obama blasts congress for inaction

It's great how bravs does a cut & paste and thinks he's making an argument.

Cue Dude groan.

Over your pay grade too, huh ? Dude will most likely understand why the Senate is the way it is....ie, Harry Reid

Poor Onecell....
 
Jeez, Damo - you're a rightie, but I never lumped you in with the history rewriters...

lol...

Massive majorities in both houses of congress, the WH...

He got what he wanted. Unfortunately what he wanted sucked for America and massive majorities didn't teach him how to lead.
 
lol...

Massive majorities in both houses of congress, the WH...

He got what he wanted. Unfortunately what he wanted sucked for America and massive majorities didn't teach him how to lead.

you seem to forget how to count and the senate rules on filibusters
 
a very limited part and then only while the dems had total control of both houses - since the reps have more than 40 votes in the senate and a majority in the house, none of obama's agenda has been passed

has it dawned on you yet that he then should have compromised on his agenda?....
 
wrong

when kenndy died obama lost his 60 votes in the senate and the reps have been filibustering ever since

lame excuse.....Senate didn't even pass a budget and you can't filibuster budgets.....the simple fact is, once the Republicans took control of the House, Reid decided that nothing will go to a vote in the Senate.....
 
Has any previous President had everything they wanted passed? Has any President had to deal with Congress being held by the opposing party?
You're rationalizing. You'd have to go back nearly 100 years to find a Congress which has accomplished less and was less popular than the 2010 congress. This nation is handicapped by a Republican party so far to the right that party loyalty is given a higher value than the best interest of our nation. We are also handicapped by a voting public that is both uninformed and apathetic.

H.L Menken was right. Democracy is the notion that the common man can get what he wants....and does....good and hard!
 
You're rationalizing. You'd have to go back nearly 100 years to find a Congress which has accomplished less and was less popular than the 2010 congress. This nation is handicapped by a Republican party so far to the right that party loyalty is given a higher value than the best interest of our nation. We are also handicapped by a voting public that is both uninformed and apathetic.

H.L Menken was right. Democracy is the notion that the common man can get what he wants....and does....good and hard!
Yes Dude, I know. You don't know what I mean by calling voters uninformed and apathetic and you don't care!
 
Truman won an election this way. I don't know if it can as effective because of the polarization we have among the voters now (which I'm not entirely convinced is all that much worse than it always has been, but I'm not certain). But it has worked in the past.
 
Truman won an election this way. I don't know if it can as effective because of the polarization we have among the voters now (which I'm not entirely convinced is all that much worse than it always has been, but I'm not certain). But it has worked in the past.

I consider that once in awhile, as well. It's so easy to say everything is more partisan now, but then I think about the Happy Days episode where Richie voted differently from Mr. C, and Mr. C wouldn't speak to him for awhile; and then the '60's, where the country was crazy divided over the war, and then pretty much every decade since.

One thing that seems clear is that Congress IS more divided. Congresspeople have been saying for the last few years that it's much more partisan than it used to be. Gradually, due to overuse of redistricting power, the people getting elected represent the extremes of their parties. The compromisers & moderates are gradually retiring & getting voted out.
 
I consider that once in awhile, as well. It's so easy to say everything is more partisan now, but then I think about the Happy Days episode where Richie voted differently from Mr. C, and Mr. C wouldn't speak to him for awhile; and then the '60's, where the country was crazy divided over the war, and then pretty much every decade since.

One thing that seems clear is that Congress IS more divided. Congresspeople have been saying for the last few years that it's much more partisan than it used to be. Gradually, due to overuse of redistricting power, the people getting elected represent the extremes of their parties. The compromisers & moderates are gradually retiring & getting voted out.
That's absolutely true but what's the solution? Go back to the day when the party bosses called the shots in smoke filled rooms?
 
and congress deserves it

how can obama's policies be responsible for the economy when congress refuses to act on them

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-targets-congress-ad-jobs-airing-swing-states-153909076.html

Our parties are becoming as partisan as those in parliamentary democracies generally are, but our system is still built to require consensus in a divided government. In most countries, a situation like this would demand the dissolution of government and the election of a new one in order to solve the gridlock. Ours just crosses its fingers and hopes everyone can work together. What about when they can't?
 
Weak argument. For 2 years he got whatever he wanted.

There was a great deal in the Democratic legislative agenda that all got tripped up after they spent many times the amount of time they had planned fumbling the health care legislation. After the stimulus and the healthcare legislation, essentially nothing passed, because by that time people were already gearing up for the 2010 election. At it's core, the Democratic party is a coalition, a traditional American party, whereas the Republican party is a unified ideological front, like those in parliamentary democracies.
 
Our parties are becoming as partisan as those in parliamentary democracies generally are, but our system is still built to require consensus in a divided government. In most countries, a situation like this would demand the dissolution of government and the election of a new one in order to solve the gridlock. Ours just crosses its fingers and hopes everyone can work together. What about when they can't?
Kill them all and let God sort them out?
 
lame excuse.....Senate didn't even pass a budget and you can't filibuster budgets.....the simple fact is, once the Republicans took control of the House, Reid decided that nothing will go to a vote in the Senate.....


Reid decided. That's awesome. It's not as though the Republicans have required record-breaking numbers of cloture votes on pretty much everything.
 
I would be frustrated with Congress too if I were Obama and maybe this is partisan thinking but if the voting public was happy with his agenda he would have kept his majority in 2010. Now he can't get things like he could before.

There should be a constitutional amendment to do away with midterm elections. If the voters hate the old administration, they should vote in a new one. If you try to simply give them the ability half way through to simply render the functioning of government impotent, it's playing with fire. Again, America has survived this long because of the broad nature of our parties, we've usually had a supermajority of relatively nonideological people willing to work together in some form. Now that we're highly ideological, highly partisan forces emerging, this kind of division could greatly weaken the country, perhaps even bring it down into anarchy.
 
Kill them all and let God sort them out?

It's not like it's just the politicians. One problem with democracy is that the people take part in decision making, and yet refuse to take any of the responsibility. You can't elect a proxy to make your decisions for you, and then later absolve yourself of all responsibility when things don't go well. The increasing partisanship in the parties is simply a symptom of the overall growing partisanship in America itself.
 
That's absolutely true but what's the solution? Go back to the day when the party bosses called the shots in smoke filled rooms?

Hard to say. Representative democracy as it's practiced in America isn't really working that well, in general.
 
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