TRUMP vs DEEP STATE: “The War Is On”

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I love how you turbo-libs deny the existence of The Deep State. By denying it's existence, you can ignore arguments to eliminate it.

No rational voter wants GovCo controlled by non-elected officials, but that's exactly what the Deep State has done. Once it is exposed you will lose your voter base forever.

How can one "deny the existence" of something you as a proponent can't even define?

We'll try again, who and what makes up this mythological "deep state?" And don't reply with the usual three or four names or some generalized entity as the FBI or Justice Dept..

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Belief in the "deep state" is no different from 9/11 truthers, or JFK conspiracy buffs.

The logic surrounding these conspiracies is obvious for anyone who can take 2 steps back and think about it: if more than 2-3 people have to be involved in something and have knowledge of its workings, it CANNOT be kept secret. Someone will talk about it eventually - either leaking it, having a crisis of conscience, or in the end, some sort of deathbed confession.

People who think that dozens or more can orchestrate something like this AND that it can be kept from our 24x7 media (including internet) are delusional.

 

[anatta]

Come on "anatta," none of that has ever been proven, pure inneundo

Seeing you skirting on who is the"deep state," perhaps you can tell us what exactly who and what is the "Clinton machine" or "Obama machine?" And since you couldn't tell us who this "deep state" is how can you state the entity you can't define "controls the media narrative?"

Not intending to be personal, but your post closely resembles the talk radio TV demogogues' melodrama they narrate daily

I'm working and it takes some time to compose. I mentioned the un-masking requests by Power who is NOT an investigator -so why all the unmaskings? ( which she denies)
same thing with what i wrote about Brennan. I've gone over this, you guys laugh it off, and then you ask me to go over it again..then there is the Obama reg that allowed INTEl raw intel ( not just reports) to be more easily shared across agencies- Executive Order 12333- and then there is the fact all this was classified etc etc.

 

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I'm not even going to waste my time.. I've gone over t a few times and they won't wrap their heads around it.
It's basically manipulation of Intelligence by the IC leadership,but it's a complex interaction with media and Congress as well .Why did Powers deny she did un-masking request, and there are hundreds in her name -more and more between election and inauguration..etc etc.

You did exactly what "deep state" proponents do when asked who is the "deep state," regurgitated a name, usually it is the same several half dozen individuals, accused via inneundo but never proven of doing something you think proves a mythological entity is or was plotting against the President.

Usually the stated motivation is because they can't accept the election and are working to delegitimize Trump's Presidency

Have no other explanation of "not even going to waste my time" other than you can't define this "deep state" you and other conservatives echo endlessly

 

[anatta]

The idea is to let more experts across American intelligence gain direct access to unprocessed information, increasing the chances that they will recognize any possible nuggets of value. That also means more officials will be looking at private messages — not only foreigners’ phone calls and emails that have not yet had irrelevant personal information screened out, but also communications to, from, or about Americans that the N.S.A.’s foreign intelligence programs swept in incidentally.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out

 

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I'm working and it takes some time to compose. I mentioned the un-masking requests by Power who is NOT an investigator -so why all the unmaskings? ( which she denies)
same thing with what i wrote about Brennan. I've gone over this, you guys laugh it off, and then you ask me to go over it again..then there is the Obama reg that allowed INTEl raw intel ( not just reports) to be more easily shared across agencies- Executive Order 12333- and then there is the fact all this was classified etc etc.

And again your just regurgitating the same names with the same associated innuendos which were never proven to generalized a mythological entity plotting against Trump. At best pure conjecture

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Deep state is a silly fiction...

It is. But our RW friends sure do love their invisible enemies!

 

[anatta]

And again your just regurgitating the same names with the same associated innuendos which were never proven to generalized a mythological entity plotting against Trump. At best pure conjecture

it's not conjecture..i gave you specific facts.."connecting the dots" from there is up to you.
I'm not going to debate your closed mind, stay warm and fuzzy for all I care

 

[kudzu]

It is. But our RW friends sure do love their invisible enemies!

Its like "birther" crap....... just as stupid.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Its like "birther" crap....... just as stupid.

Ra-men. Sure makes a convenient excuse, though, for the failure to dig up any real dirt on the Clintons that would hang them; for the failure of Trump to accomplish anything.

 

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Belief in the "deep state" is no different from 9/11 truthers, or JFK conspiracy buffs.

The logic surrounding these conspiracies is obvious for anyone who can take 2 steps back and think about it: if more than 2-3 people have to be involved in something and have knowledge of its workings, it CANNOT be kept secret. Someone will talk about it eventually - either leaking it, having a crisis of conscience, or in the end, some sort of deathbed confession.

People who think that dozens or more can orchestrate something like this AND that it can be kept from our 24x7 media (including internet) are delusional.

But this one is pure political and sold by the entire right wing media in an orchestrated effort regardless of evidence or validity. In the meantime, it is doing serious damage to some of the very institutions that contributes to the consensus needed in our democracy, and all for personal political ends

 

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it's not conjecture..i gave you specific facts.."connecting the dots" from there is up to you.
I'm not going to debate your closed mind, stay warm and fuzzy for all I care

And the "connecting the dots" proves my point, pure conjecture, the conservatives themselves can not define who or what this supposed "deep state" is or what is it doing, yet it is central to a lot of the arguements they employ to rationalize the President, as I said, a lot of conservatives need an existential threat to define events

 

[evince]

I'm not even going to waste my time.. I've gone over t a few times and they won't wrap their heads around it.
It's basically manipulation of Intelligence by the IC leadership,but it's a complex interaction with media and Congress as well .Why did Powers deny she did un-masking request, and there are hundreds in her name -more and more between election and inauguration..etc etc.

this is what it looks like when a russo bot hole tries to get Americans to hate their fellow Americans for having a job in our beautifully designed government


they want you to hate the millions of civil servants in this nation

it makes Putin cream his jeans

 

[anatta]

And the "connecting the dots" proves my point, pure conjecture, the conservatives themselves can not define who or what this supposed "deep state" is or what is it doing, yet it is central to a lot of the arguements they employ to rationalize the President, as I said, a lot of conservatives need an existential threat to define events

WTF do you think you gotta do when your trying to get a look at classified procedures?
You understand them as best you can,look at the players, and their actions.
You look at any manipulations -who does it serve,and you draw conclusions.
Then look for confirming patterns

If you were interested, you'd do this, but you's rather rag on "RW conspirators".'The same thing you guys always do. I'm not interested in spoon feeding you. either you investigate or not. I don't care

 

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Deep state is a silly fiction...

Call it or don't call it what you want. I think a political civil war is appropriate.

Why did Powers deny she did un-masking request, and there are hundreds in her name -more and more between election and inauguration..etc etc.

One example of many. Makes the Plame affair look like kids playing in a sandbox.
Somebody's going to make a hell of a book/movie/documentary when this is played out.

 

[evince]

WTF do you think you gotta do when your trying to get a look at classified procedures?
You understand them as best you can,look at the players, and their actions.
You look at any manipulations -who does it serve,and you draw conclusions.
Then look for confirming patterns

If you were interested, you'd do this, but you's rather rag on "RW conspirators".'The same thing you guys always do. I'm not interested in spoon feeding you. either you investigate or not. I don't care

Because its a lie

there are no DOTS to connect

 

[anatta]

Because its a lie

there are no DOTS to connect

your brain is disconnected dots

 

[evince]

Call it or don't call it whar you want. I think a political civil war is appropriate.

One example of many. Makes the Plame affair look like kids playing in a sandbox.
Somebody's going to make a hell of a book/movie/documentary when this is played out.

it will be labeled

how the republican party committed suicide

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

your brain is disconnected dots

You only connect the dots you want to connect. Comey's letter (which changed the course of history) is something you take out of the equation, as are numerous other actions and behaviors which completely contradict any sort of organized pattern or strategy.

 

[Gotcha68]

WTF do you think you gotta do when your trying to get a look at classified procedures?
You understand them as best you can,look at the players, and their actions.
You look at any manipulations -who does it serve,and you draw conclusions.
Then look for confirming patterns

If you were interested, you'd do this, but you's rather rag on "RW conspirators".'The same thing you guys always do. I'm not interested in spoon feeding you. either you investigate or not. I don't care

I imagine Mueller is doing exactly that but isn't sharing what he is finding so some on here are assuming he hasn't found anything. In this instance some of you need to be spoon fed or it's all a conspiracy.

Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.