Ukraine war will end in 2025

[Scott]

How is NATO a threat to Russia? They're a defense alliance w/ no imperialistic aims. Membership is by request.

Absolute balderdash. That's like asking how arming Cuba with nukes was a threat to the U.S. Say what you like, I doubt the U.S. would have tolerated Cuba holding on to its nukes. If it weren't for the fact that both the Soviets and the U.S. had leadership that was willing to make a deal, who knows what would have happened. Even with calmer heads at the top, 4 out of the 9 times that Russia and the Soviets almost engaged in nuclear strikes were during the Cuban Missile Crisis:

9 times the world was at the brink of nuclear war — and pulled back

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August of 1945 marked the end of the World War II, and the beginning of the age of nuclear weapons.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[anonymoose]

Absolute balderdash. That's like asking how arming Cuba with nukes was a threat to the U.S. Say what you like, I doubt the U.S. would have tolerated Cuba holding on to its nukes. If it weren't for the fact that both the Soviets and the U.S. had leadership that was willing to make a deal, who knows what would have happened. Even with calmer heads at the top, 4 out of the 9 times that Russia and the Soviets almost engaged in nuclear strikes were during the Cuban Missile Crisis:

9 times the world was at the brink of nuclear war — and pulled back

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August of 1945 marked the end of the World War II, and the beginning of the age of nuclear weapons.

www.businessinsider.com

So you’re saying NATO plans on nuking Russia? Or are you saying NATO membership is by conquest?

 

[Hawkeye10]

So you’re saying NATO plans on nuking Russia? Or are you saying NATO membership is by conquest?

NATO that is America is using Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia, following the plan that Zbigniew Brzezinski laid out almost 30 years ago....it is an offensive arm of the Imperial Empire.

Russia tried to join NATO several times, and wanted to be a part of Europe....but they were told no because for America to keep NATO going it had to have a enemy.

 

[Hawkeye10]

In this vein, he became one of the foremost advocates of NATO expansion. He wrote in 1998 that "Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski#cite_note-90"><span>[</span>89<span>]</span></a> In 1997 he advocated for a "loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic" as a "decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization".<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski#cite_note-91"><span>[</span>90<span>]</span></a> He later came out in support of the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo war.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski#cite_note-92"><span>[</span>91<span>]</span></a>

Pietrzak also suggested that "Although Zbigniew Brzezinski is dead, his work is very much alive; the Biden administration follows Brzezinski’s geostrategic blueprint, which supports Ukraine militarily, logistically, diplomatically, and politically. Zbigniew Brzezinski’s son Mark Brzezinski serves as the United States Ambassador to Poland and helps his superiors implement his father’s geostrategic vision on the ground

Zbigniew Brzezinski - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hawkeye10]

I heard on the Duran today that there is a new Imperial Empire paper out that has concluded that if the Empire through NATO threw everything they have at Russia in Ukraine they would lose. Previously I heard on the Duran that one of Brzezinski's big mistakes was that he thought it inconceivable that Russia would ever be able to count China or Iran as friends.

 

[Scott]

How is NATO a threat to Russia? They're a defense alliance w/ no imperialistic aims. Membership is by request.

Absolute balderdash. That's like asking how arming Cuba with nukes was a threat to the U.S. Say what you like, I doubt the U.S. would have tolerated Cuba holding on to its nukes. If it weren't for the fact that both the Soviets and the U.S. had leadership that was willing to make a deal, who knows what would have happened. Even with calmer heads at the top, 4 out of the 9 times that Russia and the Soviets almost engaged in nuclear strikes were during the Cuban Missile Crisis:

9 times the world was at the brink of nuclear war — and pulled back

The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August of 1945 marked the end of the World War II, and the beginning of the age of nuclear weapons.

www.businessinsider.com

So you’re saying NATO plans on nuking Russia? Or are you saying NATO membership is by conquest?

Neither, though NATO members are currently bombing Russia, just not nuking them yet. What I'm saying is that Russia would have to be ridiculously trusting to be alright with Ukraine to become a member of NATO, just as it would have made no strategic sense for the U.S. to continue to allow Cuba to have nukes during the Cuban missile crisis.

Ukraine is a country that's been hostile to ethnic Russians and Russian speakers for years, as exemplified by the thousands of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers they killed during the Ukrainian 2014-2022 civil war and they've clearly wanted to join NATO all of that time as well. Perhaps most importantly, the U.S. has been promising that they would be accepted eventually as well. To this -day- they want to join NATO and to this day, western powers would like to see that happen.

Russia has rightly decided that until that changes, it's best to wage war on Ukraine.

 

[EdwinA]

Neither, though NATO members are currently bombing Russia, just not nuking them yet. What I'm saying is that Russia would have to be ridiculously trusting to be alright with Ukraine to become a member of NATO, just as it would have made no strategic sense for the U.S. to continue to allow Cuba to have nukes during the Cuban missile crisis.

Ukraine is a country that's been hostile to ethnic Russians and Russian speakers for years, as exemplified by the thousands of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers they killed during the Ukrainian 2014-2022 civil war and they've clearly wanted to join NATO all of that time as well. Perhaps most importantly, the U.S. has been promising that they would be accepted eventually as well. To this -day- they want to join NATO and to this day, western powers would like to see that happen.

Russia has rightly decided that until that changes, it's best to wage war on Ukraine.

lol complete rubbish.

 

[EdwinA]

So you’re saying NATO plans on nuking Russia? Or are you saying NATO membership is by conquest?

They have to blather contradictory rubbish constantly in order to sell their bullshit. Only the U.S. is imperialist n stuff, you know... Nobody else on the planet is. We're just pure evil, is all. lol

 

[Phantasmal]

Russia’s war debt is crippling those Putin forced to take out loans to finance his war with Ukraine.

'Out of Control': Russia's CPI Inflation Up Again to 9.5% in December - The Moscow Times

Russia’s runaway consumer price inflation (CPI) made more gains in December, rising to 9.5% y/y, as the Central Bank continues to lose the fight to reign in rising prices. “The rise in Russian inflation to 9.5% y/y in December is likely to be followed by an increase to more than 10% early this...

www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia's Hidden War Debt Creates a Looming Credit Crisis - The Moscow Times

Moscow has been quietly pursuing a two-pronged strategy to finance its escalating war costs.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[anonymoose]

Neither, though NATO members are currently bombing Russia, just not nuking them yet.

I see. So the plan is for NATO nations to eventually nuke Russia. Unprovoked.

What I'm saying is that Russia would have to be ridiculously trusting to be alright with Ukraine to become a member of NATO, just as it would have made no strategic sense for the U.S. to continue to allow Cuba to have nukes during the Cuban missile crisis.

It sounds like you’re equating being a NATO member with possessing nuclear weapons aimed at Russia.
There are 32 nations in NATO but only three possess nuclear weapons.
When will the other 29 countries get them for the purpose of nuking Russia?

Ukraine is a country that's been hostile to ethnic Russians and Russian speakers for years,

Only the traitors that supported the Holodomor.

Perhaps most importantly, the U.S. has been promising that they would be accepted eventually as well. To this -day- they want to join NATO and to this day, western powers would like to see that happen.

Makes sense. Look at what Russia is doing to them.

Russia has rightly decided that until that changes, it's best to wage war on Ukraine.

Which is why Sweden and Finland decided to join NATO.
Why didn’t Putin order an invasion of Sweden and Finland to prevent them from joining NATO?
Going back further, why did Stalin order the Holodomor against Ukraine?
I think you know why.
It’s no secret why Ukraine has been hostile to Russia. Russia has been hostile towards Ukraine for decades if not centuries.

 

[EdwinA]

Russia’s war debt is crippling those Putin forced to take out loans to finance his war with Ukraine.

'Out of Control': Russia's CPI Inflation Up Again to 9.5% in December - The Moscow Times

Russia’s runaway consumer price inflation (CPI) made more gains in December, rising to 9.5% y/y, as the Central Bank continues to lose the fight to reign in rising prices. “The rise in Russian inflation to 9.5% y/y in December is likely to be followed by an increase to more than 10% early this...

www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia's Hidden War Debt Creates a Looming Credit Crisis - The Moscow Times

Moscow has been quietly pursuing a two-pronged strategy to finance its escalating war costs.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Their GDP is smaller than Texas, and they have like five times the population or more. lol McCain was right about one thing anyway; they are indeed just a gas station pretending to be a super power. They have 3 times the population of Ukraine, and many times the resoruces, and yet they can't defeat them even on their own territory.

And some dumbasses think it's NATO that is the problem.

 

[Scott]

Neither, though NATO members are currently bombing Russia, just not nuking them yet.

I see. So the plan is for NATO nations to eventually nuke Russia. Unprovoked.

Oh, I'm sure NATO nations, or just the U.S., could come up with some excuse for doing so. The point is not whether NATO et al can come up with some reason for doing it, but that I think this is the direction this war is headed if the west wants to have any hope of not losing. Ofcourse, a nuclear exchange could well mean that humanity loses. If they recognize that losing outright to Russia is the better option, though, then perhaps it can continue to smolder as it's currently with Ukraine continuing to lose ground, until it ends with Ukraine's agreeing to Russia's terms.

What I'm saying is that Russia would have to be ridiculously trusting to be alright with Ukraine to become a member of NATO, just as it would have made no strategic sense for the U.S. to continue to allow Cuba to have nukes during the Cuban missile crisis.

It sounds like you’re equating being a NATO member with possessing nuclear weapons aimed at Russia.
There are 32 nations in NATO but only three possess nuclear weapons.
When will the other 29 countries get them for the purpose of nuking Russia?

Looks like you haven't heard about nuclear sharing. Wikipedia has an article on it here:

Nuclear sharing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But if you'd like to skip the article, let me just say that when Russia agreed to remove its nukes from Cuba, it did so after JFK promised to remove its nukes from Turkey. Turkey can't produce its own nukes, but it had some of the United States' nukes on its territory at the time. Bottom line, NATO members can put its nukes on the territory of other NATO members. If Ukraine became a NATO member, I think you can connect the dots to what that means.

 

[Scott]

Ukraine is a country that's been hostile to ethnic Russians and Russian speakers for years,

Only the traitors that supported the Holodomor.

The Holodomor was only the Ukrainian part of what was a Soviet wide famine. There are certainly arguments that it hit Ukraine harder, but they certainly weren't the only ones affected. Here's the introduction to Wikipedia's article on the subject:
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The Holodomor,[a] also known as the Ukrainian Famine,[8][9] was a mass famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union.

While scholars are in consensus that the main cause of the famine was largely man-made, not all historians believe that the term man-made is applicable to the Holodomor; it remains in dispute whether the Holodomor was intentional and whether it was directed at Ukrainians and whether it constitutes a genocide, the point of contention being the absence of attested documents explicitly ordering the starvation of any area in the Soviet Union. Some historians conclude that the famine was deliberately engineered by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement. Others suggest that the famine was primarily the consequence of rapid Soviet industrialisation and collectivization of agriculture. A middle position is that the initial causes of the famine were an unintentional byproduct of the process of collectivization but once it set in, starvation was selectively weaponized and the famine was "instrumentalized" and amplified against Ukrainians as a means to punish Ukrainians for resisting Soviet policies and to suppress their nationalist sentiments.

Ukraine was one of the largest grain-producing states in the USSR and was subject to unreasonably high grain quotas compared to the rest of the USSR in 1930.[10] [c] This caused Ukraine to be hit particularly hard by the famine. Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials vary greatly. A joint statement to the United Nations signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7 to 10 million people died.[d] More recent scholarship has estimated a lower range of between 3.5 to 5 million victims.[11] The famine's widespread impact on Ukraine persists to this day.[how?]
**

Gotta love the last word in that quote, "how?" . Some Ukrainians can ofcourse harbour grudges that happened almost a century ago, but the fact of the matter is that Stalin was rough for a -lot- of people in the Soviet Union, not just Ukrainians. There's also the fact that 2 wrongs don't make a right. Western Ukraine's killing of thousands of Russian speaking and ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine isn't justified just because Stalin did some bad things almost a century ago. A good documentary I really think you should see was done by a German team of journalists back when Ukraine's civil war was in full swing. It can be seen here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFVNRZv2eM&ab_channel=NuoViso


Or, if you prefer taking to look at articles, I think these 2 are good:

Return to Russia: Crimeans Tell the Real Story of the 2014 Referendum and Their Lives Since

Eva Bartlett traveled to Crimea to see how people have fared since their country reunited with Russia and what the referendum was really like

www.mintpressnews.com

Under Fire from Ukraine and Misperceived by the West, The People of the DPR Share Their Stories

Eva Bartlett traveled to the Donetsk People's Republic to see firsthand how residents are faring amidst a western-backed incursion by Ukraine

www.mintpressnews.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

Their GDP is smaller than Texas, and they have like five times the population or more. lol McCain was right about one thing anyway; they are indeed just a gas station pretending to be a super power. They have 3 times the population of Ukraine, and many times the resoruces, and yet they can't defeat them even on their own territory.

And some dumbasses think it's NATO that is the problem.

The fantasy is strong with you....Russia produces more and better military gear than the West, and has beaten us in Ukraine.....their Army is massively better than America's, the Air force is on par with ours, their air defenses are massively better and so are their missiles.....the only place we clearly beat them is surface ships....but not in subs.

 

[Scott]

Perhaps most importantly, the U.S. has been promising that they would be accepted eventually as well. To this -day- they want to join NATO and to this day, western powers would like to see that happen.

Makes sense. Look at what Russia is doing to them.

What Russia's doing makes a lot of sense, when you consider what Ukraine had been doing to its Russian speakers and ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine for the past 8 years prior to Russia's military operation in Ukraine. I think Putin himself was pretty eloquent on this in the speech he gave on the day he started his military operation in Ukraine. Quoting:
**
This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.

If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

I have already said that Russia accepted the new geopolitical reality after the dissolution of the USSR. We have been treating all new post-Soviet states with respect and will continue to act this way. We respect and will respect their sovereignty, as proven by the assistance we provided to Kazakhstan when it faced tragic events and a challenge in terms of its statehood and integrity. However, Russia cannot feel safe, develop, and exist while facing a permanent threat from the territory of today’s Ukraine.

Let me remind you that in 2000–2005 we used our military to push back against terrorists in the Caucasus and stood up for the integrity of our state. We preserved Russia. In 2014, we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, we used our Armed Forces to create a reliable shield that prevented terrorists from Syria from penetrating Russia. This was a matter of defending ourselves. We had no other choice.

The same is happening today. They did not leave us any other option for defending Russia and our people, other than the one we are forced to use today. In these circumstances, we have to take bold and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbass have asked Russia for help.

In this context, in accordance with Article 51 (Chapter VII) of the UN Charter, with permission of Russia’s Federation Council, and in execution of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic, ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22, I made a decision to carry out a special military operation.
**

Full transcript:

Address by the President of the Russian Federation

en.kremlin.ru

 

[Hawkeye10]

Russia’s war debt is crippling those Putin forced to take out loans to finance his war with Ukraine.

'Out of Control': Russia's CPI Inflation Up Again to 9.5% in December - The Moscow Times

Russia’s runaway consumer price inflation (CPI) made more gains in December, rising to 9.5% y/y, as the Central Bank continues to lose the fight to reign in rising prices. “The rise in Russian inflation to 9.5% y/y in December is likely to be followed by an increase to more than 10% early this...

www.themoscowtimes.com

Russia's Hidden War Debt Creates a Looming Credit Crisis - The Moscow Times

Moscow has been quietly pursuing a two-pronged strategy to finance its escalating war costs.

www.themoscowtimes.com

As a share of GDP, the deficit decreased to 1.7%, compared to 1.9% in 2023,​

Russia Government Budget Value

Russia recorded a government budget deficit of 2701 RUB Billion in February of 2025. This page provides - Russia Government Budget Value - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

America is more than 6%.

Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product

Graph and download economic data for Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product (FYFSGDA188S) from 1929 to 2024 about budget, federal, GDP, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

 

[Scott]

Russia has rightly decided that until that changes, it's best to wage war on Ukraine.

Which is why Sweden and Finland decided to join NATO.
Why didn’t Putin order an invasion of Sweden and Finland to prevent them from joining NATO?

I strongly suspect Sweden and Finland not killing thousands of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians in their country for 8 years had something to do with it.

It’s no secret why Ukraine has been hostile to Russia.

Well, I think that depends on who you ask. As to my own take, I think a lot of it has to do with the United States' support of what was essentially a NATO backed coup back in 2014, that saw the elected President of Ukraine at the time fleeing for his life, while neo Nazis took over. A good article on the event can be seen here:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

 

[EdwinA]

The fantasy is strong with you....Russia produces more and better military gear than the West, and has beaten us in Ukraine.....their Army is massively better than America's, the Air force is on par with ours, their air defenses are massively better and so are their missiles.....the only place we clearly beat them is surface ships....but not in subs.

You have some really good drug connections.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You have some really good drug connections.

I suggest you work on your education.

You can start here:

Why Russia is far outpacing US/Nato in weapons production

No forward thinking and a defense industry that only thinks of profits, are a bad mix

responsiblestatecraft.org

 

[Phantasmal]

Russia Government Budget Value

Russia recorded a government budget deficit of 2701 RUB Billion in February of 2025. This page provides - Russia Government Budget Value - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

America is more than 6%.

Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product

Graph and download economic data for Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product (FYFSGDA188S) from 1929 to 2024 about budget, federal, GDP, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

Russia's Soviet-era military stockpile running low, faces equipment shortages, media reports​

Russia's Soviet-era military stockpile running low, faces equipment shortages, media reports

The Russian military reportedly has lost more than half of its available equipment, and unless an unexpected shift occurs, hostilities could gradually fade by late 2025 or early 2026 due to a shortage of tanks, armored vehicles, and artillery.

kyivindependent.com