Was Hiroshima an act of terrorism?

Mott the Hoople said:
Except we didn't know this. People who make these kinds of arguments, without an understanding of how Japan prosecuted the war, are guilty of 20:20 hindsight.

This was war and total war at that. You don't prosecute a war on what actions are justifiable. In total war the only justification for any action is that which will win the war with the least casualties for your side.

Does this lead to horrific, inhumane and utterly ruthless decision being made? Absolutely it does and this should stand as a completely shocking reminder of the horrors of war.
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There isn't but one goal in war and that is to WIN.
 
moon2012 said:
Your view seems lodged in an age of chivalry. The slaughter of civilians is terrorism, plain and simple, whether the terrorists have uniforms, an air force or are state sponsored or not.
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Actually his views, like mine on this issue, are lodged in the mindset that in war you fight to WIN.

A Paleshitstain rock thrower talking about killing civilians. Why don't you tell that shit to your kind that strap bombs to themselves and run into a building where there are civilians.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Except we didn't know this. People who make these kinds of arguments, without an understanding of how Japan prosecuted the war, are guilty of 20:20 hindsight.

This was war and total war at that. You don't prosecute a war on what actions are justifiable. In total war the only justification for any action is that which will win the war with the least casualties for your side.

Does this lead to horrific, inhumane and utterly ruthless decision being made? Absolutely it does and this should stand as a completely shocking reminder of the horrors of war.
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I am all too aware of how Japan prosecuted the war. There were leaders who did not agree with dropping the bomb, they were fully aware of how the war was being prosecuted.
 
Hack Hussein said:
You just, cannot, have a war without civilian casualties. It's hopeless. At best, you minimize it and this country gets an A+ in that category, over the long haul. In fact, one can argue that we do it to a fault in the present age.
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Think so, lol?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_drone_strikes

Obama-led drone strikes kill innocents 90% of the time

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/15/90-of-people-killed-by-us-drone-strikes-in-afghani/
 
[h=2]~~~DWIGHT EISENHOWER[/h]"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."
- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380
In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:
"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

I have always respected Ike.
 
Rana said:
I am all too aware of how Japan prosecuted the war. There were leaders who did not agree with dropping the bomb, they were fully aware of how the war was being prosecuted.
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Those "leaders" didn't get to make the decision. Don't like it. Tough shit.
 
Legion Troll said:
Think so, lol?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_drone_strikes

Obama-led drone strikes kill innocents 90% of the time

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/15/90-of-people-killed-by-us-drone-strikes-in-afghani/
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that is still minimalization of casualties. you go after high value targets, and you hit non-militants at the same time...it's going to happen.

Compare that to airstrikes ( not exactly precise weapons)...What we really need to do is end the "signature strikes"
where we don't even know whoTF we are really targeting
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
And that result was the end of WWII.

If you're trying to draw a moral equivalence between that, and Islamic terrorism forget about it. Islamic terrorists kill innocents for thoroughly immoral objectives.

If you want to bark up that tree, all wars are acts of 'terrorism' since innocents are nearly always killed in them. Such thinking leads to extreme pacifism, and extreme pacifism just gets people killed.

Terrorism is such a broad term it's too easy to do mischief with...like what you're doing lol.
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No mischief.

Civilians get killled in pretty much every war. To intentionally target them is a completely different story.

Are you suggesting that this should be an acceptable practice in war? That anything goes, as long as it leads to a "win"? You'd be okay w/ any kind of practice - torture, targeting civilians, chemical weapons?

And you're different from the average terrorist...how again?

Btw - terrorists have causes too. They have the same kind of excuses that you do.
 
CFM said:
There isn't but one goal in war and that is to WIN.
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So, the ends justify the means. I'll count you also as one who thinks there should be no rules of engagement, no Geneva convention? Torture, chemical weapons, nukes, targeting civilians - all are on the table?
 
the japanese people were prepaired to fight with sharpened sticks to the dead


everyman woman and child
 
And to add: anyone saying that it doesn't matter what we do, as long as it leads to victory - you're not addressing the question of the OP.

All you're saying is that terrorism is okay, as long as we win.
 
Rana said:
[h=2]~~~DWIGHT EISENHOWER[/h]"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."
- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380
In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:
"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

I have always respected Ike.
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Dwight was right.
 
Rana said:
Yes, Japan was never informed that the US had a new weapon when the warned Japan of total destruction.

The Emporer was planning to surrender, he only asked for immunity for the royal family and that they have the right to rule to maintain the rule of law in Japan.
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please document
 
LOL - see that, you compassionate Christian righties?

Desh is with you on incinerating innocent civilians. Because it was a Dem who did it, after all.
 
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