BAIN AGAIN

Superfreak said:
ok... again... what are the old ladies discussing? What situation with regards to Bain? A particular company? What? Surely you can shed some light as to the content of the ad?
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I guess I have to do everything.

It calls him a corporate raider, and says his greed is only matched by his willingness to do anything to win. It interviews regular people who lost their jobs and blames him. It accuses him of accepting foreign seed money and then starting a pattern of exploiting American businesses. It interviews one woman who lost her home after losing her job in a Bain takeover and saying it's not fair because he has 15 homes. It calls his life story a "story of greed" and says that he "plays the system for a quick buck" It ends "this is the story of 10's of thousands of workers and what happened to them when Mitt Romney came to town"
 
Darla said:
I guess I have to do everything.

It calls him a corporate raider, and says his greed is only matched by his willingness to do anything to win. It interviews regular people who lost their jobs and blames him. It accuses him of accepting foreign seed money and then starting a pattern of exploiting American businesses. It interviews one woman who lost her home after losing her job in a Bain takeover and saying it's not fair because he has 15 homes. It calls his life story a "story of greed" and says that he "plays the system for a quick buck" It ends "this is the story of 10's of thousands of workers and what happened to them when Mitt Romney came to town"
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So again, they find some schmuck who ignores the fact that Bain took over FAILING companies and tried to help them survive. In most cases providing jobs far longer than those very same employees would have had if Bain had not taken them over. Then she whines about losing her home because Romney has 15?

Obama is truly becoming desperate. That said, Romney is a f'in idiot for failing to address these pathetic Obama ad's better. Gee, I can't wait for one of these two to win the Presidency in November.
 
Superfreak said:
So again, they find some schmuck who ignores the fact that Bain took over FAILING companies and tried to help them survive. In most cases providing jobs far longer than those very same employees would have had if Bain had not taken them over. Then she whines about losing her home because Romney has 15?

Obama is truly becoming desperate. That said, Romney is a f'in idiot for failing to address these pathetic Obama ad's better. Gee, I can't wait for one of these two to win the Presidency in November.
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Finally!

For f's sake it is like pulling teeth with you people!

It's a Gingrich ad, one of many he and Santorum ran against Romney in the primaries. You were railing against them then yes?

:)
 
Superfreak said:
So again, they find some schmuck who ignores the fact that Bain took over FAILING companies and tried to help them survive. In most cases providing jobs far longer than those very same employees would have had if Bain had not taken them over. Then she whines about losing her home because Romney has 15?

Obama is truly becoming desperate. That said, Romney is a f'in idiot for failing to address these pathetic Obama ad's better. Gee, I can't wait for one of these two to win the Presidency in November.
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Why do people say that x or y candidate is "truly becoming desperate?"

Politics IS desperation. Show me the last Presidential candidate who didn't pull out all of the stops to try to win. Even Clinton, who had one of the easiest runs ever against Dole, still tore Dole apart w/ his advertising.

There is only one moment when a Presidential candidate "becomes desperate," and that's when they decide to run for Prez.
 
Darla said:
Finally!

For f's sake it is like pulling teeth with you people!

It's a Gingrich ad, one of many he and Santorum ran against Romney in the primaries. You were railing against them then yes?

:)
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Again, I could not see the Ad... and yes, it would have been equally desperate.

Had someone posted this back then I would have said the same thing... and thank you for showing us that Obama and Gingrich are the same.
 
Onceler said:
Why do people say that x or y candidate is "truly becoming desperate?"

Politics IS desperation. Show me the last Presidential candidate who didn't pull out all of the stops to try to win. Even Clinton, who had one of the easiest runs ever against Dole, still tore Dole apart w/ his advertising.

There is only one moment when a Presidential candidate "becomes desperate," and that's when they decide to run for Prez.
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Hammering an opponent is not desperate. Lying about an opponents position is. I honestly don't recall Clintons ads on Dole off hand, but did Clinton blatantly lie?
 
Superfreak said:
Hammering an opponent is not desperate. Lying about an opponents position is. I honestly don't recall Clintons ads on Dole off hand, but did Clinton blatantly lie?
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Can you tell me the last negative political ad (defined as an ad about the opponent, and not about the candidate him or herself), that you would describe as "truth"?
 
Superfreak said:
Again, I could not see the Ad... and yes, it would have been equally desperate.

Had someone posted this back then I would have said the same thing... and thank you for showing us that Obama and Gingrich are the same.
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Superfreak said:
Hammering an opponent is not desperate. Lying about an opponents position is. I honestly don't recall Clintons ads on Dole off hand, but did Clinton blatantly lie?
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Has Obamalied? Nowhere to the extent of Romney.

As far as this ad, we discussed it on my forum when it came out. Of course, back then Romney was a long shot instead f the last resort.
 
Onceler said:
Why do people say that x or y candidate is "truly becoming desperate?"

Politics IS desperation. Show me the last Presidential candidate who didn't pull out all of the stops to try to win. Even Clinton, who had one of the easiest runs ever against Dole, still tore Dole apart w/ his advertising.

There is only one moment when a Presidential candidate "becomes desperate," and that's when they decide to run for Prez.
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W had already destroyed Bush by this time in 2004, and the same can be said of Clinton, absolutely.

I get so annoyed with the crying about negative ads. There is nothing more American. I have read about some amazing shit said in presidential elections long before any of us were born!
 
Superfreak said:
Again, I could not see the Ad... and yes, it would have been equally desperate.

Had someone posted this back then I would have said the same thing... and thank you for showing us that Obama and Gingrich are the same.
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These ads were all over the place and I said many times on this board that if Obama had put them out we'd never hear the end of it and his "Chicago style thug politics' from the righties here. I was right. :)
 
Superfreak said:
You are not the brightest of bulbs today are you? You are the one that asked if Obama should have been embarrassed. I told you I could not see the ad, thus I had to take your word for it that it was an Obama ad.
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I'm not the brightest of bulbs huh? I never would have walked into this one!
 
This was the Gingrich ad? It pretty much shows Gingrich's political opportunism and in this case true desperation. I get Onceler's point about politicians always being desperate but in Gingrich's case I thought he put this out right at the end of his run and was truly a political 'hail mary' so to speak.
 
cawacko said:
This was the Gingrich ad? It pretty much shows Gingrich's political opportunism and in this case true desperation. I get Onceler's point about politicians always being desperate but in Gingrich's case I thought he put this out right at the end of his run and was truly a political 'hail mary' so to speak.
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Does it? Both Gingrich and Santorim said that Romney had too much baggage to be the nominee.

When all is said and done it may turn out they were right.

Anyway, usually the negative campaigns that are run by the opposing party in a presidential election can be found to have been seeded by the opponents own party in the primary. Historically speaking. It's just how it goes.
 
Darla said:
Does it? Both Gingrich and Santorim said that Romney had too much baggage to be the nominee.

When all is said and done it may turn out they were right.

Anyway, usually the negative campaigns that are run by the opposing party in a presidential election can be found to have been seeded by the opponents own party in the primary. Historically speaking. It's just how it goes.
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I'm sure we all can see the irony in Gingrich saying someone else has too much baggage to be the nominee. And Santorum was not a good candidate. That by itself doesn't make Romney a good candidate but when compared to those two...

And Gingrich going after the private equity industry like that? Come on now.
And I agree with your comment about seeds often being planted against a candidate by one in their own party.
 
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