Where does the US rank in testing.

Hi Frank,



I disagree with that.

I'm tellin ya there are smart people backing him. Problem is: A lot of them are the greedy type. All of the greediest and most powerful ruthless rich Americans are supporting him. He flaunts the system. They want to flaunt the system too (some of them already do...) Sure there are idiots and fools supporting him. There are idiots and fools supporting Biden, too. There's smart people and dumb people on both sides. Wise ones and fools on both sides. It really boils down to their values.

You can tell yourself it's only fools, but smart people can both be fooled sometimes, and/or simply not care about other people because they are selfish greedy diabolical ruthless power junkies who only care about their own wealth. People like that support him, and they are laughing all the way to the bank. It's all a big game to them. He who racks up the greatest wealth wins. And they don't care about you, the country, the environment, or anybody else. They care about themselves, having power, and getting rich. They think they're special.

I agree Poli...but working all that into a line like: "In fact, that's what it is: A fool fooling a bunch of fools" woulda been too difficult.
 
Without knowing what the infection rate in a given population is, we cannot calculate the R0 value or the death rate. We would be a perfect lab for testing *everyone* up here, or almost everyone. We have some off-grid wilderness folk who probably wouldn't be interested, but it would be a good place to test a pop. in a particular geographic location.

Wrong approach.

The logistics of testing ‘everyone’ approaches impossible. The labs couldn’t couldn’t keep up with it and by the time the results got out it wouldn’t only provide a snap shot of infections from weeks earlier.

Serum antibody tests are more accurate and they pick up *past infections*. And it can be done the same way they gather polling data. Statisticians can figure out the details so there’s no reason to test everyone.

Antibody tests are the only way to get an accurate CFR. We’re months into this and still taking guesses at it. Though preliminary antibody studies are pointing to a low COVID mortality rate. Not just one or two of them—all of them point to a low COVID CFR.

A lot more people have had the COVID virus than was assumed/guessed at. Apparently, a very great many of them are still up and walking around.

And this is wonderful news for several reasons.
 
Wrong approach.

The logistics of testing ‘everyone’ approaches impossible. The labs couldn’t couldn’t keep up with it and by the time the results got out it wouldn’t only provide a snap shot of infections from weeks earlier.

Serum antibody tests are more accurate and they pick up *past infections*. And it can be done the same way they gather polling data. Statisticians can figure out the details so there’s no reason to test everyone.

Antibody tests are the only way to get an accurate CFR. We’re months into this and still taking guesses at it. Though preliminary antibody studies are pointing to a low COVID mortality rate. Not just one or two of them—all of them point to a low COVID CFR.

A lot more people have had the COVID virus than was assumed/guessed at. Apparently, a very great many of them are still up and walking around.

And this is wonderful news for several reasons.

I'm not holding my breath for antibody testing for all. We can't even get current infection testing for all. I agree that it would be awesome if testing shows that most of a given population have antibodies and no ill effects.
 
I'm not holding my breath for antibody testing for all. We can't even get current infection testing for all. I agree that it would be awesome if testing shows that most of a given population have antibodies and no ill effects.

Surely at some point the experts will produce!

THEY CANT FAIL FOREVER!










We Hope.
 
I'm not holding my breath for antibody testing for all. We can't even get current infection testing for all. I agree that it would be awesome if testing shows that most of a given population have antibodies and no ill effects.

Well, prepare yourself for awesomeness because it’s probably coming lol.

We don’t need ‘most’ we just need a significant number.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Without knowing what the infection rate in a given population is, we cannot calculate the R0 value or the death rate. We would be a perfect lab for testing *everyone* up here, or almost everyone. We have some off-grid wilderness folk who probably wouldn't be interested, but it would be a good place to test a pop. in a particular geographic location.

It must be an insurmountable challenge to have mobile testing units roam the region to accomplish that task.
 
PoliTalker:

"Dive, market, DIVE!

Take DT down with you.

McCarthy said if you like this economy you must vote not to impeach.

As if that had anything to do with guilt or innocence.

Are we to now believe that if the corona virus hit the stock market earlier that DT would have been convicted?"


02-28-2020, 06:47 AM #5 | Top
PoliTalker


"Sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.

We're going down.

BZZZZZT! BZZZZZT! BZZZZZT!

Dive! Dive! Dive!"
 
Hello Frank Apisa,

I agree Poli...but working all that into a line like: "In fact, that's what it is: A fool fooling a bunch of fools" woulda been too difficult.

I believe it is worth the effort.

Some things deserve more than a soundbyte. And with our 140 character mindset, valuable detail is lost. Over simplification leads to believing the BS, dehumanizing the other side, which prompts them to do the same thing to us. The result is increased polarization and rampant dysfunction preventing the USA from moving forward and holding us back as problems escalate. That just doesn't work for America.
 
PoliTalker:

"Dive, market, DIVE!

Take DT down with you.

McCarthy said if you like this economy you must vote not to impeach.

As if that had anything to do with guilt or innocence.

Are we to now believe that if the corona virus hit the stock market earlier that DT would have been convicted?"


02-28-2020, 06:47 AM #5 | Top
PoliTalker


"Sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.

We're going down.

BZZZZZT! BZZZZZT! BZZZZZT!

Dive! Dive! Dive!"
 
Hello Darth,

Wrong approach.

The logistics of testing ‘everyone’ approaches impossible. The labs couldn’t couldn’t keep up with it and by the time the results got out it wouldn’t only provide a snap shot of infections from weeks earlier.

Serum antibody tests are more accurate and they pick up *past infections*. And it can be done the same way they gather polling data. Statisticians can figure out the details so there’s no reason to test everyone.

Antibody tests are the only way to get an accurate CFR. We’re months into this and still taking guesses at it. Though preliminary antibody studies are pointing to a low COVID mortality rate. Not just one or two of them—all of them point to a low COVID CFR.

A lot more people have had the COVID virus than was assumed/guessed at. Apparently, a very great many of them are still up and walking around.

And this is wonderful news for several reasons.

And tragic news for the ones they infected unknowingly who died, and for their loved ones grieving the loss.
 
Hello Darth Omar,

Well, prepare yourself for awesomeness because it’s probably coming lol.

We don’t need ‘most’ we just need a significant number.

That significant number is around 10%.

We are at 2%.

We are asking/ordering meat packers to go back to work and we can't even test them all!

One would think if they are such vital workers we would place a higher value on their well being.
 
Hello Darth Omar,



That significant number is around 10%.

We are at 2%.

We are asking/ordering meat packers to go back to work and we can't even test them all!

One would think if they are such vital workers we would place a higher value on their well being.

Wendys is already in shortage, McD's is next....

Starvation is not fun!
 
Hello Hawkeye10,

Wendys is already in shortage, McD's is next....

Starvation is not fun!

There are other places to eat, better sources of nutrition. Grocery stores actually have food that is ready to eat. Example: A can of oysters is priced lower than a Big Mac. There are almost limitless options for food. It would behoove those who are hooked on fast food to expand their horizons. It would be healthier. Eating better would make America healthier, and thus reduce the cost of health care.

I remember being in a grocery store and seeing the empty meat displays, then looking around the store and realizing there is plenty to eat, but it just might not be the selections we want.

How did America become so wimpy? I have heard the stories of all the sacrifices made during WWII. You just couldn't get things. Things were rationed. If you didn't have a ration allotment you were not allowed to buy the needed things. The whole nation was mobilized to fight the threat. Buy US bonds, grow a victory garden, use a bicycle, conserve gasoline, copper, and tires. There were even steel pennies! Make do and do without. Repurpose, reuse, recycle. We need to just buck up, accept the challenges, and persevere. We are strong. We can kick this bug's ass. We are humans. We shall prevail. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

It is unconscionable (and dumb) to demand meat packers go back to work, and to say that anybody who wants a test can get one, and not have 100% testing of meat packers. Sanitize the meat packing houses, test the workers 100%, problem solved.
 
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Hello Hawkeye10,



There are other places to eat, better sources of nutrition. Grocery stores actually have food that is ready to eat. Example: A can of oysters is priced lower than a Big Mac. There are almost limitless options for food. It would behoove those who are hooked on fast food to expand their horizons. It would be healthier. Eating better would make America healthier, and thus reduce the cost of health care.

I remember being in a grocery store and seeing the empty meat displays, then looking around the store and realizing there is plenty to eat, but it just might not be the selections we want.

How did America become so wimpy? I have heard the stories of all the sacrifices made during WWII. You just couldn't get things. Things were rationed. If you didn't have a ration allotment you were not alloweed to buy the needed things. The whole nation was mobilized to fight the threat. Buy US bonds, grow a victory garden, use a bicycle, conserve gasoline, copper, and tires. There were even steel pennies! Make do and do without. Repurpose, reuse, recycle. We need to just buck up, accept the challenges, and persevere. We are strong. We can kick this bug's ass. We are humans. We shall prevail. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

It is unconscionable (and dumb) to demand meat packers go back to work, and to say that anybody who wants a test can get one, and not have 100% testing of meat packers. Sanitize the meat packing houses, test the workers 100%, problem solved.

Curl up and die if that is what you need to do..I have a different idea.

In my world the work must get done.

Because I am not a moron.
 
Hello Frank Apisa,



I believe it is worth the effort.

Some things deserve more than a soundbyte. And with our 140 character mindset, valuable detail is lost. Over simplification leads to believing the BS, dehumanizing the other side, which prompts them to do the same thing to us. The result is increased polarization and rampant dysfunction preventing the USA from moving forward and holding us back as problems escalate. That just doesn't work for America.

It was a joke.

Look the word up...then get back to me.
 
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