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Rana said:
Oh, okay, now you are limiting it to solely to do no wrong, when that was not my only point.
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Your claim was that 'exceptionalism' now means that we pretend we are number one at everything and are superior to everyone. That did not happen under Bush.
 
Rana said:
Didn't God tell him to end the tyranny in Iraq?
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We are discussing 'exceptionalism'... yet you continue to toss in other things and pretend that is what we are discussing. I could care less about Bush or God or Bush talking to God. It has nothing to do with exceptionalism.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea well the news may be slow in getting out there to the Appalachia of the Pacific Coast but the Revolutionary war ended 200 years ago. There's a real world out there and as much as you'd like to we can't build a wall around Amiruka to keep those pesky foreigners out cause they scare you. Time to deal with it.
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I would think you would have run out of straw by now.
 
cawacko said:
Yo! My drunk ass just got home from Game One of the World Series. Yes my City beat the best pitcher on the planet. So I appreciate you standing up for America and shielding it from all the haters like Superfreak. That dude hates America.
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So it took the entire city to beat one guy from Detroit??? That actually sounds about right.
 
Rana said:
Dixie, do you feel that Bush allowed the original 9/11 to happen? This is the same type of thinking that you are using to blame Obama. I think it hilarious. You did not scrutinize the lead up and follow up of Bush administration as much as you are the Libya incident.
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You are so right, same with Iraq. Every time we criticized those decisions righties said that bush got faulty intel and it wasn't his fault. I guess the faulty intel excuse only goes one way.
 
christiefan915 said:
You are so right, same with Iraq. Every time we criticized those decisions righties said that bush got faulty intel and it wasn't his fault. I guess the faulty intel excuse only goes one way.
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Actually, the two are not the same. No one is faulting Obama for bad intel prior to the attacks. No one is blaming Obama for the attacks happening. His admin does have explaining to do with regards to the requests via the State Dept for increased security.

What this does compare to is how Bush RESPONDED to 9/11 vs. how Obama responded. How many of you mocked Bush for the seven minutes? Yet hours after the attack had begun... our military in Sicily was still on the ground... rather than on the way to help. They probably could not have prevented the deaths, but the teams could have secured the embassy and gone after the attackers immediately. Instead... they sat on the ground.

As for the comments after the fact, it is abundantly clear that several members of the admin wanted to blame the video, rather than policy. Had they come out and said, 'we are not sure yet, it could have been the video, it could have been something else' I don't think you would have seen the criticism.
 
Superfreak said:
Your claim was that 'exceptionalism' now means that we pretend we are number one at everything and are superior to everyone. That did not happen under Bush.
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I must have been in a totally different country, but I was not believing the bs because I did not support the war in Iraq from day one.

The attitude towards the French. The attitude towards those who did not agree with this administration Them telling us that we are the greatest nation on Earth. People do not agree with us deserve our scorn.

I think you have forgotten that whole time frame, the beating of the war drum, the whole lead up to the war. Then the reassurance to the Merican people how staying in Iraq was a good idea. Telling us all the time that we are #1, that we are guided by God and that we do no wrong in our wrong policies.

I have seen American exceptionalism many times in my lifetime. It is bundled up and sold as Patriotism.
 
Superfreak said:
We are discussing 'exceptionalism'... yet you continue to toss in other things and pretend that is what we are discussing. I could care less about Bush or God or Bush talking to God. It has nothing to do with exceptionalism.
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Saying your action are of God is a part of exceptionalism.
 
Superfreak said:
Um incorrect. He was referring to how Obama responded AFTER the attack. You know, you liberals made fun of the few minutes Bush sat there after the towers were hit... yet when hours go by after this attack and Obama does nothing to support the embassy personnel... not a peep.
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Are you kidding? That's apples and oranges.
 
Rana said:
I must have been in a totally different country, but I was not believing the bs because I did not support the war in Iraq from day one.

The attitude towards the French. The attitude towards those who did not agree with this administration Them telling us that we are the greatest nation on Earth. People do not agree with us deserve our scorn.

I think you have forgotten that whole time frame, the beating of the war drum, the whole lead up to the war. Then the reassurance to the Merican people how staying in Iraq was a good idea. Telling us all the time that we are #1, that we are guided by God and that we do no wrong in our wrong policies.

I have seen American exceptionalism many times in my lifetime. It is bundled up and sold as Patriotism.
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perhaps I have forgotten... can you link me up to examples of what you are referring to?
 
Rana said:
My country is the best at everything, my country, can do no wrong. Exceptionalism is believing your country is #1 in all areas and that it is superior to other nations in all regards. They do not look at statistics and believe we are falling behind in medicine, education, and production. We may have good work ethics, but so does Germany, Japan and many other nations. They do not believe that our immigrants are the ones who drive innovation and new business. Exceptionalism see all our policies as advancing Democracy, and that a just so not the case. It is the belief that my country is never wrong, even when it is very Wrong.
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I agree 100%. In today's terms I'd call it hubris.
 
Rana said:
I must have been in a totally different country, but I was not believing the bs because I did not support the war in Iraq from day one.

The attitude towards the French. The attitude towards those who did not agree with this administration Them telling us that we are the greatest nation on Earth. People do not agree with us deserve our scorn.

I think you have forgotten that whole time frame, the beating of the war drum, the whole lead up to the war. Then the reassurance to the Merican people how staying in Iraq was a good idea. Telling us all the time that we are #1, that we are guided by God and that we do no wrong in our wrong policies.

I have seen American exceptionalism many times in my lifetime. It is bundled up and sold as Patriotism.
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If he had been with us on the old AOL boards, he would have seen the worst of those pushing exceptionalism. They all came out of the woodwork after 9/11.
 
christiefan915 said:
If he had been with us on the old AOL boards, he would have seen the worst of those pushing exceptionalism. They all came out of the woodwork after 9/11.
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Yes, it was really something. We were traitors, we didn't know anything, we were unAmerican. We needed to move to France with those ungrateful people. We were unPatriotic, we hated the troops. We heard it all.
 
Rana said:
Yes, it was really something. We were traitors, we didn't know anything, we were unAmerican. We needed to move to France with those ungrateful people. We were unPatriotic, we hated the troops. We heard it all.
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Oh no! Please don't move to France! Please DO stay here and continue trying to destroy America and turn it into a Eurotrash Socialist nation! We certainly don't want YOU to leave! America really needs MORE of you Socialist fucktards to keep pushing for and advocating Marxist Socialist policies, because that is the ONLY way we're ever going to be a great nation again. Our problems can't ever be solved in bipartisan fashion with reasonable people, it takes radical extremists like YOU to fix things! We NEED YOU to tell us how sorry we are, and what a terrible nation we've been, and to foment hate for who we are, because it's through that realization we will become a footnote in history and doormats to the rest of the world, which we so richly deserve.

//sarcasm
 
Rana said:
Amen. We live in a time when we can not be isolationists as you have pointed out.
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And why, pray tell, can we not? Must we involve ourselves in the concerns of other nations, violating their inherent right to sovereignty? You certainly wouldn't like the Canadians violating the Alaskan border with impunity because they feel that they must involve themselves in something isn't any of their goddamned business.

As the great statesman Jefferson said, trade with all, alliance with none.
 
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