The Laschamp event and the demise of Neanderthals

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The strongest theory about the demise of Neanderthals which I've read.

The Laschamp event was the reduction of the Earth's magnetic field to about 10% of present strength about 42,000 years ago. This also coincides with the demise of the Neanderthals.

A repeat of the Laschamp excursion would be disasterous for modern human civilization since it would take out both our satellites and our power grid. A failure of the grid would result in massive famine with up to 7.5B humans dying in the first year or two.

Two Closely Related Species, and Two Wildly Divergent Fates​

Archaeological records indicate that Homo sapiens began creating tailored clothing during this time, using tools such as needles and hide scrapers. Raven Garvey, an anthropologist at the University of Michigan, noted in Discover Magazine that this clothing likely served a dual purpose. “Tailored clothing could have also provided another unintended benefit—protection from sun damage,” she said.

In addition to clothing, Homo sapiens increasingly used ochre—a reddish pigment made of iron oxide, clay, and silica—during this period. When applied to the skin, ochre offers natural protection against the sun.

These adaptations likely gave Homo sapiens an edge over Neanderthals, who did not seem to adopt similar sun protection measures. Some researchers believe the harsh environmental conditions brought on by the Laschamps excursion contributed to Neanderthal extinction, as their inability to adapt to increased radiation would have had lethal consequences. Scientists have been searching for reasons to explain why Neanderthals and Homo sapies met such divergent fates around 40,000 years ago, and different responses to an environmental emergency could certainly explain it.
 
The strongest theory about the demise of Neanderthals which I've read.

The Laschamp event was the reduction of the Earth's magnetic field to about 10% of present strength about 42,000 years ago. This also coincides with the demise of the Neanderthals.

A repeat of the Laschamp excursion would be disasterous for modern human civilization since it would take out both our satellites and our power grid. A failure of the grid would result in massive famine with up to 7.5B humans dying in the first year or two.

Two Closely Related Species, and Two Wildly Divergent Fates​

Archaeological records indicate that Homo sapiens began creating tailored clothing during this time, using tools such as needles and hide scrapers. Raven Garvey, an anthropologist at the University of Michigan, noted in Discover Magazine that this clothing likely served a dual purpose. “Tailored clothing could have also provided another unintended benefit—protection from sun damage,” she said.

In addition to clothing, Homo sapiens increasingly used ochre—a reddish pigment made of iron oxide, clay, and silica—during this period. When applied to the skin, ochre offers natural protection against the sun.

These adaptations likely gave Homo sapiens an edge over Neanderthals, who did not seem to adopt similar sun protection measures. Some researchers believe the harsh environmental conditions brought on by the Laschamps excursion contributed to Neanderthal extinction, as their inability to adapt to increased radiation would have had lethal consequences. Scientists have been searching for reasons to explain why Neanderthals and Homo sapies met such divergent fates around 40,000 years ago, and different responses to an environmental emergency could certainly explain it.

Here is what I would ask the author.

Has this massive drop in paleomagnetic strength been thoroughly confirmed by regional or global geologic studies?

Wouldn't there be evidence of mass extinctions in other species in the fossil record?

Neanderthals lived at high latitudes and were only getting oblique sunlight of lower energy. Homo sapiens living in equatorial areas were getting the full blast of solar radiation, and modern aboriginal people in tropical or temperate equatorial areas didn't wear very many clothes. Look at aborigines in Australia. Would their darker skin be adequate protection?
 
Has this massive drop in paleomagnetic strength been thoroughly confirmed by regional or global geologic studies?

It was found in an extrusive flow in the Chans De Puy in France in 1967 and in the Olby flow nearby.

It appears that the anomaly is something like 160degrees off from the usual (I'm of course assuming you understand how geomagnetic anomalies are found and why one would look at extrusives. Let me know if you can't find it in Wikipedia).

Now, I'm not like you, Cy, and want to come here and blather like I actually understand geophysics but I'm curious what you think would be a better explanation for the 160degrees difference between alignment of the Fe in the phase assemblages other than a magnetic field destabilization.

I don't say this to merely point out the fact that you won't be able to discuss this scientifically, but because I am completely unfamiliar with any other explanation and I would be curious if someone smarter has told you something.





Or just whine because I'm posting on another thread. Maybe ban me.
 
Here is what I would ask the author.

Has this massive drop in paleomagnetic strength been thoroughly confirmed by regional or global geologic studies?

Wouldn't there be evidence of mass extinctions in other species in the fossil record?

Neanderthals lived at high latitudes and were only getting oblique sunlight of lower energy. Homo sapiens living in equatorial areas were getting the full blast of solar radiation, and modern aboriginal people in tropical or temperate equatorial areas didn't wear very many clothes. Look at aborigines in Australia. Would their darker skin be adequate protection?
It seems so, but needs more data.

Yes re extinctions: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...ipping-linked-to-extinctions-42000-years-ago/
“These extreme environmental changes may have caused, or at least contributed to, extinction events including those of large mammals in Australia and the Neanderthals in Europe,” says Paula Reimer at Queen’s University Belfast, UK, who wasn’t involved in the research. Megafauna across Australia and Tasmania – prehistoric giant mammals that existed in the Late Pleistocene – and Neanderthals in Europe went extinct around the same time as the magnetic pole reversal, 42,000 years ago.

Good question about the Aborigines. They arrived almost 10,000 years before the Laschamp excursion.

Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of today's Aboriginal Australians first migrated to the continent 50,000 to 65,000 years ago. Genomic studies suggest that the peopling of Australia happened between 43,000 to 60,000 years ago.
 
Now, I'm not like you, Cy, and want to come here and blather like I actually understand geophysics but I'm curious what you think would be a better explanation for the 160degrees difference between alignment of the Fe in the phase assemblages other than a magnetic field destabilization.

I don't say this to merely point out the fact that you won't be able to discuss this scientifically, but because I am completely unfamiliar with any other explanation and I would be curious if someone smarter has told you something.


Or just whine because I'm posting on another thread. Maybe ban me.
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This is your weakness, Perry. It's also why I know you are not what you claim or, if you are, that you've lost most of your marbles along the way. No college graduate, much less a PhD, could be so petty. Or, if they are, then they've developed incapacitating mental issues.
 
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This is your weakness, Perry. It's also why I know you are not what you claim or, if you are, that you've lost most of your marbles along the way. No college graduate, much less a PhD, could be so petty. Or, if they are, then they've developed incapacitating mental issues.

Try discussing the topic. Or do exactly as I predicted. Either way matters not to me one whit.


You think you have some insight on magnetic reversals jump right on in. Make sure to laud Cypress with a drooling affection. You always do.
 
It seems so, but needs more data.

Yes re extinctions: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...ipping-linked-to-extinctions-42000-years-ago/


Good question about the Aborigines. They arrived almost 10,000 years before the Laschamp excursion.

The paleointensity of past magnetic fields should be pretty tricky to accurately measure; we have better experience with measuring the paleodeclination of the past magnetic field.

The fact that humans probably hunted megafauna to extinction in North America makes me suspicious of the claim of a link between magnetic field intensity and the megafauna extinction event at 42k ya. Humans have only been in the Americas in large numbers for less than 20k years, long after this 42k magnetic event.
 
The paleointensity of past magnetic fields should be pretty tricky to accurately measure; we have better experience with measuring the paleodeclination of the past magnetic field.

It's actually not that rare of a thing to measure:

"The strength of the ancient geomagnetic field and its variability through time can be deduced from various different types of measurements. Absolute palaeointensities are calibrated using a known laboratory magnetic field and can be recovered from any rocks retaining a thermoremanent magnetization yielding a palaeomagnetic measurement of the geomagnetic field intensity recorded at the time and place that the rock cooled down from above the Curie temperature of the magnetic grains. Similarly, archaeointensity measurements are made from heated archaeological artifacts (e.g., fired pottery). By contrast, relative palaeointensities provide uncalibrated records of geomagnetic intensity variations measured from the natural remanent magnetization of sediments, and cosmogenic isotope palaeointensities achieve the same using concentrations of cosmogenic isotopes as a proxy." (LINK)

Weaver describes the process in his 1966 article "Measurement of the Past Intensity of Earth's Magnetic Field" (HERE)



 
I am a Master Googler, and rely on Cypress' posts to learn new things! :love:
It's actually not that rare of a thing to measure:
I didn't say it was rare, Perry. lol. I said it was tricky -->


"Obtaining reliable estimates of the past strength of Earth's magnetic field is very challenging."

Source: Paleomagnetic Laboratory Fort Hoofddijk, Department of Earth Sciences, Utrecht University, Utrecht, Netherlands
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I didn't say it was rare, Perry. lol. I said it was tricky -->


"Obtaining reliable estimates of the past strength of Earth's magnetic field is very challenging."

Source: Paleomagnetic Laboratory Fort Hoofddijk, Department of Earth Sciences, Utrecht University, Utrecht, Netherlands
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At least NOW you know some details about the technical topic! Don't you feel smarter? You are most welcome. I'm glad I could encourage you to expand your knowledge base today.
 
I suck dicks. I would love to suck Dutch Uncle's dick but I'm still not allowed privileges to leave the home.


^^^^^THAT is how you alter a quote box. You change the NAME. That makes it legal per the rules.


Now do better. I know you are intellectually challenged but do try to follow the rules. They are pretty simple
 
The paleointensity of past magnetic fields should be pretty tricky to accurately measure; we have better experience with measuring the paleodeclination of the past magnetic field.

The fact that humans probably hunted megafauna to extinction in North America makes me suspicious of the claim of a link between magnetic field intensity and the megafauna extinction event at 42k ya. Humans have only been in the Americas in large numbers for less than 20k years, long after this 42k magnetic event.
Well above my knowledge level but the Laschamp excursion seems to draw a pretty clear line of what existed before and what existed after just like the Chicxulub asteroid impact drew a line.

There are other factors involved, but humans hunting species into extinction isn't new. My #1 theory about why no other intelligent species exist on Earth is because humans killed them off. Life can be rough in the wild. :)

“Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.” -Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan

Hobbes is writing about war, but survival in the wild is a war. A war of survival. The same logic applies.
 
Well above my knowledge level but the Laschamp excursion seems to draw a pretty clear line of what existed before and what existed after just like the Chicxulub asteroid impact drew a line.

There are other factors involved, but humans hunting species into extinction isn't new. My #1 theory about why no other intelligent species exist on Earth is because humans killed them off. Life can be rough in the wild. :)

“Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.” -Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan

Hobbes is writing about war, but survival in the wild is a war. A war of survival. The same logic applies.

Thanks for posting this info, it was news to me!

There's so much about early homo sapiens we don't know, the sky is the limit on future research, assuming Pedo Don doesn't pull the plug on all science funding!
 
Thanks for posting this info, it was news to me!

There's so much about early homo sapiens we don't know, the sky is the limit on future research, assuming Pedo Don doesn't pull the plug on all science funding!
Pedo Don can push the United States back a hundred years but he can't do the same for the entire world. I suspect the rest of the world will just move past us. Sad.
 
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