Condi Rice for VP?

Rana said:
It does, too. We often do not see ourselves as others see us. Your words here lead me to believe you're a racists, no matter what you believe of yourself, I think you find yourself superior to others, and African Americans in particular.
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Understatement of the week. :D
 
Rana said:
It does, too. We often do not see ourselves as others see us. Your words here lead me to believe you're a racists, no matter what you believe of yourself, I think you find yourself superior to others, and African Americans in particular.
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No, my words were completely innocuous and had no racist connotation whatsoever. It was your MIND which found racism, and it did so because you are a bigot.
 
Dixie said:
No, my words were completely innocuous and had no racist connotation whatsoever. It was your MIND which found racism, and it did so because you are a bigot.
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Well, I am pretty sure I am not alone in my assessment and perception of you, Dixie.
 
Rana said:
Does he have you on ignore?
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He says he does...

Dixie said:
Racism is the belief that one race is superior or inferior to another. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with perception. Or better yet, it has nothing to do with perception UNLESS YOU ARE A BIGOT!
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Hah! You couldn't be more wrong!

http://askville.amazon.com/difference-belief-knowledge/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2572218

Epistemologically speaking, nothing

Ultimately, everything that we "know" is a matter of perception. We could be just brains-in-vats, and everything we "know" is just an illusion.

So there’s no clear line between knowledge and belief, but in general the line is a difference in repeatability. I "know" that my cell phone is in my pocket because I can go check it. Every time I repeat the experiment, my cell phone is there.

And I "know" that there is a city called Toronto in Canada, because I can go check it. I don’t actually have to go there and prove it, because I know that I could. Other people report that they’ve done the experiment, and that’ll be good enough for now. So I call it "knowledge", and I’ll revise what I know if I start hearing reports that Toronto is actually a kind of citrus fruit.

The ironic point is that the experiment could fail. The possibility of failure is critical. If I could said, "Well, I put my hand in my pocket and my cell phone isn’t there, but I’ll say that it is anyway," then my experiment wouldn’t really prove much. We’d just say, "My cell phone is there, whether it really is or not", and that’s not terribly useful. My cell phone is on

By contrast, "belief" is for stuff which we can’t demonstrate. I believe that we will some day cure cancer, even though I can’t do an experiment to show it. I could wait a hundred years, but if it hadn’t been found, it might just need another hundred years.

So that’s the difference: knowledge is belief you can test. And by "test", I mean the possibility of proving that it isn’t true. If you believe it and no evidence could convince you otherwise, then the belief isn’t particularly useful. You might well act on it, but you cannot be sure that it’s true.

There are some beliefs that people choose to believe that absolutely cannot be refuted. We can call these "faith". (We also have "faith" that the sun will rise tomorrow, but that's a less interesting sense of the word.) There is no inherent problem with faith; since it can't be tested it can't be proven wrong. Many people find that it helps them get through their day.

The only problem comes when my immovable faith meets your unstoppable belief. Then people get hurt. But until then we all get along pretty well despite (and, often, because of) our faiths.
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And this is why...
 
Howey, Dixie just can't stand being shown his ignorance, most likely the reason he has you on IA! Wear it with pride!
 
Dixie said:
No, you're by far, not the only bigot in the world. Nor are you the only one who finds comfort in a group of like-minded bigots... some of them even wear sheets.
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If not tolerating racism is being a bigot, then I am a HUGE bigot.
 
Dixie said:
Excuse me, but can you explain how "being led around by the nose ring" is racist? Particularly since the people doing the leading around are Democrats?

Dixie is not a racist, and has never been a racist. If there is a "dixie is racist fire" it is the concoction of foolish bigots who don't know shit about Dixie.
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apparently, though they're full of it, they have little experience with the other end of the bull....
 
blackascoal said:
WHAT???

:0) :0) :0)

You should be careful slinging words around like "ignorant" .. given that you appear so, SO incredibly ignorant about Nixon's Southerm Strategy.

RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

OOoopppsss .. it appears the ignorance has been found.

What you argue is mindless .. and you're not very researched in your arguments.
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YES... Just like is said, the PROPAGANDA put out by the left, certainly does paint Nixon's Southern Strategy as "racist and wrong" but there is no basis to support that. Give me some speeches, some policy initiatives that were racist! Desegregation and busing had happened before Nixon even ran, it was part of the Civil Rights movement in the mid-60s. Democrat George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door years before Nixon, and had moved by then. Perhaps to some degree, you have a point about Nixon attempting to 'appeal' to a large segment of white voters on the emotive elements of race and the polarization... but let me ask you this... Is it more important that we label Nixon or LBJ as racists, than being honest about what is inside our own hearts? Why does it matter whether two dead presidents were racists, as long as we're not? It's not 1970 BAC, we don't live in the past. Why do you think it fair to label the entire Republican Party of 2012 as racist, based on Nixon 1968, but give a pass to the Democrats long and arduous segregationist history?

By TODAY'S standards, Abraham Lincoln was "racist" and he was the first Republican president! We can't measure things today, by standards and speech of yesterday, it was a different time and a different culture. The republicans have never been "against" black people, or ANY people, they are very much PRO-people! Their opposition, is not to people at all, but to government OVER people. Doesn't matter if you are red, white, blue, or green, BAC... Republicans want you to succeed on merit.
 
Dixie said:
YES... Just like is said, the PROPAGANDA put out by the left, certainly does paint Nixon's Southern Strategy as "racist and wrong" but there is no basis to support that. Give me some speeches, some policy initiatives that were racist! Desegregation and busing had happened before Nixon even ran, it was part of the Civil Rights movement in the mid-60s. Democrat George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door years before Nixon, and had moved by then. Perhaps to some degree, you have a point about Nixon attempting to 'appeal' to a large segment of white voters on the emotive elements of race and the polarization... but let me ask you this... Is it more important that we label Nixon or LBJ as racists, than being honest about what is inside our own hearts? Why does it matter whether two dead presidents were racists, as long as we're not? It's not 1970 BAC, we don't live in the past. Why do you think it fair to label the entire Republican Party of 2012 as racist, based on Nixon 1968, but give a pass to the Democrats long and arduous segregationist history?

By TODAY'S standards, Abraham Lincoln was "racist" and he was the first Republican president! We can't measure things today, by standards and speech of yesterday, it was a different time and a different culture. The republicans have never been "against" black people, or ANY people, they are very much PRO-people! Their opposition, is not to people at all, but to government OVER people. Doesn't matter if you are red, white, blue, or green, BAC... Republicans want you to succeed on merit.
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Bawahahahahaha, yeah, Republicans are so Pro People as longs they make $250,000, are white or look white and are male! Then they LOVE you!
 
Rana said:
Bawahahahahaha, yeah, Republicans are so Pro People as longs they make $250,000, are white or look white and are male! Then they LOVE you!
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We've not made distinctions on people based on $250k per year incomes, that comes from YOU.

Condoleeza Rice, last I checked, was neither white nor male, and doesn't look like it. Just about every conservative has said they LOVE her.

Bawahahaha is right, sweetie. 'Cept it is YOU who is being laughed at.
 
When did Bella Abzug become black
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Bella Abzug has never been black. She was Jewish and female. I made an error in a thread two days ago, to which I immediately admitted, and here you are dragging that around like a cat with a two-day-old dead mouse. Do you need someone to praise you for this or something? If not, can you shut the fuck up and discuss the thread topic, or leave so others can? Or maybe that is far too much to ask of a retard such as yourself?
 
Dixie said:
Bella Abzug has never been black. She was Jewish and female. I made an error in a thread two days ago, to which I immediately admitted
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This was your "admission":
Well okay, so big fucking deal! I gave Democrats more credit than deserved, that's one less prominent black Democrat they could have put on a ticket!

Feel better?
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and here you are dragging that around like a cat with a two-day-old dead mouse. Do you need someone to praise you for this or something? If not, can you shut the fuck up and discuss the thread topic, or leave so others can? Or maybe that is far too much to ask of a retard such as yourself?
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When you can demonstrate something that remotely resembles humility, and a realistic perception of yourself rather than your current grandiose delusion of self-importance, I'll cut you a bit of slack when you make humiliating intellectual blunders. You weren't even capable of graciously admitting your Bella Abzug error; you had to warp it into some 'favor' you were doing by assuming there were more black democrats than there are.

Are you starting to get a clue yet as to why you're such an easy mark yet, rube? Here's a hint: it's because you're a blowhard. Even when you're wrong, you're an obnoxious asshole.

You're welcome. :)
 
Bijou said:
When you can demonstrate something that remotely resembles humility, and a realistic perception of yourself rather than your current grandiose delusion of self-importance, I'll cut you a bit of slack when you make humiliating intellectual blunders. You weren't even capable of graciously admitting your Bella Abzug error; you had to warp it into some 'favor' you were doing by assuming there were more black democrats than there are.
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in other words, no.....she can't stop dragging it around like a cat with a two day old dead mouse and start discussing the issue......probably because she knows she will lose a debate on the issue and prefers a "win" with the two day old dead mouse......
 
Dixie said:
YES... Just like is said, the PROPAGANDA put out by the left, certainly does paint Nixon's Southern Strategy as "racist and wrong" but there is no basis to support that. Give me some speeches, some policy initiatives that were racist! Desegregation and busing had happened before Nixon even ran, it was part of the Civil Rights movement in the mid-60s. Democrat George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door years before Nixon, and had moved by then. Perhaps to some degree, you have a point about Nixon attempting to 'appeal' to a large segment of white voters on the emotive elements of race and the polarization... but let me ask you this... Is it more important that we label Nixon or LBJ as racists, than being honest about what is inside our own hearts? Why does it matter whether two dead presidents were racists, as long as we're not? It's not 1970 BAC, we don't live in the past. Why do you think it fair to label the entire Republican Party of 2012 as racist, based on Nixon 1968, but give a pass to the Democrats long and arduous segregationist history?

By TODAY'S standards, Abraham Lincoln was "racist" and he was the first Republican president! We can't measure things today, by standards and speech of yesterday, it was a different time and a different culture. The republicans have never been "against" black people, or ANY people, they are very much PRO-people! Their opposition, is not to people at all, but to government OVER people. Doesn't matter if you are red, white, blue, or green, BAC... Republicans want you to succeed on merit.
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:0) You must be joking. Did you not read the title and the subject of the article?

RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes

How is that "PROPAGANDA put out by the left???"

I greatly appreciate your civility and willingness to stand and engage in good debate to support and defend the things you believe brother. Talking to you is often good conversation. I believe that from your heart, you're speaking to a Republican Party that you wish it to be. However, that is not the Republican Party that it is .. and, I ask you to consider for a moment the perspectives of the targets of racism .. and in truth, should that not be the ultimate measure of levels and effects of racism .. the perspectives of the people who have suffered from it most?

Are you aware that African-Americans have only been relatively free for 47 years in the United States. We've been in this country since 1619 and only relatively free for 47 years since the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Thus the reason why the frame of reference for this conversation must be within the period when blacks had finally FORCED our way to relative freedom. Even after almost 400 years in this country, freedom was still not given .. it had to be forced. The history pre-Civil Rights is a different conversation.

Whether you agree or not, whether it conforms to what you wish or not, the Republican Party is virtually an all-white party. Throughout this conversation you've continued to dodge that TRUTH. Take this opportunity now and challenge that .. or accept that TRUTH.

Do you support Affirmative Action .. and of course you don't.

Do you support voter-id laws? Of course you do.

Do you support America's wars? Of course you do.

Do you support the Bush tax cuts? Of course you do.

I could go down a long list of issues where republicans and blacks are diametrically opposed to each other. In fact, there is very little in the republican agenda that is attractive .. and stop with the republicans create jobs .. no they don't.

It's easy to see the racial, if not necessarily racist, makeup of the republican agenda. That's a reality that you refuse to see .. even when it's staring you in the face. You look to blame everything on "liberals" and propaganda .. even when its coming from your own side.
 
blackascoal said:
:0) You must be joking. Did you not read the title and the subject of the article?

RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes
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And there is a VAST difference between "exploit racial conflict" and "supported racist beliefs."

How is that "PROPAGANDA put out by the left???"
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In your misinterpretating the RNC Chief to be saying Republicans were racists and now we're sorry.

I greatly appreciate your civility and willingness to stand and engage in good debate to support and defend the things you believe brother. Talking to you is often good conversation. I believe that from your heart, you're speaking to a Republican Party that you wish it to be. However, that is not the Republican Party that it is .. and, I ask you to consider for a moment the perspectives of the targets of racism .. and in truth, should that not be the ultimate measure of levels and effects of racism .. the perspectives of the people who have suffered from it most?
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I have presented the foundational purpose and mission statement of the Republican Party, as well as it's history, which are essentially the ANTITHESIS of racism or racial prejudice, and you keep telling me they are no longer standing for these things or these principles. You have no proof other than your perspective which is clearly tainted by propaganda. You can't cite an example of policy or show any speech that appears racist in any connotation, unless you take great leaps of logic to deduce it. You've completely re-written history to fit your narrative, and tune out anything that attempts to correct it. The fact that you are trying to argue that an organization exists, which is completely contrary and opposite of what it was established as and has stood for, is quite simply, ludicrous.

Are you aware that African-Americans have only been relatively free for 47 years in the United States. We've been in this country since 1619 and only relatively free for 47 years since the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Thus the reason why the frame of reference for this conversation must be within the period when blacks had finally FORCED our way to relative freedom. Even after almost 400 years in this country, freedom was still not given .. it had to be forced. The history pre-Civil Rights is a different conversation.
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Are you aware that at the time of your emancipation from slavery, the "Democrats" wanted you to remain slaves, and for the Federal government to stay the hell out of the business of the plantation owners? That it was only because of Republicans who courageously defeated them in the arena of ideas, that you became free? And again in 1964, when the issue of your Civil Rights came to a head, were you aware it was Democrats who defiantly refused to let go of segregation to the last breath, literally fracturing the party? Were you aware, that if it were not for Republicans, the Civil Rights Act would have never passed?

Oh, but that's right... in your mind, there was this unrecorded miraculous event that took place, where R's & D's somehow swapped places! Right?
I gotta give you guys credit, that is one more amazing feat to attempt! It takes balls to believe people can be stupid enough to buy it!

Whether you agree or not, whether it conforms to what you wish or not, the Republican Party is virtually an all-white party. Throughout this conversation you've continued to dodge that TRUTH. Take this opportunity now and challenge that .. or accept that TRUTH.
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Well I don't agree that the Republican party is "virtually" an all white party, because they are nowhere near "ALL" white. There are people of every race, religion, and creed, who belong to the Republican party, and support the principles of the Republican party. This has been the case since the Republican party was formed, by anti-slavery advocates. Now granted... in the 1850s, we didn't have as many African-Americans in the Republican party as today, and we were much closer to being "all-white." This doesn't change our founding core beliefs and principles, and WHY we are Republican.

Do you support Affirmative Action .. and of course you don't.
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I think it's a racist policy, and you are a racist if you support it.

Do you support voter-id laws? Of course you do.
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Again, has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with integrity of elections.

Do you support America's wars? Of course you do.
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Supporting or not supporting wars, has nothing to do with racism.

Do you support the Bush tax cuts? Of course you do.
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Again, absolutely NOTHING to do with race or racism.

In every instance, you want to FIND racism, because someone doesn't agree with your philsophy.

I could go down a long list of issues where republicans and blacks are diametrically opposed to each other. In fact, there is very little in the republican agenda that is attractive .. and stop with the republicans create jobs .. no they don't.
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Oh, no doubt... If the argument we are having, is whether blacks historically support the D and not the R, then you win, BAC! I can't refute the brilliance of that.... it's pretty obvious blacks find more to support Democrats for than Republicans. You have all your welfare programs and assistances, and the promise to take more from 'the rich' and make even more programs and assitances for you... I don't blame you for wanting more. Tell me something, how much more 'help' do you figure black people need to be equal to whites? We've been doing this stuff for close to 50 years, and your black teens are having babies out of wedlock more now than ever, your youth are failing in schools, highly unemployable, black on black crime continues to claim lives every day, inner-ctiy gangs have taken over in many cities, but yet.... YOUR DEMOCRATS keep plugging away at the problems with our tax dollars. Isn't it even the least bit curious to you? You'd think, what with ALL the programs and things that have been done for you by Democrats, blacks would be doing better, not worse.

But now... SOME blacks ARE doing better... it's just that, they are usually Republicans. You see, Republicans believe that while you are a 'black' man, you are more importantly, 'a man' and as such, you have the right to achieve success through your individual talent and imagination. That you don't need the government to reaffirm this right, or to give you special treatment or favors, but to remove barriers and obstacles and allow you to reach your potential as an individual. It has nothing to do with your race. You are bitter at R's because they don't hand out special favors to your race, but that's not what they are about, they believe in YOU, and don't believe you NEED favoritism.

It's easy to see the racial, if not necessarily racist, makeup of the republican agenda. That's a reality that you refuse to see .. even when it's staring you in the face. You look to blame everything on "liberals" and propaganda .. even when its coming from your own side.
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You've not shown a thing about Republicans, the Republican platform, or Republican ideology, to be racist, or anything other than the diametric OPPOSITE of racist. When you draw these false inferences on their agenda, YOU become the racist, BAC! YOU are the one being PREJUDICED in your view. Congrats, you are absolutely no different than Archie Bunker! Bigoted in your stubborn beliefs that things are just the way they are, and you're right about it all.
 
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