Colorado tragedy: THINK IT THROUGH!

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Jeezus, talk about stretching to grasp a straw!

the whole point of these jokers is the element of surprise, you idiot! As Gatorman pointed out, Reagan got tagged SURROUNDED BY TRAINED, ARMED PROFESSIONALS. Idiots like you keep trying to fabricate some perfect scenario where a CWP CITIZEN saves the day. As I pointed out, given the facts surrounding Colorado, that fantasy of yours is just a wet dream.

I fabricated no such thing. This will go a lot smoother for you if you didn't make shit up. I specifically said I don't know what I would have done even though I have a CWP. All I am saying is that I would rather have it than not.

Stop lying, you SOS! The chronology of the posts show that you allude to and insinuate a LOT more than what you state here....that's intellectual cowardice on your part, because rather than just concede you're wrong on a point, you dodge, lie, deny and try to change the subject.

If you don't know what you would do, then THINK IT THROUGH! I and others have pointed out the sheer fantasy of the argument that a CWP would have saved the day or lessened casualities. Given the FACTS, you would have just been an impotent gun carrying victim like everyone else...or caused more harm/confusion if you had acted.

 

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Stop lying, you SOS! The chronology of the posts show that you allude to and insinuate a LOT more than what you state here....that's intellectual cowardice on your part, because rather than just concede you're wrong on a point, you dodge, lie, deny and try to change the subject.

If you don't know what you would do, then THINK IT THROUGH! I and others have pointed out the sheer fantasy of the argument that a CWP would have saved the day or lessened casualities. Given the FACTS, you would have just been an impotent gun carrying victim like everyone else...or caused more harm/confusion if you had acted.

You are a liar, but the you a a liberal so I am being redundant. Bottom line is nothing will change with regards to guns. Even your big eared fairy president has evolved and does want to go there. Tough for you. If you want some advice on some hardware to buy let me know

 

[Taichiliberal]

I''m not referring solely to the theatre shootings but to mass shootings, in general, and how others being armed would have reduced the numbers of victims. Following are two examples.

(Excerpt) The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself.

Hennard also approached 32-year-old Suzanna Hupp and her parents. Hupp reached for her revolver in her purse, only to remember she had left it in her car to comply with Texas law……Hennard reloaded several times and still had ammunition remaining when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after being cornered and wounded by police. (End)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre
There's a definite possibility it could have ended right then and there if the lady had her revolver with her.

You're assuming she could have pulled it from her purse (hardly an adequate holster), aimed and fired accurately before Hennard got off his next shot. Hindsight and wishful thinking is 20/20.





Virginia Tech massacre

(Excerpt) Cho's first attack after entering Norris occurred in an advanced hydrology engineering class taught by Professor G. V. Loganathan in room 206. Cho first shot and killed the professor, then continued shooting, killing nine of the 13 students in the room and injuring two others. Next, Cho went across the hall to room 207, in which instructor Christopher James Bishop was teaching German. Cho killed Bishop and four students; six students were wounded. Cho then moved on to Norris 211 and 204. In both of these classrooms, Cho was initially prevented from entering the classroom by barricades erected by instructors and students. In room 204, Professor Liviu Librescu, an Israeli Holocaust survivor, forcibly prevented Cho from entering the room. Librescu was able to hold the door closed until most of his students escaped through the windows, but he died after being shot multiple times through the door. One student in his classroom was killed. Instructor Jocelyne Couture-Nowak and student Henry Lee were killed in room 211 as they attempted to barricade the door. Eleven students died in room 211; the six students who survived all suffered gunshot wounds. (End)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

Room 206, 207, 211 and 204. He basically cruised the halls and if just one teacher was armed it might have ended quickly.

You're assuming that the Professors would have started blasting at the door and Cho would have been deterred...ASSUMING Cho didn't just bide his time or get pissed and STILL kill the teachers....or just move on and kill MORE people. As I said, hindsight and wishful thinking is 20/20.

I suggest you do a google search regarding incidents of CWP accidents and fatalities involvoing crime. An eye opener. My point here is that more CWP is not the answer.....and if a guy with 3 types of weapons (one an assault rifle) buys 6k of ammo, body armor and such off the net without setting off alarms, then maybe the Patriot Act isn't cutting it, and a reassessment is in order.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Hey jackass, a MILITARY BASE where ARMED SECURITY is part of the make up, and weapons are available to those who can have the authoriity to sign them out. The chances of some other armed officer or military police being in the vicinity to capture or kill the perpetraitor is far greater..but that DID NOT DETER THE PERPETRAITOR. Deal with it.

deal with the fact that you don't have a clue in your idiot mind about what you're talking about. Having LIVED on a military base for 6 years as an active duty marine, I might just have a better clue than you do, deal with it.

For anyone to try and create a scenario where a CWP citizen saves the day in that Colorado theatre is absurd given the FACTS! But that won't stop the gun manufacturer flunkies from trying! Think it through!

state of delusion, you live in it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Once again, you're weaving some wet "would've, could've" dream that just isn't happening in real life regarding CWP and crime. Yeah, go ahead and quote your stats, because I'll put a microscope on it it and take the wind out of those sails.

lets put an end to YOUR BS. there are those of us who are former military who have trained in combat or experienced combat. we are all over the country, even movie theaters. Now, unless you think there is some magical wand that the government gets to wave over us when we are discharged that deletes all of our training, then your 'wet dream' scenario is actually you continuing to believe that we are all weak willed humans that need government baby sitters or we'd touch the stove when it's hot.

What's hysterical is that a clown like you calls me a coward for simply pointing out your impotent laden wet dream in relation to reality.

no, i call you a fucktard for not knowing what you're talking about, but continue to do so like you're some sort of expert, which you're not.

Here's the nitty gritty: Seems the Patriot ACT isn't cutting it, because this clown copped 6K of ammo, body armor and other para-military stuff off the net (in addition to the type/number of weapons he purchased), AND DID NOT RAISE A RED FLAG! But, NRA dupes wail that LESS gun regulations aon oversight will make us MORE secure.

so now you're wanting the PATRIOT ACT strengthened?

Sorry, but reality versus theory just won't make that dog fly.

we'll let you know what reality is. you seem quite comfortable with your theory though.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Stop lying, you SOS! The chronology of the posts show that you allude to and insinuate a LOT more than what you state here....that's intellectual cowardice on your part, because rather than just concede you're wrong on a point, you dodge, lie, deny and try to change the subject.

If you don't know what you would do, then THINK IT THROUGH! I and others have pointed out the sheer fantasy of the argument that a CWP would have saved the day or lessened casualities. Given the FACTS, you would have just been an impotent gun carrying victim like everyone else...or caused more harm/confusion if you had acted.

you're wrong. deal with it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You're assuming that the Professors would have started blasting at the door and Cho would have been deterred...ASSUMING Cho didn't just bide his time or get pissed and STILL kill the teachers....or just move on and kill MORE people. As I said, hindsight and wishful thinking is 20/20.

I suggest you do a google search regarding incidents of CWP accidents and fatalities involvoing crime. An eye opener. My point here is that more CWP is not the answer.....and if a guy with 3 types of weapons (one an assault rifle) buys 6k of ammo, body armor and such off the net without setting off alarms, then maybe the Patriot Act isn't cutting it, and a reassessment is in order.

you know what's hilarious about you gun hating idiots? the notion that every mass murderer out there is some sort of superhero that can kill anyone at will, but the notion that a mundane and wimpy citizen needs to just drop to their knees and beg for their life because that's the only thing a sub human piece of shit can do without government buiding something for them.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by evince
yeap its your own fault for getting killed by crazies because you didnt wear full body armor to the beach that day

Just because the body armor stops the bullet from penetrating, it doesn't negate the force of the shoot.
People wearing body armor who are shot, still fall down and are hurt (broke rips, shattered arm or leg bones, etc.

Depends on the angle of the hit, the distance from the shooter, the quality of body armor. Bottom line: trying to concoct the perfect scenario were a CWP in the Colorado threatre would save the day without killing others accidently or getting themselves killed is just a wet dream by paranoid gun dupes for the NRA and the manufactureres that pull their strings.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Depends on the angle of the hit, the distance from the shooter, the quality of body armor. Bottom line: trying to concoct the perfect scenario were a CWP in the Colorado threatre would save the day without killing others accidently or getting themselves killed is just a wet dream by paranoid gun dupes for the NRA and the manufactureres that pull their strings.

liberal gun hater talking points. you're basically full of shit with no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Stop lying, you SOS! The chronology of the posts show that you allude to and insinuate a LOT more than what you state here....that's intellectual cowardice on your part, because rather than just concede you're wrong on a point, you dodge, lie, deny and try to change the subject.

If you don't know what you would do, then THINK IT THROUGH! I and others have pointed out the sheer fantasy of the argument that a CWP would have saved the day or lessened casualities. Given the FACTS, you would have just been an impotent gun carrying victim like everyone else...or caused more harm/confusion if you had acted.

You are a liar, but the you a a liberal so I am being redundant. Bottom line is nothing will change with regards to guns. Even your big eared fairy president has evolved and does want to go there. Tough for you. If you want some advice on some hardware to buy let me know

What did I lie about, toodles? I'm just reacting to your words....which you alter whenever unable to logically support your latest assertion. The chronology of the posts supports what I say, not you. Now you're just reacting like a petulant teenager....of which I have no patience for. So unless you're going to join us in the adult world, I won't waste anymore time on you.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Hey jackass, a MILITARY BASE where ARMED SECURITY is part of the make up, and weapons are available to those who can have the authoriity to sign them out. The chances of some other armed officer or military police being in the vicinity to capture or kill the perpetraitor is far greater..but that DID NOT DETER THE PERPETRAITOR. Deal with it.

deal with the fact that you don't have a clue in your idiot mind about what you're talking about. Having LIVED on a military base for 6 years as an active duty marine, I might just have a better clue than you do, deal with it.

So what did I say that was wrong, bunky? You telling me that a marine base does NOT have armed security available? Or that there are NO officers that have a service weapon in their office? Having relatives in the military, I would find that IMPOSSIBLE to believe. So stop being a stubborn jackass and just acknowledge that a rational person would NOT attack randomly on a military base....and that a HIGH POTENTIAL FOR AN ARMED RESPONSE DID NOT DETER A NUT CASE.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
For anyone to try and create a scenario where a CWP citizen saves the day in that Colorado theatre is absurd given the FACTS! But that won't stop the gun manufacturer flunkies from trying! Think it through!

state of delusion, you live in it.

Did they teach you that brilliant grade school retort in the marines, bunky?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So what did I say that was wrong, bunky? You telling me that a marine base does NOT have armed security available? Or that there are NO officers that have a service weapon in their office? Having relatives in the military, I would find that IMPOSSIBLE to believe. So stop being a stubborn jackass and just acknowledge that a rational person would NOT attack randomly on a military base....and that a HIGH POTENTIAL FOR AN ARMED RESPONSE DID NOT DETER A NUT CASE.

you're full of shit. I don't care if you find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe, the bottom line is that a military base has about the same armed security as any city. they have an armed police force and that's it. No 'officers' with pistols in their desks (where did you get that stupid assed idea anyway). In the few sensitive areas (armory and ammo dumps) they have an armed guard that DOES NOT LEAVE HIS POST. So just stop trying to bullshit everyone like you know what you're talking about, because you don't.

Did they teach you that brilliant grade school retort in the marines, bunky?

no, my 8 year old nephew did and he happens to be smarter than you.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Once again, you're weaving some wet "would've, could've" dream that just isn't happening in real life regarding CWP and crime. Yeah, go ahead and quote your stats, because I'll put a microscope on it it and take the wind out of those sails.

lets put an end to YOUR BS. there are those of us who are former military who have trained in combat or experienced combat. we are all over the country, even movie theaters. Now, unless you think there is some magical wand that the government gets to wave over us when we are discharged that deletes all of our training, then your 'wet dream' scenario is actually you continuing to believe that we are all weak willed humans that need government baby sitters or we'd touch the stove when it's hot.


This isn't about YOU, ya blowhard! this is about the people in that theatre who died because of a nutjob who PLANNED his massacre....and now little insecure gun-maker flunkies like you are puffing up your chests as to how you would have saved the day had you been there with your CWP. Grow the fuck up, will ya? Reagan took one in broad daylight surrounded by trained professionals. Cops from Columbine worried about getting some type of positive ID on the perps, as any good cop does in a group shooting/panic situation. But hey, a CWP automatically makes the day brighter in your world....in SPITE of the circumstances. Sorry bunky, but the perfect scenario you keep jerking off too just doesn't cut it...as the FACTS just keep getting in the way of making it highly unlikely...but most likely would have made things worse!

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What's hysterical is that a clown like you calls me a coward for simply pointing out your impotent laden wet dream in relation to reality.

no, i call you a fucktard for not knowing what you're talking about, but continue to do so like you're some sort of expert, which you're not.

Oh stop whining, ya big baby! Just because I point out some logical flaws in you rlittle fantasy world, you get all flustered and start coming after me personally. Put ya dress down, STY...because EVERYONE is a tough guy in cyber space.

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Here's the nitty gritty: Seems the Patriot ACT isn't cutting it, because this clown copped 6K of ammo, body armor and other para-military stuff off the net (in addition to the type/number of weapons he purchased), AND DID NOT RAISE A RED FLAG! But, NRA dupes wail that LESS gun regulations aon oversight will make us MORE secure.

so now you're wanting the PATRIOT ACT strengthened?

No genius, I'm pointing out the sheer hyopcrisy of the NRA suckers who staunchly backed the Patriot Act, but won't acknowledge the glaring flaw as seen in this case, and now inadvertently saying more guns would have solved /alleviated a situation that no one in their right mind would agree with. See, if the Patriot Act was REALLY working, the perp in Colorado would NOT have gotten his act together....but dopes like you are AGAINST any federal police/security agency from enacting laws to curtail/limit/prevent such a thing. See genius, I'm pointing out if you think it through, your little oather/threeper/libertarian mind would explode!

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Sorry, but reality versus theory just won't make that dog fly.

we'll let you know what reality is. you seem quite comfortable with your theory though.

Who is this "we" you occasionally refer to, bunky? If it's the collection of intellectual buffoons on these threads that parrot the same shit that you do, then your statement is of no concern.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Stop lying, you SOS! The chronology of the posts show that you allude to and insinuate a LOT more than what you state here....that's intellectual cowardice on your part, because rather than just concede you're wrong on a point, you dodge, lie, deny and try to change the subject.

If you don't know what you would do, then THINK IT THROUGH! I and others have pointed out the sheer fantasy of the argument that a CWP would have saved the day or lessened casualities. Given the FACTS, you would have just been an impotent gun carrying victim like everyone else...or caused more harm/confusion if you had acted.

you're wrong. deal with it.

That's the best you've got? Pathetic!

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You're assuming that the Professors would have started blasting at the door and Cho would have been deterred...ASSUMING Cho didn't just bide his time or get pissed and STILL kill the teachers....or just move on and kill MORE people. As I said, hindsight and wishful thinking is 20/20.

I suggest you do a google search regarding incidents of CWP accidents and fatalities involvoing crime. An eye opener. My point here is that more CWP is not the answer.....and if a guy with 3 types of weapons (one an assault rifle) buys 6k of ammo, body armor and such off the net without setting off alarms, then maybe the Patriot Act isn't cutting it, and a reassessment is in order.

you know what's hilarious about you gun hating idiots? the notion that every mass murderer out there is some sort of superhero that can kill anyone at will, but the notion that a mundane and wimpy citizen needs to just drop to their knees and beg for their life because that's the only thing a sub human piece of shit can do without government buiding something for them.

WTF is the matter with you? Wake up, jackass.....YOU WERE THE BENEFACTOR AND PARTICIPANT OF THE BIGGEST FEDERAL SUBSIDIZED (AND SOCIALIZED) organization this country has to offer.....THE MILITARY (or so you claim). So spare me the libertarian lunkhead/neocon/teabagger rhetoric, will ya please?

Have I stated that law abiding citizens shouldn't have access to guns? Nope. I'm merely pointing out that emotionally impotent jacakassses like YOU should realize the fruit of your labors when some yahoo can load up like Rambo and no police /security/intelligence agency notices (or cares). You wail aganist ANY gun regulation, but figure that acts like Virginia Tech, Columbine and now this theatre (to name a few) is something we can live with because MORE CWP will save the day!

Cops who are family and friends tell me tht the LAST thing a response team needs to thi8nk about in such a situation is that you have a bunch of civilians armed and running about....makes it REAL hard to tell the difference between perp, victim and civilians.


Grow the hell up and THINK IT THROUGH, STY.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Who is this "we" you occasionally refer to, bunky? If it's the collection of intellectual buffoons on these threads that parrot the same shit that you do, then your statement is of no concern.

you're a bloviating shit filled windbag. nothing more than the typical whiny anti gun liberal who likes to move goal posts and interchange generalities as it suits you. you've been shown the wrongness of your statements in this entire thread, be a man and accept the loss, or be a whiny little bitch and keep telling others how 'right' you are.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

WTF is the matter with you? Wake up, jackass.....YOU WERE THE BENEFACTOR AND PARTICIPANT OF THE BIGGEST FEDERAL SUBSIDIZED (AND SOCIALIZED) organization this country has to offer.....THE MILITARY (or so you claim). So spare me the libertarian lunkhead/neocon/teabagger rhetoric, will ya please?

maybe you can point out to me how signing a check to the US Government, with my life as the possible price, makes me a benefactor? oh, you can't? then stfu.

Have I stated that law abiding citizens shouldn't have access to guns? Nope. I'm merely pointing out that emotionally impotent jacakassses like YOU should realize the fruit of your labors when some yahoo can load up like Rambo and no police /security/intelligence agency notices (or cares). You wail aganist ANY gun regulation, but figure that acts like Virginia Tech, Columbine and now this theatre (to name a few) is something we can live with because MORE CWP will save the day!

and like madison, jefferson, adams, franklin, and many other founders of this country, we agree it's worth the price. that should make you feel like shit, that you disagree with the founders, but I have a feeling you won't.

Cops who are family and friends tell me tht the LAST thing a response team needs to thi8nk about in such a situation is that you have a bunch of civilians armed and running about....makes it REAL hard to tell the difference between perp, victim and civilians.

I don't care what cops and response teams need to think about during the 5 minutes it takes for them to show up to an active shooting. It's those 5 minutes BEFORE they show up that i'm concerned about. If they don't want to take the time to better assess a situation and would instead like to come in blazing away at anyone with a gun, then those idiots don't need to be doing the fucking job.

Grow the hell up and THINK IT THROUGH, STY.

I have thought it through, and you're still stupidly fucking wrong. now YOU grow the hell up and shut the fuck up and maybe you'll learn a little about life from us older and wiser folk.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So what did I say that was wrong, bunky? You telling me that a marine base does NOT have armed security available? Or that there are NO officers that have a service weapon in their office? Having relatives in the military, I would find that IMPOSSIBLE to believe. So stop being a stubborn jackass and just acknowledge that a rational person would NOT attack randomly on a military base....and that a HIGH POTENTIAL FOR AN ARMED RESPONSE DID NOT DETER A NUT CASE.

you're full of shit. I don't care if you find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe, the bottom line is that a military base has about the same armed security as any city. they have an armed police force and that's it. No 'officers' with pistols in their desks (where did you get that stupid assed idea anyway). In the few sensitive areas (armory and ammo dumps) they have an armed guard that DOES NOT LEAVE HIS POST. So just stop trying to bullshit everyone like you know what you're talking about, because you don't.

Military bases are on the whole NOT the size of a city...a very large college campus, but NOT a city. Yeah, you have their version of cops (military police)...and they have a hell of a quicker response area than say, Brooklyn. So wipe the spittle from your screen and deal with the FACT that no rational person would attack a military base...but a nut job would and he was NOT deterred by being surrounded by soldiers. Oh And my relatives that served in Korea and Iraq (different people, of course) can hip you to a number of officers that keep weapons in their office...and then there's the armory that keeps weapons for triaining exercises, etc.


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Did they teach you that brilliant grade school retort in the marines, bunky?no, my 8 year old nephew did and he happens to be smarter than you.

Pretty sad that a grown man has to depend on his 8 year old for a retort in a debate. Nuff said.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Military bases are on the whole NOT the size of a city...a very large college campus, but NOT a city. Yeah, you have their version of cops (military police)...and they have a hell of a quicker response area than say, Brooklyn. So wipe the spittle from your screen and deal with the FACT that no rational person would attack a military base...but a nut job would and he was NOT deterred by being surrounded by soldiers. Oh And my relatives that served in Korea and Iraq (different people, of course) can hip you to a number of officers that keep weapons in their office...and then there's the armory that keeps weapons for triaining exercises, etc.

you're beyond help, you know that? weapons locked in the armory do no fucking good during an active shooter in a building, but don't let facts get in the way of your stupidity.
nuff said.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Depends on the angle of the hit, the distance from the shooter, the quality of body armor. Bottom line: trying to concoct the perfect scenario were a CWP in the Colorado threatre would save the day without killing others accidently or getting themselves killed is just a wet dream by paranoid gun dupes for the NRA and the manufactureres that pull their strings.

liberal gun hater talking points. you're basically full of shit with no clue what you're talking about.

Translation: a logical observation that our STY cannot refute, so he just blathers on like a petulant child.