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A mass murder at a movie full of mass murders that people enjoy watching?
And pay hundreds of millions of dollars to see?
Give awards for the actors, etc?


American society....

I recall watching a highly rated movie where a drug addicted hit man blew a guys brains out in a car and the audience laughed....

Of course none of this impacts our society.
 
We've had mass murderers long before violence in movies. How about Jack the Ripper?

What's ironic is, whenever a freak random act of violence like this happens, Libtards feel the need to 'explain' it, and this usually revolves around something we're too stupid to do for ourselves and need government for. From banning guns to censoring violence in movies... there always has to be some 'reason' in a Liberals mind, that things like this happen. Well guess what? There is no 'reason' and it can't be 'explained' by the rational, because it is insane! The work of a mentally unstable mind that doesn't know right from wrong, it doesn't matter what 'rules' you have in place.

I could take the very same thing you are trying to blame on movies, and apply that to how we've moved away from strong spiritual faith and teachings. The new Atheist generation who has no concept of moral obligation or respect for life. The fact we no longer go to church every Sunday, parents don't make their kids go anymore, and we've lost the path to righteousness. Does it make some people feel better to believe this is why it happened? Of course, but is that the case? Or.. is this just a freak thing that happens sometimes when people in a free society go mad?
 
Dixie said:
We've had mass murderers long before violence in movies. How about Jack the Ripper?

What's ironic is, whenever a freak random act of violence like this happens, Libtards feel the need to 'explain' it, and this usually revolves around something we're too stupid to do for ourselves and need government for. From banning guns to censoring violence in movies... there always has to be some 'reason' in a Liberals mind, that things like this happen. Well guess what? There is no 'reason' and it can't be 'explained' by the rational, because it is insane! The work of a mentally unstable mind that doesn't know right from wrong, it doesn't matter what 'rules' you have in place.

I could take the very same thing you are trying to blame on movies, and apply that to how we've moved away from strong spiritual faith and teachings. The new Atheist generation who has no concept of moral obligation or respect for life. The fact we no longer go to church every Sunday, parents don't make their kids go anymore, and we've lost the path to righteousness. Does it make some people feel better to believe this is why it happened? Of course, but is that the case? Or.. is this just a freak thing that happens sometimes when people in a free society go mad?
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Take your freak faith and stick it, dicklicker. I'll be continuing to rely on science and genuine research in mankind's quest to understand and possibly prevent some of these atrocities. You and your magic man in the sky aren't helping any in that regard.
 
Occupant said:
God tells people to kill their children and such.
You must have strong faith to do something like that.
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Perhaps, but how does this have to do with moral decaying in society? If we can blame guns or violence in movies, we can also blame lack of morality as the result of spiritual decline. If you can argue we need less violent imagery, and someone else can argue we need fewer guns, why can't a spiritualist argue we need to be in touch with our spirituality?
 
Dixie said:
Perhaps, but how does this have to do with moral decaying in society? If we can blame guns or violence in movies, we can also blame lack of morality as the result of spiritual decline. If you can argue we need less violent imagery, and someone else can argue we need fewer guns, why can't a spiritualist argue we need to be in touch with our spirituality?
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A true Christian would not enjoy violence and killing even in the entertainment arena.
A true Christian would not be a war hawk.
We are getting like the Romans and the colluseum.
so if we are a christian nation....

As a nation we need to get our heads out of our asses.
 
Ah the classic human move, blame the victim. Nice... Tell me Occupant, do you go to rape victims and tell them not to be in the wrong place dressed sluttily?
 
Occupant said:
A true Christian would not enjoy violence and killing even in the entertainment arena.
We are getting like the Romans and the colluseum.
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And that is a good point... Pat Robertson might say the people who were at that movie were punished by God. Is he wrong? I don't believe he is any more 'wrong' than someone who thinks less violence in movies would have prevented this, or fewer/more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens would have stopped it.

We can form all kinds of psychological 'comfort zones' on this, to help us cope with the horror of the tragedy. That is normal, and what people do. It helps you to deal with this by blaming (at least partially) the entertainment industry. Others cope with the shock of what they are witnessing on TV, by blaming guns and gun laws, because it gives them comfort to find something to help make sense of this. Again, that is a normal human psychological reaction when these things happen. If some wacko religious group had been protesting 'Dark Knight' and trying to prevent it from being screened because it was violent, you would have been livid last week. But today, you can see where there is irony, and you can see that we are becoming like the Romans. Do you see how quickly your perspective shifted?

Now let me make it clear, because I know pinheads have the tendency to completely misconstrue things I say... I am NOT arguing that lack of spirituality is the reason this tragedy happened. MY belief is, tragedies happen because people sometimes go off their rockers. That simple. We didn't do anything to cause this, there isn't some thing we could have done to prevent this, it's just a tragic instance of someone doing something senseless... we don't HAVE to make sense of it. The point I am trying to make with the interjection of 'spirituality and morality' is that people can use all kinds of comfort thoughts, that included. So when you run around trying to find the thing that you can blame this on in your mind to help you cope, remember that other people can do the same with whatever they find comfort in as well. It's part of being human, that's all I am saying.

Things like this are going to happen now and then. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, there is no 'reason' for it, or 'cause' behind it. It's not because we haven't gone to Church enough... it's not because we watch too much violence... it's not because we have legal firearms... none of that is the REASON this happened! IT HAPPENED BECAUSE SENSELESS ACTS HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
 
Occupant said:
A mass murder at a movie full of mass murders that people enjoy watching?
And pay hundreds of millions of dollars to see?
Give awards for the actors, etc?


American society....

I recall watching a highly rated movie where a drug addicted hit man blew a guys brains out in a car and the audience laughed....

Of course none of this impacts our society.
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One of the pre movie trailers advertised a new movie with a scene that had someone shooting people in a movie theater.

That trailer has now been removed.
 
Dixie said:
We've had mass murderers long before violence in movies. How about Jack the Ripper?

What's ironic is, whenever a freak random act of violence like this happens, Libtards feel the need to 'explain' it, and this usually revolves around something we're too stupid to do for ourselves and need government for. From banning guns to censoring violence in movies... there always has to be some 'reason' in a Liberals mind, that things like this happen. Well guess what? There is no 'reason' and it can't be 'explained' by the rational, because it is insane! The work of a mentally unstable mind that doesn't know right from wrong, it doesn't matter what 'rules' you have in place.

I could take the very same thing you are trying to blame on movies, and apply that to how we've moved away from strong spiritual faith and teachings. The new Atheist generation who has no concept of moral obligation or respect for life. The fact we no longer go to church every Sunday, parents don't make their kids go anymore, and we've lost the path to righteousness. Does it make some people feel better to believe this is why it happened? Of course, but is that the case? Or.. is this just a freak thing that happens sometimes when people in a free society go mad?
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So if a person, like the shooter, is insane shouldn't they be hospitalized rather than go to trial?
 
Occupant said:
God tells people to kill their children and such.
You must have strong faith to do something like that.
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Yea, like the dude in the Bible who lured his son by telling him they were going to have a father to son chat and ends up putting his son on the chopping block. The accepted excuse is God wanted to see if the dude really believed in Him. Hell of a way to make a point. :(
 
Dixie said:
Perhaps, but how does this have to do with moral decaying in society? If we can blame guns or violence in movies, we can also blame lack of morality as the result of spiritual decline. If you can argue we need less violent imagery, and someone else can argue we need fewer guns, why can't a spiritualist argue we need to be in touch with our spirituality?
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Moral decay? Like the good, old days when children born to unwed mothers were considered little bastards? Where the church took those children under the pretense of looking after them only to use them for work and sexual pleasure? We've decayed from those days?
 
Dixie said:
And that is a good point... Pat Robertson might say the people who were at that movie were punished by God. Is he wrong? I don't believe he is any more 'wrong' than someone who thinks less violence in movies would have prevented this, or fewer/more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens would have stopped it.

We can form all kinds of psychological 'comfort zones' on this, to help us cope with the horror of the tragedy. That is normal, and what people do. It helps you to deal with this by blaming (at least partially) the entertainment industry. Others cope with the shock of what they are witnessing on TV, by blaming guns and gun laws, because it gives them comfort to find something to help make sense of this. Again, that is a normal human psychological reaction when these things happen. If some wacko religious group had been protesting 'Dark Knight' and trying to prevent it from being screened because it was violent, you would have been livid last week. But today, you can see where there is irony, and you can see that we are becoming like the Romans. Do you see how quickly your perspective shifted?

Now let me make it clear, because I know pinheads have the tendency to completely misconstrue things I say... I am NOT arguing that lack of spirituality is the reason this tragedy happened. MY belief is, tragedies happen because people sometimes go off their rockers. That simple. We didn't do anything to cause this, there isn't some thing we could have done to prevent this, it's just a tragic instance of someone doing something senseless... we don't HAVE to make sense of it. The point I am trying to make with the interjection of 'spirituality and morality' is that people can use all kinds of comfort thoughts, that included. So when you run around trying to find the thing that you can blame this on in your mind to help you cope, remember that other people can do the same with whatever they find comfort in as well. It's part of being human, that's all I am saying.

Things like this are going to happen now and then. There is nothing we can do to prevent it, there is no 'reason' for it, or 'cause' behind it. It's not because we haven't gone to Church enough... it's not because we watch too much violence... it's not because we have legal firearms... none of that is the REASON this happened! IT HAPPENED BECAUSE SENSELESS ACTS HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
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Pat Robertson and those who follow him are part of the problem not part of the soloution.
Balming the devil is not the soloution, blame ourselves we are supposed to have personal responsibility for our actions when acting alone or as a collective.
 
apple0154 said:
So if a person, like the shooter, is insane shouldn't they be hospitalized rather than go to trial?
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This is something I have never understood about how we are. Why is it, if a dog or cat 'goes mad' we have no problem euthanizing them? Yet, if it's a person, we can't seem to find it in our hearts? With an animal, we are "putting it out of it's misery," and it's the humane thing to do, but not with humans... why is that?
 
Occupant said:
Pat Robertson and those who follow him are part of the problem not part of the soloution.
Balming the devil is not the soloution, blame ourselves we are supposed to have personal responsibility for our actions when acting alone or as a collective.
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Well see now, I have touched a nerve with you, and I didn't intend to cause an emotive rant... I am sorry. Pat Robertson has as much right to comfort himself by believing [whatever] as you do. That's all I am saying. I don't agree with Pat, I don't agree with Christians ranting about how we need to get back in touch with Gawd... but they have the same right to cling to whatever comforts them through this tragedy, we all do. It's part of being humans.

You can blame "yourself" but you can't blame "me" so you can't blame "ourselves" for this. The thing is, you can "blame" whatever... people do! That's the point I am making, it is our way of dealing and coping with tragedies like this... we have to find something to "blame" or some "reason" it happened. But the thing is, no matter what we choose to blame, or how we choose to cope, tragedies like this will still happen in the future, they always do.
 
Dixie said:
This is something I have never understood about how we are. Why is it, if a dog or cat 'goes mad' we have no problem euthanizing them? Yet, if it's a person, we can't seem to find it in our hearts? With an animal, we are "putting it out of it's misery," and it's the humane thing to do, but not with humans... why is that?
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It's because animals do not understand. A insane animal can not survive on its own. It will either be easy prey or harm someone so we'd have to build sanitariums for animals. Try to get funding for that through a Repub Congress. :lol:

Also, many places do not allow euthanasia even when a person requests it. An individual with ALS is forced to live knowing at any moment they may choke to death. We'd rather watch a person thrashing around choking to death than helping them end their life peacefully.

It's a strange world.
 
apple0154 said:
It's because animals do not understand. [insane people do?] A insane animal can not survive on its own. [insane people can?] It will either be easy prey or harm someone so we'd have to build sanitariums for animals. Try to get funding for that through a Repub Congress. :lol:

Also, many places do not allow euthanasia even when a person requests it. [I know, it's illegal in America] An individual with ALS is forced to live knowing at any moment they may choke to death. We'd rather watch a person thrashing around choking to death than helping them end their life peacefully.

It's a strange world.
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Yes it is, but back to the point... Why do we feel the need to put insane humans in sanitariums but insane animals, we "put them out of their misery?"

Why is it, we have someone commit a crime like this, killing and wounding scores of innocent people, and then we have to deliberate whether he was crazy? Isn't ANYONE who commits mass murder, pretty much off their nut? I mean, really? But now.... we can't 'punish' someone who is off their nut, we have to coddle them in a sanitarium the rest of their life?
 
Dixie said:
Well see now, I have touched a nerve with you, and I didn't intend to cause an emotive rant... I am sorry. Pat Robertson has as much right to comfort himself by believing [whatever] as you do. That's all I am saying. I don't agree with Pat, I don't agree with Christians ranting about how we need to get back in touch with Gawd... but they have the same right to cling to whatever comforts them through this tragedy, we all do. It's part of being humans.

You can blame "yourself" but you can't blame "me" so you can't blame "ourselves" for this. The thing is, you can "blame" whatever... people do! That's the point I am making, it is our way of dealing and coping with tragedies like this... we have to find something to "blame" or some "reason" it happened. But the thing is, no matter what we choose to blame, or how we choose to cope, tragedies like this will still happen in the future, they always do.
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It is unbelievable how many dichotomies you put yourself in, dicklicker. You cancel your own arguments out over and over. To address the point that you try to make in another post about the euthanizing of animals and why is that any different from euthanizing "mad" humans I would highly suspect that mankind would have rid itself of you long ago.
 
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