Why do right wingers hated education?

Cypress said:
You are typing words on an internet invented and designed by PhD computer scientists and mathematicians.

The electricity you are using is thanks to an electrical system designed by college educated engineers.

Your GPS technology, your smart phone technology, your high def television depends on the principles of physics worked out and designed by university educated physicists.

Every time you go to the doctor or dentist, you are at the mercy of university educated medical professionals.

The car you drive, the roads you drive on, the agricultural products you eat are thanks to college educated civil engineers, mechanical engineers, geneticists, soil scientists, meteorologists.

Every minute of the day, every day of every year, your life is utterly at the mercy of college and university educated professionals.

You sound like you have an inferiority complex. I did not go to college to make fun of you. I went because I consider education first and foremost a form of self-improvement, and secondly to allow me to pursue career interests which are not possible with a high school diploma.
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it's both humorous, as well as frustrating (sometimes) that most of you on both the left and the right end up resorting to the all or nothing argument, despite the debate having actually said NOT ALL OF THEM, or MOST OF THEM.....so, whatever.

I don't doubt that you consider college a way of self improvement and it's obvious the rest of the world considers someone with a degree as being worth more in the employment arena............much to their detriment. I've seen way too many college graduates struggle in the real world then grasp at that superiority over those who didn't go to college.........even though they end up working middle management jobs at a local concrete company or grocery store.......most of those graduates wouldn't qualify to mow and trim my yard, by my standards anyway.

I liken it to the late 90s push of microsoft certifications. I worked along side hundreds of people who went and got certified by reading the exam books, then got hired by companies based on their certifications alone and couldn't do the job because they had never actually worked on the system they were certified for. It depresses the average wage for those positions because companies find that they then have to spend time and money to train those newly certified people while there are others, like myself, who have actual experience working on those systems.......but because we're not certified, we are apparently worth less.........so not only did tech companies get to be able to pay less for high tech people, they also made alot of money off of people wanting to be certified for a job they could have done without it.

It's the same with the higher education facilities now......companies are requiring a degree for positions, those new graduates still need training, the wages then become depressed, and the universities get richer..........

That's why I usually have to laugh it off when people in the OP consider those who didn't go to college 'uneducated' and lump me in that category for general purpose when they clearly have no understanding the level of intelligence needed for the jobs that i've done...........
 
BidenPresident said:
School choice is a fraud. It is like musical chairs--someone is always left out.
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oh wait........the majority of people who went through the Detroit public school system are functionally illiterate and you are worried schools of choice might leave someone out?........NOT having schools of choice is leaving MOST of them out.........
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's both humorous, as well as frustrating (sometimes) that most of you on both the left and the right end up resorting to the all or nothing argument, despite the debate having actually said NOT ALL OF THEM, or MOST OF THEM.....so, whatever.

I don't doubt that you consider college a way of self improvement and it's obvious the rest of the world considers someone with a degree as being worth more in the employment arena............much to their detriment. I've seen way too many college graduates struggle in the real world then grasp at that superiority over those who didn't go to college.........even though they end up working middle management jobs at a local concrete company or grocery store.......most of those graduates wouldn't qualify to mow and trim my yard, by my standards anyway.

I liken it to the late 90s push of microsoft certifications. I worked along side hundreds of people who went and got certified by reading the exam books, then got hired by companies based on their certifications alone and couldn't do the job because they had never actually worked on the system they were certified for. It depresses the average wage for those positions because companies find that they then have to spend time and money to train those newly certified people while there are others, like myself, who have actual experience working on those systems.......but because we're not certified, we are apparently worth less.........so not only did tech companies get to be able to pay less for high tech people, they also made alot of money off of people wanting to be certified for a job they could have done without it.

It's the same with the higher education facilities now......companies are requiring a degree for positions, those new graduates still need training, the wages then become depressed, and the universities get richer..........

That's why I usually have to laugh it off when people in the OP consider those who didn't go to college 'uneducated' and lump me in that category for general purpose when they clearly have no understanding the level of intelligence needed for the jobs that i've done...........
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Your life, the technology you use, the infrastructure you rely on renders you utterly dependent on university educated, college-degreed professionals.

Something to think about next time you disparage college education, and bluster about being a self-made, self-reliant high school dropout.
 
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Cypress said:
Your life, the technology you use, the infrastructure you rely on leaves you utterly dependent on university educated, college-degreed professionals.

Something to think about next time you disparage college education, and bluster about being a self-made, self-reliant high school dropout
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yet I, as a individual without a degree, know a few people just as intelligent as those who invented or improved all of those things..........and they have no college degree.........

but congratulations on exposing your hypocrisy about "I did not go to college to make fun of you" while just two posts later calling me a high school drop out......knowing full well that this could not be the case, considering I enlisted and became an Air Traffic Controller, then a very experienced IT professional for the last 23 years...........but yeah, as a high school dropout (/SARCASM)
 
BidenPresident said:
It is an absolute mystery to me.
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A lot of right wingers consider education "elitist". It's because many of them joined the work force as soon as they could in order to survive and never pursued postsecondary education. It's a form of jealousy, but I don't deny that higher education is not for everyone.
 
Cypress said:
Your life, the technology you use, the infrastructure you rely on renders you utterly dependent on university educated, college-degreed professionals.

Something to think about next time you disparage college education, and bluster about being a self-made, self-reliant high school dropout.
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SmarterthanYou said:
yet I, as a individual without a degree, know a few people just as intelligent as those who invented or improved all of those things..........and they have no college degree.........

but congratulations on exposing your hypocrisy about "I did not go to college to make fun of you" while just two posts later calling me a high school drop out......knowing full well that this could not be the case, considering I enlisted and became an Air Traffic Controller, then a very experienced IT professional for the last 23 years...........but yeah, as a high school dropout (/SARCASM)
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It would be easier for a physics geek to figure out how to fix a toilet, than for you to learn the quantum physics principles behind GPS and smart phone technology
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's both humorous, as well as frustrating (sometimes) that most of you on both the left and the right end up resorting to the all or nothing argument, despite the debate having actually said NOT ALL OF THEM, or MOST OF THEM.....so, whatever.

I don't doubt that you consider college a way of self improvement and it's obvious the rest of the world considers someone with a degree as being worth more in the employment arena............much to their detriment. I've seen way too many college graduates struggle in the real world then grasp at that superiority over those who didn't go to college.........even though they end up working middle management jobs at a local concrete company or grocery store.......most of those graduates wouldn't qualify to mow and trim my yard, by my standards anyway.

I liken it to the late 90s push of microsoft certifications. I worked along side hundreds of people who went and got certified by reading the exam books, then got hired by companies based on their certifications alone and couldn't do the job because they had never actually worked on the system they were certified for. It depresses the average wage for those positions because companies find that they then have to spend time and money to train those newly certified people while there are others, like myself, who have actual experience working on those systems.......but because we're not certified, we are apparently worth less.........so not only did tech companies get to be able to pay less for high tech people, they also made alot of money off of people wanting to be certified for a job they could have done without it.

It's the same with the higher education facilities now......companies are requiring a degree for positions, those new graduates still need training, the wages then become depressed, and the universities get richer..........

That's why I usually have to laugh it off when people in the OP consider those who didn't go to college 'uneducated' and lump me in that category for general purpose when they clearly have no understanding the level of intelligence needed for the jobs that i've done...........
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Naw, nobody lumps you in with “uneducated” because you didn’t go to college. They lump you in “uneducated” because you’re willfully ignorant and just plain stupid. :rofl2:
 
Diesel said:
A lot of right wingers consider education "elitist". It's because many of them joined the work force as soon as they could in order to survive and never pursued postsecondary education. It's a form of jealousy, but I don't deny that higher education is not for everyone.
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The reality is not everyone is cut out for college, and that’s not a knock on them. Some people have amazing skills and a college degree isn’t required for them. Others have life circumstances that don’t allow them to go. Others just don’t do well in a structured class environment but in reality are plenty smart.

I think on the extreme an example like the Freakanomics folks who wrote about the Chicago drug dealers and how some of the leaders had Fortune 500 CEO level minds in how they built, structured and rang their organization and never went to college.

And for some folks trade schools serve a much better purpose than running up a bunch of debt for a college degree. And especially for older folks, college degrees weren’t as important to get a job as they are today.

Now I’ll admit every year I await the U.S. News and World Report rankings. I want to see where USC is ranked. If someone said that’s some elitist stuff and few care I wouldn’t argue with them.
 
t's both humorous, as well as frustrating (sometimes) that most of you on both the left and the right end up resorting to the all or nothing argument, despite the debate having actually said NOT ALL OF THEM, or MOST OF THEM.....so, whatever.

I don't doubt that you consider college a way of self improvement and it's obvious the rest of the world considers someone with a degree as being worth more in the employment arena............much to their detriment. I've seen way too many college graduates struggle in the real world then grasp at that superiority over those who didn't go to college.........even though they end up working middle management jobs at a local concrete company or grocery store.......most of those graduates wouldn't qualify to mow and trim my yard, by my standards anyway.

I liken it to the late 90s push of microsoft certifications. I worked along side hundreds of people who went and got certified by reading the exam books, then got hired by companies based on their certifications alone and couldn't do the job because they had never actually worked on the system they were certified for. It depresses the average wage for those positions because companies find that they then have to spend time and money to train those newly certified people while there are others, like myself, who have actual experience working on those systems.......but because we're not certified, we are apparently worth less.........so not only did tech companies get to be able to pay less for high tech people, they also made alot of money off of people wanting to be certified for a job they could have done without it.

It's the same with the higher education facilities now......companies are requiring a degree for positions, those new graduates still need training, the wages then become depressed, and the universities get richer..........

That's why I usually have to laugh it off when people in the OP consider those who didn't go to college 'uneducated' and lump me in that category for general purpose when they clearly have no understanding the level of intelligence needed for the jobs that i've done...........




I find it amusing that you decry generalizations and are guilty of the same all the time, including this post where you decry it.
Fact is people with college degrees make more money. Not hyperbolic, a simple fact. The chasm between the two is
wide, in tens of thousands per annum. Your post comes off as a long winded apology interspersed with a degree of
truth for your not having obtained a degree, or apparently any computer science certs. If you studied computer sciecce in the 70s
and 80, you used punch cards and are a relic. No advantage I can see in knowing dodo bird technology.
 
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