Raise The Minimum Wage!

it is about alleviating very real suffering, much of it endured by children
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And how does that differ greatly from this:

You are still whining about the social injustice, and the disparity between rich and poor, and how this HAS to be done to help the poor... but it never works.

???

Seems to me, you want to get all pissy on semantics here, and I understand why... this is how you behave here! You make an ignorant point, then when confronted with your ignorance, you dance around on a pin, pretending you didn't say what you very clearly said, and you go on and on for two days, until the posts which refuted your ignorant point are lost in the pile... then you pretend you were never refuted and start over.

Raising the MW will not "alleviate" a damn thing! It hasn't in all the 40 years we've been trying to alleviate, has it? Well HAS IT, dumb fuck? Answer the goddamn question, and stop RUNNING AWAY like a little girl! Have we been able to reduce poverty? Have we been able to resolve disparity? When were these imaginary poor starving kids dependent solely on the minimum wage EVER provided for adequately with this program? If they haven't ever been, how the hell can you claim that will happen THIS time?

You are a fucking goofball Liberal, and you support this because that's what was in the Kool-aid for you idiots to gulp this week... next week, it will be some other emotive plea over another problem you CAN'T FIX! Because THAT is all the fuck you people have, is playing on the emotions of the ignorant.
 
I was having trouble falling asleep last night so I smoked a little pot, and I was reading this thread, and this thread is soooo funny when you are high. I was cracking up. Keep it up guys!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I doubt very much you can back up that claim with fact, but I will give you a chance....
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Umm, you will just have to take my word for it. In this thread, that is the standard of proof. If you don't believe me, read the thread. I have repeatedly asked for cites form everyone and received NONE so far, so fuck off, yurt.
 
Dixie said:
Why haven't you answered my question, punk? Are you IGNORING it? In the 40 years we've been raising the MW, when has it helped to alleviate this problem?
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Every time it is raised, until inflation EVENTUALLY catches up.

Then, it is time to raise it again, like now. Only now, the need is far greater than usual, due to the disasterous ineptitude of the Neocon BushII administration, which caused a hundred years of food abundance to become inverted, and food prices shyrocket worldwide.

History will record selfish bastards such as yourself as akin to nazi sympathizers, like BushII's grandfather.
 
Dixie said:
So the answer it, it never fixes anything in the long run. Thanks, that's all.
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That's right asshole. It is an adjustment, nothing more. Only you and your conservatard friends are portraying the minimum wage as a "cure" or "solution". It is not.
 
Well that's a mighty convenient argument to have, which you can always trot out at election time, isn't it? You have a 'solution' to a 'problem' but the 'solution' isn't really a solution, just an 'adjustment' and the 'problem' can never be 'cured' because there is no 'cure.' So in essence, what we have is a dangling carrot on a stick, that we will never get to. We can raise the MW, and as soon as markets adjust, we are right back where we started... with you crying for another increase. We've gone along with this idea for 40 years, and have just as much poverty today as we did back then. People on MW struggling today, just as they were back then. And we can raise it again and again, and the same result will happen, again and again. You are chasing your tail... and if you don't understand that metaphor, go look it up or find a dog to explain the futility in it.
 
Dixie said:
Well that's a mighty convenient argument to have, which you can always trot out at election time, isn't it? You have a 'solution' to a 'problem' but the 'solution' isn't really a solution, just an 'adjustment' and the 'problem' can never be 'cured' because there is no 'cure.' So in essence, what we have is a dangling carrot on a stick, that we will never get to. We can raise the MW, and as soon as markets adjust, we are right back where we started... with you crying for another increase. We've gone along with this idea for 40 years, and have just as much poverty today as we did back then. People on MW struggling today, just as they were back then. And we can raise it again and again, and the same result will happen, again and again. You are chasing your tail... and if you don't understand that metaphor, go look it up or find a dog to explain the futility in it.
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Great. So we agree that the ideal minimum wage law would have the rate indexed to inflation or wages and re-calibrated annually. That's mighty swell of you, Dix.
 
Follow some sensible logic here, Runed...

Let's say I give you a 10% increase in your pay, but this results in prices increasing by 10.1% How has that "helped" you, other than the very brief period it took for the prices to adjust? And if the "idea" is to alleviate a situation, we have to figure when prices increase 10.1%, we will need to then increase your pay by 10% again, to accomplish what we set out to do, but this causes prices to again rise by 10.1% Have you been helped or hurt? You now make 20% more money, but money will buy 20.2% less. How many times do we need to repeat this process, before you comprehend that you aren't "helping" by causing inflation? If the only period in which 'alleviation' happens, is between the raise and the market adjustment, there isn't much point, we will never succeed in our endeavor. We will be constantly chasing the results of our actions... almost akin to punching one's own self in the face, repeatedly.
 
Verbal Dixarhea said:
Follow some sensible logic here, Runed...

Let's say I give you a 10% increase in your pay, but this results in prices increasing by 10.1% How has that "helped" you, other than the very brief period it took for the prices to adjust? And if the "idea" is to alleviate a situation, we have to figure when prices increase 10.1%, we will need to then increase your pay by 10% again, to accomplish what we set out to do, but this causes prices to again rise by 10.1% Have you been helped or hurt? You now make 20% more money, but money will buy 20.2% less. How many times do we need to repeat this process, before you comprehend that you aren't "helping" by causing inflation? If the only period in which 'alleviation' happens, is between the raise and the market adjustment, there isn't much point, we will never succeed in our endeavor. We will be constantly chasing the results of our actions... almost akin to punching one's own self in the face, repeatedly.
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Start by showing how a 10% increase in the SMALLEST segment of the labor market will cause the ENTIRE economy to inflate by 10.1% (IDIOT).
After you post said proof, I will read the rest of your diatribe and respond, if appropriate.
Until then, please shut the fuck up. Your constant repetition of the same unproven, incorrect theories is boring as hell.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Great. So we agree that the ideal minimum wage law would have the rate indexed to inflation or wages and re-calibrated annually. That's mighty swell of you, Dix.
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I didn't agree to any such thing, Gen. Turdmuncher.

Having MW 'indexed to inflation' is genuinely stupid and caustic, and would lead to a complete collapse of the dollar in a matter of a few years.
 
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