't see you ever grasping the fallacy of your logic.

Yeah, so, looks like this subject's over your head, too. Better buy yourself a gun, Yurt. It's the only recourse for thems who can't grasp this stuff.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Good luck with that. If you use your gun to protect a right that the law doesn't recognize, guess what? You'll be breaking the law, and probably lose your 'right' to possess firearms.

tell that to saddam hussein

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yes, I'm just a coward, 'cuz I recognize the difference between 'inalienable' rights and actual ones.

no you don't. you flat out said inalienable rights do not exist. sheeesh....you really have no idea of what you're talking about.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

bijou....how do you know you have a right to use your shower in the morning? where did the government tell you to do that? or where did the government grant you that right?

citation please.

 

[Lowaicue]

The only rights we have are the ones protected or enforced through rule of law. All this 'creator' horseshit is irrelevant. If it were 'creator' given, then it wouldn't matter what country you were in, you'd have those rights.

Oh come come come! Their god was American, did you not realise that? He eats McDog, drinks Pepsi and snorts coke. He watches porn and tells all his followers to get guns and kill people.
I find it amazing that you dont seem to understand that.

 

[CanceledB]

bijou....how do you know you have a right to use your shower in the morning? where did the government tell you to do that? or where did the government grant you that right?

citation please.

Yurt - I will respond to your posts that contain a modicum of intelligence. This one and the other two don't. Try again.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Precisely. You know history, or I thought you did. Are guys really that uneducated on women's history?

I know all about the history of women and the subjugation and abuse they suffered. Here i thought it was wrong because women had a right to be treated as equals and a right to control their own bodies. I have never claimed they were always allowed to do so, but I thought those crimes throughout history were a violation of their rights.

 

[CanceledB]

Oh come come come! Their god was American, did you not realise that? He eats McDog, drinks Pepsi and snorts coke. He watches porn and tells all his followers to get guns and kill people.
I find it amazing that you dont seem to understand that.

I understand it; I just don't subscribe to it. It's hubristic nonsense and embarrasses me as an American.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yeah, so, looks like this subject's over your head, too. Better buy yourself a gun, Yurt. It's the only recourse for thems who can't grasp this stuff.

way to logically counter my points. you can't even defend your idiotic logic, so all you can resort to are wild statements that have zero to do with what where discussing.

you don't even understand the basic concept of what inalienable means. you can't discuss it, all you can do is dismiss it. you are an ignorant fool. try to actually grasp what we're talking about and counter what my points with logic. not your dumbass statements.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yurt - I will respond to your posts that contain a modicum of intelligence. This one and the other two don't. Try again.

there we have it folks.....bijou gives up because she knows she is full of meadowmuffins.

you can't counter a single point. you lack the intelligence. you're a blind follower to bullshit bijou.