Was Hiroshima an act of terrorism?

[anatta]

• The Joint Chiefs of Staff never formally studied the decision and never made an official recommendation to the President. Brief informal discussions may have occurred, but no record even of these exists. There is no record whatsoever of the usual extensive staff work and evaluation of alternative options by the Joint Chiefs, nor did the Chiefs ever claim to be involved. (See p. 322, Chapter 26)

http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomicdec.htm

curious as if the Joint Chiefs knew about the bomb? *asking* I do not know.

From most of the sources I've read ( thanks to all) it's clear the bomb wasn't a military necessity to end the war.
I do question how quickly Russia would have declared war on Japan. Once again events seem to drive other events.
Events drove the bombing - simply having the bomb and not using it to end the war is illogical as well.

I tend to think of it all as a continuum - what was jut as important and ending the war was reforming Japan ;
and there McArthur has to get a lot of credit .

 

[Darth Omar]

And we never get propaganda...right?

I'm not letting you off the hook that easy.

We were attacked on 9/11 because of radical Islamic tenets and the terrorists who were guided by them. Everything else that gets added to it is propaganda; including and especially, the vapid notion that the truly innocent inhabitants of the Towers were even remotely deserving of the horrors that were unleashed on them.

In contrast, the people of Japan were very much involved in their war efforts. Again, wars of that nature involved citizen participation in ways that aren't familiar to us today. Maybe in remote places, but not in developed countries. Even in the US we had 'Rosie the Rivoter' and the like. Had one of them died from a foreign attack on our soil, you really couldn't say they were as innocent as the driven snow, could you.

 

[cawacko]

No, it wasn't.

I have gone after him for years for his right wing crap idiot

So are Rana and Chrstie right wing idiots as well? Why are they trashing Trumam?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I'm not letting you off the hook that easy.

We were attacked on 9/11 because of radical Islamic tenets and the terrorists who were guided by them. Everything else that gets added to it is propaganda; including and especially, the vapid notion that the truly innocent inhabitants of the Towers were even remotely deserving of the horrors that were unleashed on them.

In contrast, the people of Japan were very much involved in their war efforts. Again, wars of that nature involved citizen participation in ways that aren't familiar to us today. Maybe in remote places, but not in developed countries. Even in the US we had 'Rosie the Rivoter' and the like. Had one of them died from a foreign attack on our soil, you really couldn't say they were as innocent as the driven snow, could you.

And I won't let you off the hook that easily.

For starters, OBL had geopolitical goals, as well. What you don't seem to realize is that a lot of militants from that region were motivated by decades of Western influence on the politics of that region, for oil. There are also those who were inspired by "radical Islamic tenets," but it's not this monolithic "religious fanatic" thing that you portray. That is the propaganda you have bought into.

Second, there were Japanese citizens who were involved to the degree that you're portraying. All of them? All of the women? All of the children? The infants & newborns?

Please. Give me a break on that.

 

[moon]

We were attacked on 9/11 because of radical Islamic tenets and the terrorists who were guided by them. Everything else that gets added to it is propaganda; including and especially, the vapid notion that the truly innocent inhabitants of the Towers were even remotely deserving of the horrors that were unleashed on them.

Bin Laden was very explicit in his published reasoning for the Twin Towers destruction- and US blanket support for Israel and the murdering and demonization of the Palestinians features strongly.
That's not ' propaganda '. It's the elephant in the room- again. The attackers were not targeting the occupants , of course. The towers were a symbolic target, as was the Pentagon, which they also hit and the other intended target, the White House.
The attacks and their aftermath have cost the US many trillions of dollars and set the world on a constant war footing which costs billions more every week. Israel was never worth it- and never will be worth it. The sooner that Israel is forced to comply with the laws that every other state must comply with the sooner that the world can put culture wars aside and start to concentrate on the other looming catastrophes which threaten to engulf it.

Japan lost - and fell under US supervision and protection. So must Israel. We have to treat the cause of the illness.

Yeah, yeah- you don't want to hear it. It will be too late when Israeli fascists roll out their covert nukes.

 

[tsuke]

And I won't let you off the hook that easily.

For starters, OBL had geopolitical goals, as well. What you don't seem to realize is that a lot of militants from that region were motivated by decades of Western influence on the politics of that region, for oil. There are also those who were inspired by "radical Islamic tenets," but it's not this monolithic "religious fanatic" thing that you portray. That is the propaganda you have bought into.

Second, there were Japanese citizens who were involved to the degree that you're portraying. All of them? All of the women? All of the children? The infants & newborns?

Please. Give me a break on that.

actually germany and japan were pretty much in total war mode at the end. I would say 99.5% of the able manpower would be involved in the war.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

actually germany and japan were pretty much in total war mode at the end. I would say 99.5% of the able manpower would be involved in the war.

Well, that certainly sounds like a scientific analysis & accurate conclusion. I'll take your word on it.

 

[Seahawk]

Well, that certainly sounds like a scientific analysis & accurate conclusion. I'll take your word on it.

Well since you expect everyone to just take your word that it was terrorism, it should be easy for you.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Well since you expect everyone to just take your word that it was terrorism, it should be easy for you.

Why are you apologizing for Stalin?

 

[Seahawk]

Why are you apologizing for Stalin?

Where did I do that? You have a knack for claiming people say or believe something when there is no basis in reality for your claim.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

And you STILL won't condemn Stalin, even when you're called out about it. Smh.

 

[Seahawk]

Maybe you should ask me about him first.

I see you still haven't cited a single source to back up your claim. lol.

 

[moon]

After Obama in Hiroshima: Israel’s Gigantic Nuclear Elephant

http://www.juancole.com/2016/05/hiroshima-gigantic-elephant.html

Wakey, wakey.

 

[tsuke]

Well, that certainly sounds like a scientific analysis & accurate conclusion. I'll take your word on it.

ww1 and ww2 were pretty much the only wars where entire the productivity of entire nations were pitted against each other till one side broke. Normally it would only be limited to warriors on the battlefield. But in this case the weapon ranges were so long and powerful (think missiles bombs etc) that the production facilities that made them were considered just as much a part of the effort as the people who defended them.

You really should read up on what happened during this era. I mean the US which was relatively unharmed during this already entered a semi total war mode with almost the entire production of the country going into the war. What more germany and japan?

 

[Legion Troll]

ww1 and ww2 were pretty much the only wars where entire the productivity of entire nations were pitted against each other till one side broke.

They were?

 

[Darth Omar]

actually germany and japan were pretty much in total war mode at the end. I would say 99.5% of the able manpower would be involved in the war.

Germany was sending kids to the war at the end. I doubt if Japan was much different.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Hiroshima was an act of justice. I wish I could've dropped the bomb myself! What a lucky guy!

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

And I won't let you off the hook that easily.

For starters, OBL had geopolitical goals, as well. What you don't seem to realize is that a lot of militants from that region were motivated by decades of Western influence on the politics of that region, for oil. There are also those who were inspired by "radical Islamic tenets," but it's not this monolithic "religious fanatic" thing that you portray. That is the propaganda you have bought into.

Second, there were Japanese citizens who were involved to the degree that you're portraying. All of them? All of the women? All of the children? The infants & newborns?

Please. Give me a break on that.

Al-Qaeda and ISIS have really been running strategic circles around the United States for the past 20 years.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The tenets of Al-Qaeda and ISIS are really very radical and new and don't have much precedent in the history of Islam. Suicide attacks were invented by the Tamil Tigers for instance. Islam pretty clearly forbids suicide, so Al-Qaeda had to come up with an entirely new theology which somehow forgave the suicide bomber for committing suicide in the process of the attack, which hadn't ever existed before (I challenge you to find a single instance of a suicide attack by a Muslim before the past few decades; Shiite Muslims still pretty much never practice suicide attack, it's a recent innovation in Sunni Islamic extremists). And Al-Qaeda and ISIS adopt radical Wahabbi iconoclasm, which is another innovation in Islam that has little precedent. Palmyra had been owned by various Islamic rulers for well over a millennium, who had let the relics be. It was only with ISIS when an ideology was developed that suddenly required Muslims to destroy these monuments.

 

[Darth Omar]

And I won't let you off the hook that easily.

For starters, OBL had geopolitical goals, as well. What you don't seem to realize is that a lot of militants from that region were motivated by decades of Western influence on the politics of that region, for oil. There are also those who were inspired by "radical Islamic tenets," but it's not this monolithic "religious fanatic" thing that you portray. That is the propaganda you have bought into.

Second, there were Japanese citizens who were involved to the degree that you're portraying. All of them? All of the women? All of the children? The infants & newborns?

Please. Give me a break on that.

Well, you're the one determined to cover all of them under the blanket term 'innocent'. My point is there were no doubt a large number of them involved in the war effort.

The radical Muslim greviences with the West and the US date back to the Crusades; and their religious justifications for making war against the infidel are clearly outlined in their religious texts.

Had we never been involved in the region they still would have found some pretext to attack us. Of course, OBL and later propagandists would claim otherwise *because they want us to think if we cease doing this or start doing that* hostilities in the form of terrorism would cease. I'd like to think by now we'd know better.

The whole point of propaganda is to affect political change.