Another OWEbama fail

The Volt is a piece of shit - that is why it is not profitable. $45k for an "electric" car that starts using a gasoline engine after 20 - 30 miles.

The Nissan Leaf is awesome. 100% electric and goes 75 miles on a charge. I've driven one...it's like floating on a cloud. That is why Nissan is making money from it.

Pretty simple.
 
c'est la vie said:
The Volt is a piece of shit - that is why it is not profitable. $45k for an "electric" car that starts using a gasoline engine after 20 - 30 miles.

The Nissan Leaf is awesome. 100% electric and goes 75 miles on a charge. I've driven one...it's like floating on a cloud. That is why Nissan is making money from it.

Pretty simple.
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The point is, 10 years ago there weren't any 100%"electric" cars, now there are several...


How many MORE will we see in another decade? How much MORE EFFICIENT will they be?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The point is, 10 years ago there weren't any 100%"electric" cars, now there are several...


How many MORE will we see in another decade? How much MORE EFFICIENT will they be?
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In a free market there wouldn't be any because they are unprofitable and inefficient. I don't have a problem per se with electric cars. I have a problem with the gobblement propping up a failed venture with our tax dollars to appease some bogus science.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The point is, 10 years ago there weren't any 100%"electric" cars, now there are several...


How many MORE will we see in another decade? How much MORE EFFICIENT will they be?
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I'm pretty sure there have been electric cars since the 1890's. What's pathetic is that even an old Baker Electric car from the early 1900's has a longer range than that piece of shit from Government Motors.
 
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FactsRStubborn said:
In a free market there wouldn't be any because they are unprofitable and inefficient. I don't have a problem per se with electric cars. I have a problem with the gobblement propping up a failed venture with our tax dollars to appease some bogus science.
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The Nissan Leaf is profitable. It is somewhat popular in Seattle...I see at least one on any given day. I believe the Focus EV will also be profitable, as Ford has a good track record of profiting without subsidies.
 
c'est la vie said:
The Volt is a piece of shit - that is why it is not profitable. $45k for an "electric" car that starts using a gasoline engine after 20 - 30 miles.

The Nissan Leaf is awesome. 100% electric and goes 75 miles on a charge. I've driven one...it's like floating on a cloud. That is why Nissan is making money from it.

Pretty simple.
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Proof positive that the bailout, and subsequent restructuring was a step in the right direction

Foreign competition was way ahead of the curve, while we were still pushing gas guzzlers on soccer moms.

The US is late to the game. Partly due to the strength of the Oil lobby, and partly due to our disgusting way of life.

That doesn't mean we won't compete....we just didn't get a head start.
 
c'est la vie said:
The Nissan Leaf is profitable. It is somewhat popular in Seattle...I see at least one on any given day. I believe the Focus EV will also be profitable, as Ford has a good track record of profiting without subsidies.
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Another one spilling dumb out of their mouth.
It'll be years before automakers can take the training wheels off their electric car making divisions, but how many years is an open question.

"We expect subsidies will help us achieve half-a-million cars a year," Carlos Tavares, Nissan's executive vice president, said Wednesday at a panel at Fortune's Brainstorm Green conference. "That's when we can reduce costs for the customers ourselves."

Thats about two or three more years of government subsidies, according to Brian Dumaine, Fortune's senior editor, who moderated the panel.

Tavares didn't object to Dumaine's estimate, but Ford's electric car chief, Nancy Gioia, did.

"I'm not sure I'm in full agreement, we're looking at a million plus vehicles a year," to be self sufficient, she said. That's a lot of electric cars for automakers, especially considering that today there are just a small number of plug-in vehicles plying America's roads.

The biggest obstacle they are encountering is battery technology, which is still very expensive. "A full battery vehicle is still a substantial expense," Gioia said. And that's something that Nissan's Tavares agreed with. "Affordability is key," he said.

Ford (F, Fortune 500) and Nissan are going after the affordable car market, so scale is of great importance to them. They have to build -- and sell -- lots of affordable electric vehicles before they start making money and be weaned off subsidies.
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These vehicles are using new technologies, particularly batteries.

Remember, the first cell phone weighed 2lbs and cost almost $4000.

Sheesh. It's raining stupid around here!
 
Althea said:
Proof positive that the bailout, and subsequent restructuring was a step in the right direction

Foreign competition was way ahead of the curve, while we were still pushing gas guzzlers on soccer moms.

The US is late to the game. Partly due to the strength of the Oil lobby, and partly due to our disgusting way of life.

That doesn't mean we won't compete....we just didn't get a head start.
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What do find disgusting about your particular way of life?

How many Volta do you own?
 
Yurt said:
what? pointing out that you are wrong is now being a douche?

good lord, why are you so full of hate zappa?
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The point is that 10 years ago the technology wasn't nearly where it is today and we can see this by just looking at the number of electrics and hybrids available 10 years ago vs. what is available today.

But whatever you do, don't admit that the technology is advancing and the market is starting to come around to thye idea of a mass produced electric car.
 
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