Trayvon Martin Had Drugs in System, Autopsy Found

Taichiliberal said:
And as our resident Zimmerman zombies orgasm over the latest news release, let's just do a little critical thinking:

The latest information released STILL points to the FACT that had Zimmerman NOT left his car and PURSUED Martin, the incident would NOT have taken place.
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zimmerman broke no law by following zimmerman. Even if you don't like that fact, it's the truth. If trayvon responded to zimmerman (who was not doing an action that was illegal) in a way that is illegal (assault) then this case begins to look very good for zimmerman.
 
Martin was Black. Simple as that? Some of the same race haters who defend Zimmerman applaud the 20 year prison term given to a Black woman who "stood her ground", BTW.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And as our resident Zimmerman zombies orgasm over the latest news release, let's just do a little critical thinking:

The latest information released STILL points to the FACT that had Zimmerman NOT left his car and PURSUED Martin, the incident would NOT have taken place.

If Martin had not accosted Zimmerman, then the incident would not have taken place.

Please explain how Marting "accosted" Zimmerman when Zimmerman is recorded in the 911 call telling the dispatch that Martin is "running away"? A strange man following you at night in a car, and then he gets out of the car to further pursue DESPITE being told that the cops were on the way and that he did not have to follow the suspect anymore. Sorry, but you don't pick a fight and then bitch when someone hits you back.

Martin having smoked a joint sometime prior to the fatal encounter in NO WAY justifies Zimmerman's 911 calls, as a recent security cam video of Martin purchasing his Skittles and Ice Tea drink was NOT acting impaired or under the influence.

Irrelevant

Only to Zimmerman Zombies who ignore and deny ANY evidence that does not fit their scenario of justifiable homicide on Zimmerman's part. Seems YOU are in support of the slip shod investigation initially done by the local cops.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us/trayvon-martin-case-shadowed-by-police-missteps.html


Having shot Martin from a foot and six inches only proves that Zimmerman shot a kid who was fighting an unknown person who was first following him in a car, then got out of the car to confront him. Why isn't Martin being given the same benefit of "Stand Your Ground" to fight for his life?

Why did you leave off the "1 inch to 18 inches" report and only focus on the "foot and six inches"?

I didn't "leave off" anything....it's the same range given and DOES NOT change the point of my statement, which YOU obviously want to avoid.

Photos of Zimmerman with some bruises and blood traces proves he was in a fight, and not the "life and death" struggle he intitially told. If indeed his head was bashed against hard ground REPEATEDLY, it would have been in worse shape than that photo. Yet, Zimmerman required NO stitches, REFUSED MEDICAL ATTENTION that night. His "broken nose".....yep, he took a hit in the nose....not busted wide open, but enough to show he was in a fight.

Where did you study for your medical degree?

I'm referring to the reports given....one need only to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY to bring forth the questions I asked or the points made.

The unidentified witness that now suddenly comes forth to tell the tale that Martin was this "MMA" aggressor on a downed Zimmerman has YET to be vetted.

So you admit that we can wait to see the outcome. Good for you.


So YOU are STILL avoiding discussion by the points I make with your empty sarcasm and false insinuations. Typical for you.

Oh, and it seems Zimmerman was cruising on a combination of prescription meds that are akin to legal speed balling on the lightweight side. Funny how THAT isn't being blasted across the allegedly liberal MSM.

Proof?


According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients. – ABC News Exclusive


Just a few things right off the bat that anyone with an objective, critical eye would pick up.
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Let everyone know when you decide to take an objective, critical eye and actually pay attention to the FACTS.
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And since all YOU'VE done is offer NOTHING but sarcastic pot shots at me while avoiding discussion of the points I put forth, it's evident that YOU are NOT interested in ALL the facts....just like a good little Zimmerman zombie. Carry on.
 
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Thats funny shit.....Looks like USF refuted everything Libby said and Poor Libby has no recourse but to bail.....
How typical....
 
Taichiliberal said:
And as our resident Zimmerman zombies orgasm over the latest news release, let's just do a little critical thinking:

The latest information released STILL points to the FACT that had Zimmerman NOT left his car and PURSUED Martin, the incident would NOT have taken place.
If Martin had gone on his to his destination and not confronted and then attacked Zimmerman, he would not have been shot.

Martin having smoked a joint sometime prior to the fatal encounter in NO WAY justifies Zimmerman's 911 calls,
Strawman bullshit....no one said it did to begin with...

as a recent security cam video of Martin purchasing his Skittles and Ice Tea drink was NOT acting impaired or under the influence.
Irrelevant and subjective....no matter how you perceive his condition, it is now a proven FACT, he was under the influence of a drug...

Having shot Martin from a foot and six inches only proves that Zimmerman shot a kid who was fighting an unknown person who was first following him in a car,
The report says 1 inch to 18 inches....and it proves NOTHING more than that....distance...
then got out of the car to confront him. Why isn't Martin being given the same benefit of "Stand Your Ground" to fight for his life?
That is your opinion and not necessary the truth....Martin wasn't attacked, and was proven the aggressor by an eye witness, and was winning the confrontation...

Photos of Zimmerman with some bruises and blood traces proves he was in a fight, and not the "life and death" struggle he intitially told. If indeed his head was bashed against hard ground REPEATEDLY, it would have been in worse shape than that photo. Yet, Zimmerman required NO stitches, REFUSED MEDICAL ATTENTION that night. His "broken nose".....yep, he took a hit in the nose....not busted wide open, but enough to show he was in a fight.
Broken nose, black eyes, busted lips, gashed in his head, etc.....Martin? Busted nuckles.....
You can't defend yourself if your unconscious...do you really expect Zimmerman to wait until he concluded he needed stitches, fool ?

The unidentified witness that now suddenly comes forth to tell the tale that Martin was this "MMA" aggressor on a downed Zimmerman has YET to be vetted.
Then we'll wait until he is....and his coming forward wasn't 'sudden' at all....its was immediate...

Oh, and it seems Zimmerman was cruising on a combination of prescription meds that are akin to legal speed balling on the lightweight side. Funny how THAT isn't being blasted across the allegedly liberal MSM.
Speedball ?....speedball your ass.....
if that has any bearing on his actions, it will come out in testimony....

Just a few things right off the bat that anyone with an objective, critical eye would pick up.
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You critical eye seems to pick up on an event then lie about it to further your biased preconceived conclusions....
 
Trayvon had marijuana in his system, but Zimmerman had uppers and downers. Doing a little cocktail, as we called it in the 70's.
 
KingofOwls said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Why isn't Martin being given the same benefit of "Stand Your Ground" to fight for his life?
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burden is on the prosecution. and those making a positive claim
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Yeah, I know about the prosecution.....I don't know exactly what you mean about "positive claim".

Let me clarify.....in the court of public opinion, why are the Zimmerman zombies overlooking the FACT that Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR TO PURSUE MARTIN DESPITE BEING TOLD THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECSSARY TO PURSUE HIM?

If a strange man is following you in a car, then gets out of that car to confront you, why are YOU not given the benefit of "Stand your ground" to defend yourself?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yeah, I know about the prosecution.....I don't know exactly what you mean about "positive claim".

Let me clarify.....in the court of public opinion, why are the Zimmerman zombies overlooking the FACT that Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR TO PURSUE MARTIN DESPITE BEING TOLD THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECSSARY TO PURSUE HIM?

If a strange man is following you in a car, then gets out of that car to confront you, why are YOU not given the benefit of "Stand your ground" to defend yourself?
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Because he was black, was wearing a hoodie, had smoked a joint, acted thug-like on his Facebook page, and was black.
 
crazy

Are you really trying to say that since travon smoked some pot that changes things, if so you are pathetic zimmerman should not have been following the kid its totally zimmermans fault he was told to stop following him and travon was doing nothing wrong try to get your head out of your ass if possible
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yeah, I know about the prosecution.....I don't know exactly what you mean about "positive claim".

Let me clarify.....in the court of public opinion, why are the Zimmerman zombies overlooking the FACT that Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR TO PURSUE MARTIN DESPITE BEING TOLD THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECSSARY TO PURSUE HIM?
Pursuing and confronting or catching are a million miles apart.....

If a strange man is following you in a car, then gets out of that car to confront you, why are YOU not given the benefit of "Stand your ground" to defend yourself?
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This big strange boogieman, Zimmerman, didn't confront Martin, he never approached him, he didn't know where he was.......He was returning to his car when accosted by Martin, and was in the process of getting the shit beat out of him....

If he would have anything like that, logic says, he probably would have had his weapon in view to prevent being attacked and drawn into a physical confrontation.....
Notice I say in view and not drawn or pointed at anyone ....




Notice Libby can't and won't refute Post 26......
 
Rana said:
Trayvon had marijuana in his system, but Zimmerman had uppers and downers. Doing a little cocktail, as we called it in the 70's.
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This is about the third time that this has been suggested.
Can you provide a link that shows Zimmerman's tox report?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yeah, I know about the prosecution.....I don't know exactly what you mean about "positive claim".

Let me clarify.....in the court of public opinion, why are the Zimmerman zombies overlooking the FACT that Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR TO PURSUE MARTIN DESPITE BEING TOLD THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECSSARY TO PURSUE HIM?

If a strange man is following you in a car, then gets out of that car to confront you, why are YOU not given the benefit of "Stand your ground" to defend yourself?
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You might want to keep your lies straight; because Zimmerman was already following Martin when the dispatcher told him that he DIDN't have to do that and then it appears that Zimmerman was returning to his car, when Martin attacked him.
 
KingofOwls said:
zimmerman broke no law by following zimmerman. Even if you don't like that fact, it's the truth. If trayvon responded to zimmerman (who was not doing an action that was illegal) in a way that is illegal (assault) then this case begins to look very good for zimmerman.
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Again, you have a STRANGER following a kid going to his LEGAL DESTINATION in a car....when the kid goes to check him out and then 'RUNS AWAY' (according to Zimmerman's 911 recording), Zimmerman PURSUES HIM DESPITE BEING TOLD BY THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO CONTINUING FOLLOWING MARTIN.

Zimmerman GETS OUT OF HIS CAR to continue to follow and then confront Martin. Hell, a strange man is stalking you in the night rain IN AN AREA YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO AND LIVE NEAR BY...THEN THAT MAN GETS OUT OF HIS CAR AND CONFRONTS YOU....ARMED! Small wonder if Martin fights for his life, MARTIN STOOD HIS GROUND and got killed for it!

Only Zimmerman Zombies want to overlook these little details.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Again, you have a STRANGER following a kid going to his LEGAL DESTINATION in a car....when the kid goes to check him out and then 'RUNS AWAY' (according to Zimmerman's 911 recording), Zimmerman PURSUES HIM DESPITE BEING TOLD BY THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO CONTINUING FOLLOWING MARTIN.

Zimmerman GETS OUT OF HIS CAR to continue to follow and then confront Martin. Hell, a strange man is stalking you in the night rain IN AN AREA YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO AND LIVE NEAR BY...THEN THAT MAN GETS OUT OF HIS CAR AND CONFRONTS YOU....ARMED! Small wonder if Martin fights for his life, MARTIN STOOD HIS GROUND and got killed for it!

Only Zimmerman Zombies want to overlook these little details.
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Since the majority are just a collection of lies and mis-statements; Yes, they need to be overlooked.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And as our resident Zimmerman zombies orgasm over the latest news release, let's just do a little critical thinking:

The latest information released STILL points to the FACT that had Zimmerman NOT left his car and PURSUED Martin, the incident would NOT have taken place.
If Martin had gone on his to his destination and not confronted and then attacked Zimmerman, he would not have been shot.Martin WAS going to his destination when he notices that he’s being tailed by some weirdo in a car. He checks the guy out and then RUNS away, as Zimmerman told the 911 dispatch. Zimmerman was the one who went out of his way, out of his car to CONFRONT Martin. You don’t pick a fight and the bitch when someone hits you back.Martin having smoked a joint sometime prior to the fatal encounter in NO WAY justifies Zimmerman's 911 calls,
Strawman bullshit....no one said it did to begin with...Then WHY IS THAT INFORMATION BULLHORNED ON THE MSM….DOUBLY SO BY THE LIKES OF FOX NOISE AND CLEAR CHANNEL AND ABCTALK Radio? Since the Zimmerman Zombies mantra is that Zimmerman was ATTACKED, this information would be used to corroborate Zimmerman’s telling the 911 dispatch that Martin looked like he was high or on drugs or something. As I stated before (which YOU left out), the video of Martin in the store shows NO SIGNS that he was impaired to that point. The Strawman bullshit belongs to the Zimmerman Zombies.

as a recent security cam video of Martin purchasing his Skittles and Ice Tea drink was NOT acting impaired or under the influence.
Irrelevant and subjective....no matter how you perceive his condition, it is now a proven FACT, he was under the influence of a drug...
Wrong as usual….the autopsy shows TRACES of THC….there is NO evidence that it was of sufficient amount the night of the murder to “influence” Martin’s actions. Once again, the “strawman bullshit” is on the Zimmerman Zombies, who don’t even have the courage to stand behind their insinuations.Having shot Martin from a foot and six inches only proves that Zimmerman shot a kid who was fighting an unknown person who was first following him in a car,
The report says 1 inch to 18 inches....and it proves NOTHING more than that....distance...

18 inches is a foot and six inches, don’t cha know. I agree with you it proves NOTHING other than Martin was fighting an ARMED stranger that was stalking him! then got out of the car to confront him. Why isn't Martin being given the same benefit of "Stand Your Ground" to fight for his life?
That is your opinion and not necessary the truth....Martin wasn't attacked, and was proven the aggressor by an eye witness, and was winning the confrontation...
It’s a QUESTION based on the FACT that Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR AND PURSUED MARTIN AFTER BEING TOLD THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND HE NO LONGER HAD TO FOLLOW HIM. This alleged “eye witness” has YET to be vetted, yet YOU readily accept this johnny-come-lately witness as valid…as opposed to those few actually interviewed within 48 hours by the police. Typical of Zimmerman Zombies to accept what fits their beliefs while ignoring other information.Photos of Zimmerman with some bruises and blood traces proves he was in a fight, and not the "life and death" struggle he intitially told. If indeed his head was bashed against hard ground REPEATEDLY, it would have been in worse shape than that photo. Yet, Zimmerman required NO stitches, REFUSED MEDICAL ATTENTION that night. His "broken nose".....yep, he took a hit in the nose....not busted wide open, but enough to show he was in a fight.
Broken nose, black eyes, busted lips, gashed in his head, etc.....Martin? Busted nuckles.....
You can't defend yourself if your unconscious...do you really expect Zimmerman to wait until he concluded he needed stitches, fool ?
Put your beer down, go back and read the recent report released, my Bravo bumpkin. Zimmerman had no black eyes in any of the photos released, genius…and no “GASH” on his head, as a “gash” would have required stitches, and the paramedics did not describe the wound as a “gash”. A “cut” lip is NOT a busted lip. And Martin had only 1 ABRASION on his ring finger according to the autopsy, NOT a “busted” knuckle. So the distortion of the Zimmerman Zombies won’t fly in face of ALL THE FACTS. Again, Zimmerman instigated a fight by following and then confronting a kid who was going home….the kid fights for his life…TFB if Zimmerman got his lumps, but if he stayed his dopey ass in the car like he was TOLD to, None of this would have happened.
The unidentified witness that now suddenly comes forth to tell the tale that Martin was this "MMA" aggressor on a downed Zimmerman has YET to be vetted.
Then we'll wait until he is....and his coming forward wasn't 'sudden' at all....its was immediate...

I stand corrected….the information of this “witness” is newly released to the general public…and I’m willing to wait until he’s vetted…unlike Zimmerman Zombies who attach this to their tapestry of half truths, distortions and innuendos.Oh, and it seems Zimmerman was cruising on a combination of prescription meds that are akin to legal speed balling on the lightweight side. Funny how THAT isn't being blasted across the allegedly liberal MSM.
Speedball ?....speedball your ass.....
if that has any bearing on his actions, it will come out in testimony....

Learn to READ, my Bravo bumpkin…I said “akin” to a speed ball….and it’s in the latest REPORT: Here, FYI for your dumb drunken ass:

According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients. – ABC News ExclusiveJust a few things right off the bat that anyone with an objective, critical eye would pick up.
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You critical eye seems to pick up on an event then lie about it to further your biased preconceived conclusions....[/QUOTE]

Beyond your alcohol riddled accusations, where is your “proof” that I “lied” about anything? Questions and speculation based on ALL the facts are NOT preconceived conclusions.

Back to the barstool with ya, Bravo.
 
Granule said:
Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar
Oh.

My.

GOD!

You mean to say he...gasp...smoked a little pot...RECENTLY?!?!

ROTFLMAO...really...how desperate are you?
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Good point, Zapps. Most, if not all, pot smokers are upstanding citizens. ;)
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Just like all those folk who partake in strong drink, Grainy. Thing is, you rarely hear about chronic pot smokers killing their friends/spouses/children in a rage like drunks do.

Now surely YOU are not that naive (or deluded) to think that all the people who function to provide the lifestyle your accustomed to NEVER had an alcoholic drink or smoked a joint, are you?
 
bravo said:


Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Yeah, I know about the prosecution.....I don't know exactly what you mean about "positive claim".

Let me clarify.....in the court of public opinion, why are the Zimmerman zombies overlooking the FACT that Zimmerman GOT OUT OF HIS CAR TO PURSUE MARTIN DESPITE BEING TOLD THE COPS WERE ON THE WAY AND IT WAS NOT NECSSARY TO PURSUE HIM?
Pursuing and confronting or catching are a million miles apart.....

Well genius, obviously Zimmerman pursued and confronted...because we have a DOCUMENTED DISPATCH RECORDING OF HIS STATING HIS PURSUIT, AND THAT MARTIN WAS "RUNNING AWAY". Now the ONLY way you CATCH a person that is running away is if you PURSUE them....as the latest report states, the confrontation, the homicide would NOT had taken place in Zimmerman had kept his as in his car, like he agreed to when the disptach told him "we don't need you to do that" and he said "okay".

If a strange man is following you in a car, then gets out of that car to confront you, why are YOU not given the benefit of "Stand your ground" to defend yourself?
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This big strange boogieman, Zimmerman, didn't confront Martin, he never approached him, he didn't know where he was.......He was returning to his car when accosted by Martin, and was in the process of getting the shit beat out of him....

And beyond your alcohol fueled supposition and conjecture, where is the DOCUMENTATION for this latest Zimmerman Zombie tale? Because there is NO phone record that has Zimmerman saying he's returning to his car.
If he would have anything like that, logic says, he probably would have had his weapon in view to prevent being attacked and drawn into a physical confrontation.....

Sheer supposition and conjecture on your part.Notice I say in view and not drawn or pointed at anyone ....



I notice that you're just blowing smoke and trying to pass it off as logical deduction based on fact. Unfortunately for you, ALL the facts don't support your Bravo-burnished bullshit.Notice Libby can't and won't refute Post 26......
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Bravo's state of intoxication prevents him from having patients or refraining from presumptions....among other things.
 
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