Obama finally admits obamacare is a tax increase

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Despite earlier claims by the White House that the individual mandate is a “penalty” not a tax, President Barack Obama on Friday used the word “tax” to describe his health care overhaul during a campaign rally in Virginia.

“By the way, if you’ve got health insurance, you’re not getting hit by a tax,” Obama said during a campaign event in Roanoke, Va. “The only thing that’s happening to you is that you now have more security because insurance companies can’t drop you when you get sick.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-describes-individual-mandate-as-a-tax/
 
Despite earlier claims by the White House that the individual mandate is a “penalty” not a tax, President Barack Obama on Friday used the word “tax” to describe his health care overhaul during a campaign rally in Virginia.

“By the way, if you’ve got health insurance, you’re not getting hit by a tax,” Obama said during a campaign event in Roanoke, Va. “The only thing that’s happening to you is that you now have more security because insurance companies can’t drop you when you get sick.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-describes-individual-mandate-as-a-tax/

It remains only a penalty on freeloaders but defined as a tax by the SCOTUS. What's your beef about that?
 
It remains only a penalty on freeloaders but defined as a tax by the SCOTUS. What's your beef about that?

freeloaders? what? what the fackle are you babbling about?

my beef is simple:

scotus dangerously gave congress unlimited power to tax everything under the sun. obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on those making under 250K....this in fact raises taxes on those making under 250K.

capiche.
 
freeloaders? what? what the fackle are you babbling about?

my beef is simple:

scotus dangerously gave congress unlimited power to tax everything under the sun. obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on those making under 250K....this in fact raises taxes on those making under 250K.

capiche.

You are nothing more than a liar and an obfuscator. Talk your shit to those that might listen. Or maybe your spiritual adviser or even your healthcare provider. You have problems mere counseling cannot solve.

Capiche?
 
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You are nothing more than a liar and an obfuscator. Talk your shit to those that might listen. Or maybe your spiritual adviser or even your healthcare provider. You have problems mere counseling cannot solve.

Capiche?

why do you always get angry when someone answers your questions with logic you can't refute? is there a reason you can't logically counter my points? or are you slamming meth again?
 
typical liberals....run away from things that make obama look bad, bash the thread starter....ad hom, ad hom

tell me bijou...how is this straw grasping....given obama said it is a tax?
 
typical liberals....run away from things that make obama look bad, bash the thread starter....ad hom, ad hom

tell me bijou...how is this straw grasping....given obama said it is a tax?

Who cares what he called it? Oh, and here's a little background on ad hom:

THE AD HOMINEM FALLACY FALLACY

One of the most widely misused terms on the Net is "ad hominem". It is most often introduced into a discussion by certain delicate types, delicate of personality and mind, whenever their opponents resort to a bit of sarcasm. As soon as the suspicion of an insult appears, they summon the angels of ad hominem to smite down their foes, before ascending to argument heaven in a blaze of sanctimonious glory. They may not have much up top, but by God, they don't need it when they've got ad hominem on their side. It's the secret weapon that delivers them from any argument unscathed.

In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments.

Therefore, if you can't demonstrate that your opponent is trying to counter your argument by attacking you, you can't demonstrate that he is resorting to ad hominem. If your opponent's sarcasm is not an attempt to counter your argument, but merely an attempt to insult you (or amuse the bystanders), then it is not part of an ad hominem argument.

Actual instances of argumentum ad hominem are relatively rare. Ironically, the fallacy is most often committed by those who accuse their opponents of ad hominem, since they try to dismiss the opposition not by engaging with their arguments, but by claiming that they resort to personal attacks. Those who are quick to squeal "ad hominem" are often guilty of several other logical fallacies, including one of the worst of all: the fallacious belief that introducing an impressive-sounding Latin term somehow gives one the decisive edge in an argument.

:D
 
who cares? if it is no big deal, why did he make a big deal out of calling it a penalty instead of tax bijou? how is this not a tax increase?

btw...your tired link about ad homs is so full of shit that it causes me to believe you are full of shit. you used an ad hom, live up to it, accept it, learn from it and move on. stop being dumb.
 
who cares? if it is no big deal, why did he make a big deal out of calling it a penalty instead of tax bijou? how is this not a tax increase?

btw...your tired link about ad homs is so full of shit that it causes me to believe you are full of shit. you used an ad hom, live up to it, accept it, learn from it and move on. stop being dumb.

Something tells me Yurt didn't read the ad hom piece......

:rofl2:
 
Since we're supposed to call out Obama on threads about Bush or Romney, should we call out Bush or Romney (or both) on this thread?
 
freeloaders? what? what the fackle are you babbling about?

my beef is simple:

scotus dangerously gave congress unlimited power to tax everything under the sun. obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on those making under 250K....this in fact raises taxes on those making under 250K.

capiche.

When you hand out parking tickets is that a tax or a penalty?
 
Yurt;1037ust don't like liars and obfuscators110 said:
why do you always get angry when someone answers your questions with logic you can't refute? is there a reason you can't logically counter my points? or are you slamming meth again?

I'm not angry, yuck. I just don't like liars and obfuscators that can't back up a single thing they imagine or say and you're that person. You wouldn't understand logic if you took a 6th grade course in it and you certainly can't excuse your poor sense of reality to anything akin to logic. You're a total failure in this regard, yuck. Embrace it and love it. It is who and what you are.
 
I'm not angry, yuck. I just don't like liars and obfuscators that can't back up a single thing they imagine or say and you're that person. You wouldn't understand logic if you took a 6th grade course in it and you certainly can't excuse your poor sense of reality to anything akin to logic. You're a total failure in this regard, yuck. Embrace it and love it. It is who and what you are.

why are you still angry? i asked a simple question and you fly off the handle. tell me, what lies have i told? what is untruthful about this thread?

can you actually focus on the thread topic and not go off on your meth fueled rampages?
 
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