Can you point to one real lie Trump told, with the exact quote and link?

Rob Larrikin said:
Bzzzt. Misquote. He did not use those words. He had read a newspaper report about Rafael Cruz being with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Kennedy being shot, and that’s what he described. You can see the tape here and listen for yourself.

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I gave you a link.. Did you decide to skip it?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
In recent years there has been an upsurge of internet activity seeking to portray Hitler as a leftist, claiming that 'leftists' have falsified history:

"A favorite tactic employed by leftists is to describe the Nazis as 'right wing'. Rewriting history is pretty common for leftists ..." (The KKK was founded by Democrats, etc etc.)
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

Most if not all of this propaganda comes from the far right, for obvious reasons. Unless they are actually neo-Nazis (in which case they are in no doubt that Hitler was not a leftist), they find it embarrassing for Hitler to be called right wing. But is there anything to this theory?

Capitalists and aristocrats owned most of the means of production in Nazi Germany. The Nazi Charter of Labor gave employers complete power over the workers' livelihoods, explicitly designating the employer as the leader of the enterprise: "The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees in all matters concerning the enterprise." The Nazis abolished labor unions, collective bargaining, and the right to strike. An organization called the Labor Front replaced the old unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers. Productivity rose sharply but wages fell after 1933.

What of Hitler's supposed debt to Marxism? Allan Bullock, perhaps the greatest Hitler historian, summed it up:

"While Hitler's attitude towards liberalism was one of contempt, towards Marxism he showed an implacable hostility. Ignoring the profound differences between Communism and Social Democracy in practice and the bitter hostility between the rival working class parties, he saw in their common ideology the embodiment of all that he detested - mass democracy and a leveling egalitarianism as opposed to the authoritarian state and the rule of an elite; equality and friendship among peoples as opposed to racial inequality and the domination of the strong; class solidarity versus national unity; internationalism versus nationalism."
- Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, page 228.

"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."
- Mein Kampf, page 65.

So, was Hitler a liberal socialist?


Coming soon: was Stalin a libertarian capitalist?
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This is the Fake News we've been hearing since WWII.

Boring.

Hitler and the National Socialists were Socialists, and that's as clear as can be.
 
kudzu said:
I gave you a link.. Did you decide to skip it?
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Saw it, and like I say, he was expressing an opinion about a newspaper article, which is exactly what you are doing right now. Are you lying? If you can isolate the lie you say is there, during his conversation, then copy and paste it here. What's the matter? Too scared? Are you going to bawl, "I gave it to you, I gave it to you," and suck your thumb? Just place it here for all to see - come on, show some courage.
 
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jul/27/fact-checking-donald-trumps-points-about-economy/

President Donald Trump campaigned hard on a promise to kick the economy into high gear and with the latest economic numbers, he had something to crow about. The economy grew at an annualized rate of 4.1 percent between April and June.

Trump said the country was seeing proof of the power of his tax- and regulation-cutting agenda. Let’s take a look at some of his assertions and see whether they hold up.

"In the second quarter of this year, the United States economy grew at the amazing rate of 4.1 percent."
Trump is correct about the 4.1 percent growth rate for gross domestic product in the second quarter of 2018. (It’s worth noting that this number could fall, or rise, based on subsequent revisions by government statisticians.)

This is a strong showing in the context of recent history, and the highest since the third quarter of 2014. But most economists would not use the word "amazing" to describe it.

Quarterly increases of at least 4 percent are not unheard of. That level was reached four times under President Barack Obama, including heights Trump has not yet reached, such as 4.6 percent (twice) and 5.2 percent (once). On two other occasions, Obama oversaw 3.9 percent growth.

"In the second quarter of this year, the United States economy grew at the amazing rate of 4.1 percent."
White House remarks – Friday, July 27, 2018

"These numbers are very, very sustainable."
Independent analysts are skeptical about how long this growth spurt can last.

"Unfortunately, this rapid growth is largely the effect of a one-time sugar high and is not representative of likely growth over the course of the next year, let alone the next decade," the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget wrote after Trump’s remarks.

The group cited a confluence of positive events in early 2018 that won’t be repeated indefinitely: the passage of a major tax bill in December 2017, a 13 percent bump in discretionary spending in the latest federal appropriations bill, and accelerated purchases of goods in advance of threatened Trump administration tariffs, notably soybeans.

The pro-business Tax Foundation also injected a note of caution, writing, "A short time period is not sufficient to make conclusions about long-term policy changes."

Growing at 3 percent for a full year is now in the realm of possibility for Trump, and if it happens, it would be an accomplishment. The last time the economy grew at 3 percent for an entire year was in 2005, when it grew at 3.3 percent. Read our more detailed explanation of why economists think 3 percent growth is unlikely over the long-term.

"The year before I came into office, private business investment grew at only 1.8 percent. Last year, it jumped to 6.3 percent. … This year, it's growing at 9.4 percent, so that's a very tremendous increase."
The math checks out. Between the last quarter of 2017 and the latest one, fixed investment went from $3.42 trillion to to $3.58 trillion. That’s a 4.7 percent increase for the first six months. If you assume that will continue, you can double it and you get 9 to 10 percent for the year.

However, it’s worth noting that the rise in the first quarter of 2018 was 11.5 percent and in the second it was 7.3 percent.

"It's definitely slowing down, but that was a pretty big leap in the first quarter," said Justin Fox, the editorial director of the Harvard Business Review.

Indeed Hiring Lab economist Nick Bunker cautioned that these numbers will change as the data is refined and republished in subsequent months.

"You don't want to get too nitpicky with the data, especially a first release," Bunker said. "This will get revised a few times and there are margins of errors and so forth."

"We had lost almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs under the previous administration. … Since I was elected, we've added 400,000 new manufacturing jobs."
The math is roughly right, but it needs context. Manufacturing jobs did decline by 192,000 under Obama, and since Trump’s election, they have increased by 373,000.

However, Obama’s numbers look particularly bad because he took office as the Great Recession was in full force — a situation Trump, in his short tenure, has avoided.

Once manufacturing jobs hit rock bottom in February 2010, they increased by 916,000 by the time Obama left office.

The chart below shows that manufacturing employment did weaken slightly during the final three years of Obama’s tenure and began to increase early in Trump’s. So it’s not unreasonable for Trump to cite an uptick on his watch.

That said, the rate of increase has been fairly stable since around 2010, regardless of the president in office.

"We have added 3.7 million new jobs since the election, a number that is unthinkable if you go back to the campaign."
Trump’s number is in the ballpark. If you use November 2016 as the baseline, almost 3.5 million jobs have been added through June 2018.

This is a notable achievement, especially at the end of a long economic recovery -- the longer a recovery goes, the harder it is to keep up high rates of job growth.

That said, "unthinkable" is the wrong word to use. The scale of monthly job gains under Trump are broadly in line with the scale of monthly job gains under Obama.

"We are in the midst of the longest positive job growth streak in history."
That’s correct. But a large majority of that job growth streak came on Obama’s watch.

"We've accomplished an economic turnaround of historic proportions."
There’s little question that the economy is in good health right now. But Trump is off-base when he suggests that this required a "turnaround." During the second half, or more, of Obama’s term, the economy was doing well, too.

The data on job creation and GDP growth are clear evidence of that. Trends in the unemployment rate, the housing market, bankruptcies and bank failures also showed significant improvement throughout the Obama years.

"Women unemployment rate recently reached the lowest level in 65 years."
The current level is 3.7 percent. That’s certainly low by historical standards, but it was as low or lower than that for most of the time between August 1999 and April 2001.

"Consumer confidence has reached historic highs."
Consumer confidence is high at the moment, but it’s not at a record. The Conference Board’s Consumer confidence index was higher in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Many on the left say that Trump lies. Some say he lies all day long, and that he tells thousands of lies per day, and so on. Every time I ask Lefties to provide proof of one alleged lie, they go silent. On the odd occasion someone rattle off examples from the top of their head instead of providing an exact quote, or point to a bunch of links using a Gish Gallop fallacy.

I look into their allegations only to find there was no such lie. They’ll say that Trump said, “Obama was born in Kenya", and I will point out that in fact it was Obama’s literary agent who said that in an autobiography. Trump then tweeted to Romney, “In debate, @MittRomney should ask Obama why autobiography states "born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia."

So please don’t rattle alleged lies off the top of your head. Instead, find the exact quote and provide a link to it. I will then look into it. If I find any genuine proven lies I will agree to them being lies.

Trump is an honest man so it’s doubtful you will find any legitimate lies. And remember, a “view” or a “belief” is not a lie. Trump might say he believes in Zeus, and you might say that’s a lie. You would be using the wrong word. He might be wrong about something, but if he believed it when he said it, it is not a lie. For instance, if he boasted that he was the greatest POTUS ever, that’s not a lie. He believes he is. So do I. Another thing that is not a lie is an exaggeration or a joke. If Trump said, “When you’re a star they let you do it… grab ‘em by the pussy,” this is not him saying he goes around raping women. That is the hysterical Left’s silly translation. Likewise, if he jokingly said, “Man, we’re gonna be the richest country for a million years,” that is not a lie – it is a harmless piece of joking or kidding around.

Here is the best way to go about this if you wish to try:

1) Calm down. Chillax. Don’t rush.

2) Be sensible. Go find what you think is a Trump lie. Use Google and Bing.

3) Research it a little. See what other people say. That part is very important.

4) Once you are sure it is a lie, and not just Fake News, present ONE accurate quote & link.

Good luck, but remember, to qualify you need to provide just one EXACT quote, and provide a link to show the alleged lie details. You say he lies, so YOU provide PROOF. I will look at that proof and if I see you made mistakes, I will provide details.
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LOL! You already got your faggot ass fucked over at Debate Politics with this.

What IS it with you loving getting sodomized at practically every forum I've seen?
 
DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jul/27/fact-checking-donald-trumps-points-about-economy/

President Donald Trump campaigned hard on a promise to kick the economy into high gear and with the latest economic numbers, he had something to crow about. The economy grew at an annualized rate of 4.1 percent between April and June.

Trump said the country was seeing proof of the power of his tax- and regulation-cutting agenda. Let’s take a look at some of his assertions and see whether they hold up.

"In the second quarter of this year, the United States economy grew at the amazing rate of 4.1 percent."
Trump is correct about the 4.1 percent growth rate for gross domestic product in the second quarter of 2018. (It’s worth noting that this number could fall, or rise, based on subsequent revisions by government statisticians.)

This is a strong showing in the context of recent history, and the highest since the third quarter of 2014. But most economists would not use the word "amazing" to describe it.

Quarterly increases of at least 4 percent are not unheard of. That level was reached four times under President Barack Obama, including heights Trump has not yet reached, such as 4.6 percent (twice) and 5.2 percent (once). On two other occasions, Obama oversaw 3.9 percent growth.

"In the second quarter of this year, the United States economy grew at the amazing rate of 4.1 percent."
White House remarks – Friday, July 27, 2018

"These numbers are very, very sustainable."
Independent analysts are skeptical about how long this growth spurt can last.

"Unfortunately, this rapid growth is largely the effect of a one-time sugar high and is not representative of likely growth over the course of the next year, let alone the next decade," the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget wrote after Trump’s remarks.

The group cited a confluence of positive events in early 2018 that won’t be repeated indefinitely: the passage of a major tax bill in December 2017, a 13 percent bump in discretionary spending in the latest federal appropriations bill, and accelerated purchases of goods in advance of threatened Trump administration tariffs, notably soybeans.

The pro-business Tax Foundation also injected a note of caution, writing, "A short time period is not sufficient to make conclusions about long-term policy changes."

Growing at 3 percent for a full year is now in the realm of possibility for Trump, and if it happens, it would be an accomplishment. The last time the economy grew at 3 percent for an entire year was in 2005, when it grew at 3.3 percent. Read our more detailed explanation of why economists think 3 percent growth is unlikely over the long-term.

"The year before I came into office, private business investment grew at only 1.8 percent. Last year, it jumped to 6.3 percent. … This year, it's growing at 9.4 percent, so that's a very tremendous increase."
The math checks out. Between the last quarter of 2017 and the latest one, fixed investment went from $3.42 trillion to to $3.58 trillion. That’s a 4.7 percent increase for the first six months. If you assume that will continue, you can double it and you get 9 to 10 percent for the year.

However, it’s worth noting that the rise in the first quarter of 2018 was 11.5 percent and in the second it was 7.3 percent.

"It's definitely slowing down, but that was a pretty big leap in the first quarter," said Justin Fox, the editorial director of the Harvard Business Review.

Indeed Hiring Lab economist Nick Bunker cautioned that these numbers will change as the data is refined and republished in subsequent months.

"You don't want to get too nitpicky with the data, especially a first release," Bunker said. "This will get revised a few times and there are margins of errors and so forth."

"We had lost almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs under the previous administration. … Since I was elected, we've added 400,000 new manufacturing jobs."
The math is roughly right, but it needs context. Manufacturing jobs did decline by 192,000 under Obama, and since Trump’s election, they have increased by 373,000.

However, Obama’s numbers look particularly bad because he took office as the Great Recession was in full force — a situation Trump, in his short tenure, has avoided.

Once manufacturing jobs hit rock bottom in February 2010, they increased by 916,000 by the time Obama left office.

The chart below shows that manufacturing employment did weaken slightly during the final three years of Obama’s tenure and began to increase early in Trump’s. So it’s not unreasonable for Trump to cite an uptick on his watch.

That said, the rate of increase has been fairly stable since around 2010, regardless of the president in office.

"We have added 3.7 million new jobs since the election, a number that is unthinkable if you go back to the campaign."
Trump’s number is in the ballpark. If you use November 2016 as the baseline, almost 3.5 million jobs have been added through June 2018.

This is a notable achievement, especially at the end of a long economic recovery -- the longer a recovery goes, the harder it is to keep up high rates of job growth.

That said, "unthinkable" is the wrong word to use. The scale of monthly job gains under Trump are broadly in line with the scale of monthly job gains under Obama.

"We are in the midst of the longest positive job growth streak in history."
That’s correct. But a large majority of that job growth streak came on Obama’s watch.

"We've accomplished an economic turnaround of historic proportions."
There’s little question that the economy is in good health right now. But Trump is off-base when he suggests that this required a "turnaround." During the second half, or more, of Obama’s term, the economy was doing well, too.

The data on job creation and GDP growth are clear evidence of that. Trends in the unemployment rate, the housing market, bankruptcies and bank failures also showed significant improvement throughout the Obama years.

"Women unemployment rate recently reached the lowest level in 65 years."
The current level is 3.7 percent. That’s certainly low by historical standards, but it was as low or lower than that for most of the time between August 1999 and April 2001.

"Consumer confidence has reached historic highs."
Consumer confidence is high at the moment, but it’s not at a record. The Conference Board’s Consumer confidence index was higher in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
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There was no invitation to send me a collection of Fake News reporters' whining. It's clear you don't have a single Trump lie, so you've taken to bawling. I could cancel out all the above by undoing the exaggeration, stupid assumptions, mischievous misquotes and wrongminded thinking, but this thread isn't about that. It's about finding ONE Trump lie. The Left say that Trump lies incessantly, constantly; that he has lied THOUSANDS of times since coming to office. As you can see, Lefties have tried hard to supply a lie and have failed. All they have now is ad hominem and whining. In your case you've thrown a dump truck of whining at me, which I merely re-directed to the very large and growing dump, with its mountain of Left Winged Fake Trump Allegations. Now go away and find a lie little troll, so we can take it apart and see why it's not a lie at all. Go on, scat.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
It's about finding ONE Trump lie.
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"Thousands and thousands ... I saw it, it was on TV."

As I recall, you showed that this wasn't a lie by pointing out that Trump doesn't tell lies, so he must have seen it on TV. Therefore, er, he was telling the truth.

Oh yeah, and the liberals destroyed all the evidence.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Saw it, and like I say, he was expressing an opinion about a newspaper article, which is exactly what you are doing right now. Are you lying? If you can isolate the lie you say is there, during his conversation, then copy and paste it here. What's the matter? Too scared? Are you going to bawl, "I gave it to you, I gave it to you," and suck your thumb? Just place it here for all to see - come on, show some courage.
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Still polishing Trump turds eh?
 
seeker said:
"Thousands and thousands ... I saw it, it was on TV."

As I recall, you showed that this wasn't a lie by pointing out that Trump doesn't tell lies, so he must have seen it on TV. Therefore, er, he was telling the truth.

Oh yeah, and the liberals destroyed all the evidence.
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Lying about my responses doesn't improve you're already screwed up reputation for getting things wrong and failing to find one Trump lie.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
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Yeah, here's another one:
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DONALD TRUMP
"When I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years (when) wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people."
— PolitiFact National on Friday, March 9th, 2018
FALSE
Meetings, bipartisan bills suggest otherwise

DONALD TRUMP
"Democrats are nowhere to be found on DACA."
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, March 7th, 2018
FALSE
Armed guard present

DONALD TRUMP
"You take Pulse nightclub. If you had one person in that room that could carry a gun and knew how to use it, it wouldn’t have happened, or certainly to the extent that it did."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, March 1st, 2018
FALSE
Must be vetted, meet education or work requirements

DONALD TRUMP
The immigration visa lottery "randomly hands out green cards without any regard for skill, merit, or the safety of American people."
— PolitiFact National on Tuesday, January 30th, 2018
FALSE
Repeating claim doesn't make it true

DONALD TRUMP
"We enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history."
— PolitiFact National on Tuesday, January 30th, 2018
FALSE
No backup for this claim

DONALD TRUMP
Says "22 to 24 people" came into the United States due to family connection with suspect in the October 2017 New York City terror attack.
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, January 24th, 2018
FALSE
Access denied?

DONALD TRUMP
"I authorized Zero access to White House (actually turned him down many times) for author of phony book! I never spoke to him for book."
— PolitiFact National on Friday, January 5th, 2018
FALSE
Wrong before, wrong now

DONALD TRUMP
There is "substantial evidence of voter fraud."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, January 4th, 2018
FALSE
It was actually 21 years

DONALD TRUMP
The Senate seat won in a special election by a Democrat had been "held for more than thirty years by Republicans."
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, January 3rd, 2018
FALSE
Feinstein said collusion is "open question"

DONALD TRUMP
Said Dianne Feinstein said "there is no collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russia.
— PolitiFact California on Tuesday, January 2nd, 2018
FALSE
He ranks last, actually

DONALD TRUMP
"We have signed more legislation than anybody. We broke the record of Harry Truman."
— PolitiFact National on Friday, December 29th, 2017
FALSE
Wrong on both counts

DONALD TRUMP
"We essentially repealed Obamacare because we got rid of the individual mandate ... and that was a primary source of funding of Obamacare."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, December 21st, 2017
FALSE
Not on the list

DONALD TRUMP
Missouri is one of "13 states this year have seen unemployment drop to the lowest levels in the history of their state."
— PolitiFact Missouri on Friday, December 15th, 2017
FALSE
It's fallen almost yearly since 2004

DONALD TRUMP
"Black homeownership just hit the highest level it has ever been in the history of our country."
— PolitiFact National on Monday, December 11th, 2017
FALSE
Comey said she didn't lie

DONALD TRUMP
"Hillary Clinton lied many times to the FBI."
— PolitiFact National on Tuesday, December 5th, 2017
FALSE
He stands to gain. A lot

DONALD TRUMP
Says the tax bill "is going to cost me a fortune, this thing -- believe me. Believe me, this is not good for me."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, November 30th, 2017
FALSE
May be as low as 8th

DONALD TRUMP
Says the GOP plan he supports is "the biggest tax cut in U.S. history."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, October 26th, 2017
FALSE
Except for the billions lost on the exchanges
Donald Trump
DONALD TRUMP
Insurance companies "have made a fortune with Obamacare."
— PolitiFact National on Monday, October 23rd, 2017
FALSE
A mental block?
Donald Trump
DONALD TRUMP
"We're the highest developed nation taxed in the world."
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, October 18th, 2017
FALSE
Little link between the two
Donald Trump
DONALD TRUMP
The Obama administration "borrowed more than $10 trillion, right? And yet, we picked up $5.2 trillion just in the stock market. ... Maybe in a sense we’re reducing debt."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, October 12th, 2017
 
DONALD TRUMP
"Bob Corker gave us the Iran Deal."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, October 12th, 2017
False
Let's count the ways

DONALD TRUMP
Says "No, I don't benefit, I don't benefit" from his tax proposal.
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, September 28th, 2017
False
Blame shifting

DONALD TRUMP
"We have one senator who’s a ‘yes’ vote ... but he’s in the hospital. And he’s a ‘yes’ vote. So we can’t do it by Friday. So we have the votes" to pass a health care bill.
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, September 28th, 2017
False
Not backed by Border Patrol data

DONALD TRUMP
"We stopped traffic coming through -- 78 percent."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, August 31st, 2017
False
Many ways to read claim; always wrong

DONALD TRUMP
"We have become an energy exporter for the first time ever just recently."
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, August 23rd, 2017
False
Thousands of people protesting

DONALD TRUMP
"There aren't too many people outside protesting" his speech at the Phoenix Convention Center.
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, August 23rd, 2017
False
They've been rising for at least 3 years

DONALD TRUMP
Wages "haven’t gone up for a long time."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, August 17th, 2017
False
Modernization will take decades

DONALD TRUMP
"My first order as president was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before."
— PolitiFact National on Wednesday, August 9th, 2017
False
Off by trillions

DONALD TRUMP
Untaxed corporate earnings used to be "$2.5 trillion … I guess it’s $5 trillion now. Whatever it is, it’s a lot more. So we have anywhere from 4 (trillion) to 5 or even more trillions of dollars sitting offshore."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, August 3rd, 2017
False
Apprehensions have gone down before

DONALD TRUMP
"The border is down 78 percent. Under past administrations, the border didn’t go down -- it went up."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, August 3rd, 2017
False
Not historic or achieved

DONALD TRUMP
"We've achieved a historic increase in defense spending to get our troops the support they so richly deserve."
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, July 27th, 2017
False
Ignores history

DONALD TRUMP
During the Nixon Watergate investigation, "out of courtesy, the FBI started reporting to the Department of Justice. But there was nothing official."
— PolitiFact National on Friday, July 21st, 2017
False
Several modern presidents have signed more

DONALD TRUMP
"We’ve signed more bills -- and I’m talking about through the legislature -- than any president ever."
— PolitiFact Wisconsin on Thursday, July 20th, 2017
False
Historic low

DONALD TRUMP
Says his job approval poll numbers are "not bad" relative to other presidents at this point in his presidency.
— PolitiFact National on Monday, July 17th, 2017
False
Podesta didn't work for the DNC

DONALD TRUMP
Says John Podesta "refused to give the DNC server to the FBI and the CIA. Disgraceful!"
— PolitiFact National on Tuesday, July 11th, 2017
False
Not exactly

DONALD TRUMP
"We're pretty much at the 50 percent mark" on deportations of MS-13 gang members.
— PolitiFact National on Friday, June 30th, 2017
False
Deal compels nothing from either country

DONALD TRUMP
"China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this (Paris) agreement."
— PolitiFact National on Monday, June 5th, 2017
False
Alarming misread

DONALD TRUMP
"At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’ "
— PolitiFact National on Sunday, June 4th, 2017
False
Claim is basically puffery

DONALD TRUMP
Deals struck on his first foreign trip as president made and saved "millions of jobs."
— PolitiFact National on Friday, May 26th, 2017
False
Obamacare kickback? No

DONALD TRUMP
"Dems want billions to go to Insurance Companies to bail out donors"
— PolitiFact National on Thursday, May 4th, 2017
False
 
As per the opening post, I require just one alleged lie at a time. If anyone provides a Gish Gallop, I’ll address the first alleged lie on their list. DonaldvoTrumpovich provided a Gish Gallop, and this is the first alleged lie on that list:

DonaldvoTrumpovich said:
DONALD TRUMP
"When I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years (when) wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people."
— PolitiFact National on Friday, March 9th, 2018
FALSE
Meetings, bipartisan bills suggest otherwise
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Here’s Politifake link you couldn’t find.

This Politifake article was written by “Louis Jacobson”. Politifake like to waffle about a particular Trump statement before summing up their decision under the heading “Our ruling”. Here is what they said in “Our ruling” on the above page:

Trump said, "When I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years (when) wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people."

Wage growth during the two-decade period Trump is referencing was modest, even sluggish, but wages didn’t go down over that period, even accounting for inflation. As for wages finally going up now, they rose for almost three years before Trump took office, so it’s not credible for him to imply that he deserves credit.

We rate the statement False.​

So let’s see how they faked this up. Trump held a cabinet meeting at the White House, March 8, 2018. The YouTube is at the bottom of this page. View the video from 00:00:42 - 00:03:00 for the following transcript. Red shows the part Politifake used. Bold red shows the words they ignored. Bold black shows the important parts they left out:

I'm pleased to report that our very massive tax cuts are continuing to show tremendous results. Ninety percent of American workers are already seeing bigger paychecks, and that number's actually going to go up. Almost 4.6 million people have received tax-cut bonuses. Wages are rising at the fastest pace in more than a decade, something that people have been waiting for, as you know,when I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years, and wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people.We've created almost 3 million new jobs since the election. And unemployment claims are at the lowest level in 49 years. Think of that. Unemployment at the lowest level in 49 years. That's a beautiful statistic… And I'm very pleased to announce that the unemployment rate for women in our workforce is at an 18-year low, lowest it's been in 18 years. And we're very close to the all-time record...​

As you can see, they didn’t talk about “fastest pace” or “effectively” or “they’re starting”. They cut the words, “Wages are rising at the fastest pace in more than a decade, something that people have been waiting for, as you know…” from the sentence, used a capital ‘W’ to make a new sentence, and replaced ‘and’ with ‘when’. They didn’t mention any of the other points made in that paragraph, thus taking the bit they used out of context. Here’s how the reporter, Louis Jacobson, mischievously edited the piece:


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Conclusion: Mischievous reporting, misinformation. Fake News.

No lie.​


So who is this Louis Jacobson, the guy that works for Politifake cooking up Fake News all day?

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He’s a freelance arts reviewer for washingtoncitypaper dot com, though they don’t list him as staff. He is a “fact checker” for Politifake. He likes his art, his food, and his Obama cardboard cut-out. But most of all he hates Trump. Yippee!

View video from 00:00:42 - 00:03:00

 
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