Fatal shooting at Denver screening of The Dark Knight Rises

in other words, they called other people that had guns.

They called people who had the duty, training, and responsibility to respond with guns.

to my knowledge, no automatic weapons were recovered. only semi-auto.

Same difference.

and as much respect as I have for you, I disagree with your opinion. thousands of people die by guns every year because those guns are in the wrong hands, not the right ones.

Much respect for you as well brother .. and our difference here won't change that. However, guns in supposedly the right hands kill family members and associates, and children every year.

The United States has more murders everyday than the UK in an entire year.
 
get out of here, 12-15 ppl with a KNIFE? maybe if no-one fought back, with a gun you don't get a chance to fight back. ridiculous
yes, and in case you need proofm http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/02/20122294486118604.html

and yes, one can fight back against someone with a gun IF THEY HAVE A GUN!!!!!

LEnforcement. military had a demonstated need for such training.
and it looks like over 30 people at this theater had a demonstrated need for weapons training.
 
Oh I could care less about the sensitivity of the gun nuts. They can rationalize anything but never draw the conclusion that easy access to firearms contributes to situations like these. Having said that, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Anyone who thinks there is "easy" access to get a gun obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. But as another poster said, it is funny that if you are in trouble, you call a guy who ironically has a gun. If you are afraid to handle one, just say so
 
By Monday several more lives will have been sacrificed to American gun laws and the lunatics that think they have a god given right to own a device designed to kill.
I don't know if my right to keep and carry weapons is god given or not, I just know I have it. And it's not a right to kill, but a right to self preservation. anything else said by idiots who want to ban weapons is mentally limited.
 
well I agree, the problem is our 2nd Amendment, the Independent clause is supreme as interpreted by SCOTUS. ( Maybe if you damn Brits hadn't tried to hold our colonies) - no i'm being facetious. This is the US mindset.

Please don't take offense. But America was founded on individual freedoms (Bill of Rights), the Founders..hard to say what Original intent was.
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The indepenent clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" has been interpreted as a stand alone.
The "well regulated militia"(dependent clause) is not considered to be an override of the independent clause/
You were founded on freedoms yet you sat back and watched them eroded . Freedom is not an American thing. Most countries in the world have at least as much freedom as America has.
 
then i guess there's no need to debate anything. If you try to take my guns, I will kill you.

You make my point brother. You have a gun and you think to kill me.

I have no thought whatsoever of ever killing you. If I had a gun, which I do not .. and you tried to take it .. I would give it to you. Your life is more valuable to me than a gun.
 
Oh I could care less about the sensitivity of the gun nuts. They can rationalize anything but never draw the conclusion that easy access to firearms contributes to situations like these. Having said that, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I believe that the freedom and right to protect ourselves is worth the risk associated.
 
They called people who had the duty, training, and responsibility to respond with guns.
so people don't have a duty and responsibility to provide for their own safety?

Same difference.
having trained with both, I must tell you that you are wrong, my friend.

Much respect for you as well brother .. and our difference here won't change that. However, guns in supposedly the right hands kill family members and associates, and children every year.
yes, accidents can happen. nothing will ever change that, unfortunately. And again, you can never prevent crimes within a household because you can kill with anything including your bare hands.
 
By Monday several more lives will have been sacrificed to American gun laws and the lunatics that think they have a god given right to own a device designed to kill.
There is no such thing as "god given rights" there are only "Human Rights" and we consider it a human right to be able to defend life, liberty and property. That doesn't justify those who abuse that right or interpret it with literal fanatacism.
 
Did he manifest himself as a liberal? That is after all the ultimate mental disorder. Just saying

I was wondering who would be the first to venture as to the political views of this nut as I have been reading the posts this morning. I hate it when that happens. A lot of times people like this likely don't have enough going on to even know who their governor is or even the vice president...and have no political direction. But one thing is for sure, you can't determine what that political direction would be just because someone goes off their rocker and does something like this.

Now I'm going to take Darla's lead and not comment anymore on this for a few days before I say something in the heat of the moment I'd regret. This is such a tragedy and my prayers and heart goes out to the families of the victims.
 
the weapon of choice does matter, how do you kill 15 ppl with a knife? ( unless you're Bruce Lee -then you don't need weapons).

how about twelve?....
At 12:33 p.m. JST, a man hit a crowd with a truck, eventually killing three people and injuring two; he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife[1]), killing four people and injuring eight.[2][3][4][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

or eight....
At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
 
You were founded on freedoms yet you sat back and watched them eroded . Freedom is not an American thing. Most countries in the world have at least as much freedom as America has.
on this, we agree wholeheartedly. the problem we deal with now is those of us who declare our freedoms and say we will defend them, violently if necessary, then have to deal with people who consider us crazy. damned if we do and damned if we don't.
 
Anyone who thinks there is "easy" access to get a gun obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. But as another poster said, it is funny that if you are in trouble, you call a guy who ironically has a gun. If you are afraid to handle one, just say so
Fuck I bought a gun at an auction the other week. No questions asked. I paid the money and left with the gun. I could go out right now and have pretty much the hand gun of choice with in a day. Now I can understand that to poorly educated right wingers filling out a form is a major challenge and would be a major difficulty for you but for us literate people it's not really a significant challenge.
 
You make my point brother. You have a gun and you think to kill me.
this is not true. I have no wish to kill you, but I will if you intend to take away my rights. I sincerely hope it never comes to that.

I have no thought whatsoever of ever killing you. If I had a gun, which I do not .. and you tried to take it .. I would give it to you. Your life is more valuable to me than a gun.
I simply cannot understand the mindset of a group of people that willingly surrender their best tools to defend themselves.
 
I believe that the freedom and right to protect ourselves is worth the risk associated.
I concur. That's what I meant by the "throwing the baby out with the bath water" comment. However, we do need a balance between protecting our rights and common sense public safety. Though I have no idea how that would apply to this particular situation and if any such common sense measure could have prevented this.
 
Fuck I bought a gun at an auction the other week. No questions asked. I paid the money and left with the gun. I could go out right now and have pretty much the hand gun of choice with in a day. Now I can understand that to poorly educated right wingers filling out a form is a major challenge and would be a major difficulty for you but for us literate people it's not really a significant challenge.
if you were literate, you'd be able to read and understand the constitution instead of relying on 9 black robed tyrants to interpret it for you.
 
You can kill far more with a car than with a gun. Some old man accidentally hitting the accelerator rather than the brake driving into a crowd killed some 27 people in less than 30 seconds.
Agree. but how often does that happen? and that was an ACCIDENT.
Gun deaths in the US are routine, we see them every night on the news, don't even think about it -it's considered normal.
Drive a car into a bunch of ppl -it's national news.
 
Agree. but how often does that happen? and that was an ACCIDENT.
Gun deaths in the US are routine, we see them every night on the news, don't even think about it -it's considered normal.
Drive a car into a bunch of ppl -it's national news.
most of those gun deaths are gang related, so most people are just not going to give a damn. at least half of the others might have been prevented had other people been around to defend themselves with their own guns.
 
I went there when I lived in that area. Of course I didn't have kids. I've been in that theater specifically, theater 9 at Century 16. I hear the fire alarm pulled at the beginning of it is still going off right now. I'm sure your friends' movie was interrupted. I'm glad they are okay.

yeah, they work at Buckley... took their boys. right now the boys seem to be shrugging it off way better than their dads. The news of the kids killed there is hitting them hard.
 
so people don't have a duty and responsibility to provide for their own safety?

I've lived in urban environments all my life. I have a duty and responsibility to not only provide for my own security, but also to those around me when required.

I don't own a gun .. never have.

The greatest weapon is the mind.

having trained with both, I must tell you that you are wrong, my friend.

Obviously the difference didn't make much difference in this case. The shooter was able to kill and injure as many as he did because he was not firing single shot.

yes, accidents can happen. nothing will ever change that, unfortunately. And again, you can never prevent crimes within a household because you can kill with anything including your bare hands.

It isn't just the accidents. Murdering someone you know is commonplace. It's the first place the police look.

I can respect whatever means you take to protect yourself, but the cost of a gun society are obvious.
 
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