Obama: If you got a business, you didn't build that!

Jarod said:
Very dishonest clip and thread from Damocles!
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When I first came here I remembered a qoute from Damo...something to the effect that his posts were meant to point things out. At the time I innocently believed it was right wing hypocrisy. Now I see it's only his own...
 
Jarod said:
Very dishonest clip and thread from Damocles!
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How is it dishonest Jarod? Was it not Obama speaking? Was it edited to make Obama say something he didn't? I don't get it...It is essentially the same thing the communist Elizabeth Warren said in one of here campaign speeches. Socialist minds think alike.
 
j-mac said:
How is it dishonest Jarod? Was it not Obama speaking? Was it edited to make Obama say something he didn't? I don't get it...It is essentially the same thing the communist Elizabeth Warren said in one of here campaign speeches. Socialist minds think alike.
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If you listen to the entire speech, you would see that the clip conveys a different meaning than tge president intended, due to selective editing.
 
j-mac said:
How is it dishonest Jarod? Was it not Obama speaking? Was it edited to make Obama say something he didn't? I don't get it...It is essentially the same thing the communist Elizabeth Warren said in one of here campaign speeches. Socialist minds think alike.
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After reading his comments Elizabeth Warren's comments popped into my head as well. To each his own but I do not understand that mindset.
 
Jarod said:
If you listen to the entire speech, you would see that the clip conveys a different meaning than tge president intended, due to selective editing.
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What was the meaning then? Collectivism? collective salvation? What?
 
Dixie said:
And it's getting harder and more rare for people to do what you did. As I said, there are exceptions, you can work hard enough to overcome the burdens government places on small business, it's just not as easy as it was in the 1950s. Most small business nowadays, are started by people who have saved or have pensions, and can secure the financial backing to get off the ground. Mom and Pops today, are started the opposite of how they once were, instead of starting with nothing and working into a success, they are started after success in some other career, with the available funding to make the dream happen. It may still require a great deal of work and effort, and it may still ultimately fail, but it's easier to start a business if you have the money to start one.
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OK, Dix. I can't believe I'm agreeing with you and if anyone quotes me I'll deny I said it. I learned that much from Newt. Plausible implausible deniability.

I'll also add the government gets involved because some folks go into business not knowing the first thing about a business. In the "old days" a person may have worked for a decade or more in a line of work before considering going into business for themselves. Today, it's either franchise owners or scam artists who know absolutely nothing about the businesses from a ground up perspective.

In msg #17 you wrote,
In my life, all I can really go by is my personal experiences. All I can say is, I have only known of one person who started with nothing, opened a small business (Mom & Pop) and eventually succeeded.
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My personal eperience has shown the few successful business owners I know skirted the law and/or ripped off clients/customers and I'm talking about a restaurant, a scrap car operation, a truck/delivery route business and a garage. They've either directly told me their story or a close confidant informed me.

As Obama said there are a lot of smart, hardworking people out there. If that's all it took to be successful there would be a lot more successful people.
 
apple0154 said:
Here's what he's talking about. The self-made man.

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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You forgot to include the part where he meets Julia (remember her) and they get pregnant even though she is on the pill and she runs to Planned Parenthood to kill it. Then they get married and buy a Chevy Volt. Unfortunately,

So basically nothing good can happen to you unless the gobblement allows for it to happen? This is how it happened for the shitbirds during Katrina. They became so dependent on the gobblement that when it all fell apart they were standing there like fucking losers at the Convention Center and the SuperDome crying "why won't someone come help us?".

I actually feel sorry for you
 
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. *They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. *You didn’t get there on your own. *I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. *There are a lot of smart people out there. *It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. *Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. *(Applause.)

* * *If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. *There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. *Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. *Somebody invested in roads and bridges. *If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. *Somebody else made that happen. *The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. *Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

* * *The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. *There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. *I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. *That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.*"


I agree!
 
Rune said:
I started my business on a shoe string as a teenager. Was called lifting yourself by your own boot straps back then. I still run it today. I own it all, never had a bank business loan, re-invested profits, worked a ton of hours the first 20 years. I am a first generation american, which apparently makes starting a business easier.
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Well, Obama says you didn't start it on your own, everyone helped you and without that help, you'd have shit.....so like all idiot liberals, believe it.....and give back
to those that helped make you ...... pay more taxes like a good little lemming, your VP says its patriotic to pay generously....
AF1 doesn't fly on water you know......those conventions don't get paid by donations.....etc.
 
FactsRStubborn said:
You forgot to include the part where he meets Julia (remember her) and they get pregnant even though she is on the pill and she runs to Planned Parenthood to kill it. Then they get married and buy a Chevy Volt. Unfortunately,

So basically nothing good can happen to you unless the gobblement allows for it to happen? This is how it happened for the shitbirds during Katrina. They became so dependent on the gobblement that when it all fell apart they were standing there like fucking losers at the Convention Center and the SuperDome crying "why won't someone come help us?".

I actually feel sorry for you
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Don't feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for those who believe in the Repub propaganda that only by placating the rich will the poor survive. If the rich don't throw a few scraps our way (trickle down) we'll all suffer a terrible fate.

Regarding Katrina why on earth would anyone think a government (the Repubs) that detests social programs would come to the rescue? We saw what happens when people vote for a government that believes everyone is on their own. Why would anyone expect anything different?
 
Albert Einstein:


"How strange is the lot of us mortals! Each of us is here for a brief sojourn; for what purpose he knows not, though he sometimes thinks he senses it. But without deeper reflection one knows from daily life that one exists for other people — first of all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness is wholly dependent, and then for the many, unknown to us, to whose destinies we are bound by the ties of sympathy. A hundred times every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving."​
 
sedan said:
Albert Einstein:

"How strange is the lot of us mortals! Each of us is here for a brief sojourn; for what purpose he knows not, though he sometimes thinks he senses it. But without deeper reflection one knows from daily life that one exists for other people — first of all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness is wholly dependent, and then for the many, unknown to us, to whose destinies we are bound by the ties of sympathy. A hundred times every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving."​
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"In my opinion, an autocratic system of coercion soon degenerates; force attracts men of low morality" ..... Albert Einstein


An "autocratic system of coercion" ?

....Taxation enforced by threats ?
....Charity by force of law ?
 
apple0154 said:
...that only by placating the rich will the poor survive. If the rich don't throw a few scraps our way (trickle down) we'll all suffer a terrible fate.
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The problem with Liberals is, they don't understand 'trickle down' economics. It has nothing to do with 'throwing scraps your way' and everything to do with entrepreneurial freedom. If you don't like scraps, you can make your own business to provide whatever level of service or product the people desire, so you don't have to settle for scraps. When government controls those means and makes entrepreneurial freedom impossible, we depend on the government for scraps. The major downside to this is, we can't do anything about the government scraps, because government is not in business to satisfy the customer, it doesn't have to. We can take our scraps and be grateful, and hope that maybe the scraps will be enough. Historically speaking, government scraps have never been enough.

"Placating the rich" is not what you are doing when you enable people with the capital to invest and take risks to do so. What you ARE doing, is enabling some people to have more than scraps, to have a real paying job with a good company, to be a part of something, to make a product or provide a service that people need and want, because they desire more than scraps.

When you successfully destroy Capitalism and free markets, we will indeed suffer a terrible fate. When the Socialist State controls the distribution of our scraps and not Capitalists, and you start bitching and moaning about your scraps, do you know what generally happens to you then? Unlike the corporations who have to tolerate your freedom of speech and relentless attacks on them, the State doesn't have to put up with you. I could post pictures of mass graves from Socialist failures, but I think you get the idea.

Regarding Katrina why on earth would anyone think a government (the Repubs) that detests social programs would come to the rescue? We saw what happens when people vote for a government that believes everyone is on their own. Why would anyone expect anything different?
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I don't know why on earth anyone would think that about Republicans...

GWB became the first president in history to declare a national disaster in a place BEFORE the disaster happened. Did you know that?

As people suffered inside the Superdome, hundreds of FEMA trucks were parked on the side of the interstate outside New Orleans, unable to get in because the state would not give the okay to allow traffic on the roads inside the city. Did you know that?

Five days before Katrina struck the coast, Bush had already contacted the Gov. of LA, to find out what resources were needed from a Federal level to assist, and received NO response. Did you know that?

For MONTHS after Katrina, temporary mobile housing units provided by FEMA sat on boxcars outside New Orleans in the sun, until their frames warped from being strapped down, rendering them unusable... WHY? Because of the ordinance in the city against mobile housing. Did you know that?
 
Dixie said:
The problem with Liberals is, they don't understand 'trickle down' economics. It has nothing to do with 'throwing scraps your way' and everything to do with entrepreneurial freedom. If you don't like scraps, you can make your own business to provide whatever level of service or product the people desire, so you don't have to settle for scraps. When government controls those means and makes entrepreneurial freedom impossible, we depend on the government for scraps. The major downside to this is, we can't do anything about the government scraps, because government is not in business to satisfy the customer, it doesn't have to. We can take our scraps and be grateful, and hope that maybe the scraps will be enough. Historically speaking, government scraps have never been enough.

"Placating the rich" is not what you are doing when you enable people with the capital to invest and take risks to do so. What you ARE doing, is enabling some people to have more than scraps, to have a real paying job with a good company, to be a part of something, to make a product or provide a service that people need and want, because they desire more than scraps.

When you successfully destroy Capitalism and free markets, we will indeed suffer a terrible fate. When the Socialist State controls the distribution of our scraps and not Capitalists, and you start bitching and moaning about your scraps, do you know what generally happens to you then? Unlike the corporations who have to tolerate your freedom of speech and relentless attacks on them, the State doesn't have to put up with you. I could post pictures of mass graves from Socialist failures, but I think you get the idea.



I don't know why on earth anyone would think that about Republicans...

GWB became the first president in history to declare a national disaster in a place BEFORE the disaster happened. Did you know that?

As people suffered inside the Superdome, hundreds of FEMA trucks were parked on the side of the interstate outside New Orleans, unable to get in because the state would not give the okay to allow traffic on the roads inside the city. Did you know that?

Five days before Katrina struck the coast, Bush had already contacted the Gov. of LA, to find out what resources were needed from a Federal level to assist, and received NO response. Did you know that?

For MONTHS after Katrina, temporary mobile housing units provided by FEMA sat on boxcars outside New Orleans in the sun, until their frames warped from being strapped down, rendering them unusable... WHY? Because of the ordinance in the city against mobile housing. Did you know that?
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And just what kind of Presidential leadership was offered to unsnarl that fiasco? That's right. It was gwb. What could anyone expect from that?
 
FactsRStubborn said:
You forgot to include the part where he meets Julia (remember her) and they get pregnant even though she is on the pill and she runs to Planned Parenthood to kill it. Then they get married and buy a Chevy Volt. Unfortunately,

So basically nothing good can happen to you unless the gobblement allows for it to happen? This is how it happened for the shitbirds during Katrina. They became so dependent on the gobblement that when it all fell apart they were standing there like fucking losers at the Convention Center and the SuperDome crying "why won't someone come help us?".

I actually feel sorry for you
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I am glad you have no need for anything the gov't provides. While I am confused about how you get online, the fact that you don't make use of the clean water, food mostly free from harmful substances and don't have any need of the benefits outlined in the article you quoted.

Your ridiculous reply, while amusing, is in no way like the examples given in the quoted post. Most of us haven't availed ourselves of an abortion or bought a Volt. But all of us have benefited from the work of "liberals" and gov't services.
 
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