Science Denial Runs Red and Blue

Liberals are NOT believing lies at the rate the right is


the right in this nation is now bathed in lies daily
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I think this is a good way of discussing the dangers of politicizing science. Certainly when the discussion of science denial is brought up it is used pejoratively to accuse conservatives of denying scientific consensus. Teaching evolutionary theory and climate change are probably the big two hot button topic that most are familiar with.

However my readings on many posters in political message boards and listening and reading political polemicist I've found that science denial often has more to do with a person being, not well informed on science or how to evaluate scientific data is or understanding what a scientific consensus is (it's not a popularity contest, that's for sure). I've also found that it has a lot to do with a persons personal politics being ideologically driven. In that respect I find liberals just as guilty of science denial as conservatives are about evolution, astronomy, climate change, gun violence, etc,.

Don't believe me? Talk to a liberal ideologues about vaccinations, gender, GMO Food safety, the evolutionary basis of social behavior, etc,.

Take Gender identity issues. The social theories on gender identity are simply not supported by science. Both sex and gender are binary. That's an established scientific fact which has scientific consensus. GMO Food Safety - The vast majority of peer reviewed literature and most relevant scientific associations have concluded that GMO Foods are safe. The same is true with vaccinations. The scientific consensus is that the benefits of vaccinations far out weigh the risk. Yet many liberals are hostile to these scientific consensus.

This is why as a person educated and trained in science why I'm careful about politicizing science. Often when that happens the facts and the consequences of those facts are relegated to secondary status to what is either politically popular or politically expedient.
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Gender is most assuredly not binary, nor has science established that as a fact with consensus.

If you don't know what you're talking about, and aren't actually trained in science, why bother lying about what you don't understand?
 
CharacterAssassin said:
Gender is most assuredly not binary, nor has science established that as a fact with consensus.

If you don't know what you're talking about, and aren't actually trained in science, why bother lying about what you don't understand?
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Because I have a Masters degree in Human Biology and probably understand the topic far better than you ever will. Certainly far better than anyone arguing from a social science perspective does.

For the vast majority of people you cannot get around the inescapable fact that sex is binary. My challenge to that remains unanswered too. That is, provide me the facts, without misrepresenting them, that for the overwhelming majority of people sex isn't binary.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because I have a Masters degree in Human Biology and probably understand the topic far better than you ever will. Certainly far better than anyone arguing from a social science perspective does.
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Utterly irrelevant to the lie you told, child. Pity you can't back up your specious claim. Sex and gender are two different things. You're just too dumb to know.
For the vast majority of people you cannot get around the inescapable fact that sex is binary. My challenge to that remains unanswered too. That is, provide me the facts, without misrepresenting them, that for the overwhelming majority of people sex isn't binary.
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Except, of course, for the pesky little issue that I was addressing gender, not sex.

Please lie less and be less stupid. It might help if you actually took a since class one day.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because I have a Masters degree in Human Biology and probably understand the topic far better than you ever will. Certainly far better than anyone arguing from a social science perspective does.

For the vast majority of people you cannot get around the inescapable fact that sex is binary. My challenge to that remains unanswered too. That is, provide me the facts, without misrepresenting them, that for the overwhelming majority of people sex isn't binary.
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but the part I believe you got wrong Mott is that who is supporting what



transgender is a real thing


sexual identity is a real thing


actual humans experience it whether the science has figured it out entirely or not



these science deniers are not all liberals


that is your mistake
 
Cypress said:
From an obscure and anonymous message board poster:

gfm7174: "There is no no such thing as a "scientific consensus"... A consensus is NOT science!"


From the nation's foremost prestigious science organization:

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences: We seek, facilitate, and publish scientific consensus reports
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The NAS is not science. It is a political organization.
 
Cypress said:
From an obscure and anonymous message board poster:

gfm7174: "There is no no such thing as a "scientific consensus"... A consensus is NOT science!"


From the nation's foremost prestigious science organization:

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences: We seek, facilitate, and publish scientific consensus reports
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moderates often seek to see each end of the spectrum they sit in the middle of as equal to each other



The facts are NOT AUTOMATTICALLY IN THE MIDDLE



Mott is making the mistake that moderates have for ever



that the middle is where the facts are



that is and never has been the truth



the facts are the facts


they have no political position



he made the common mistake of assuming both sides are equally fact adverse



liberals in fact have always embraced science and have ended up being correct in hindsight all my life at least


Its NOT the liberals who are doing this science denial


he is mistaken
 
evince said:
transgender is a real thing
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No, it's not. The only way to even attempt to change your sex is to mutilate yourself. Even that doesn't change your sex.
evince said:
sexual identity is a real thing
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No, it's psychoquackery, created by the liberals.
evince said:
actual humans experience it whether the science has figured it out entirely or not
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I'm unconvinced. Science is not one thing. It doesn't 'figure out' anything. It doesn't have a single opinion.
evince said:
these science deniers are not all liberals
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Of course, this is a liberal saying this, but....well....
evince said:
that is your mistake
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I don't think he's made any real mistakes.
 
evince said:
moderates often seek to see each end of the spectrum they sit in the middle of as equal to each other



The facts are NOT AUTOMATTICALLY IN THE MIDDLE



Mott is making the mistake that moderates have for ever



that the middle is where the facts are



that is and never has been the truth



the facts are the facts


they have no political position



he made the common mistake of assuming both sides are equally fact adverse



liberals in fact have always embraced science and have ended up being correct in hindsight all my life at least


Its NOT the liberals who are doing this science denial


he is mistaken
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Yeah, it IS the liberals who tend to deny science. No matter how much you, as a liberal, want to claim otherwise, you can't wash your hands of this.
 
Into the Night said:
Yeah, it IS the liberals who tend to deny science. No matter how much you, as a liberal, want to claim otherwise, you can't wash your hands of this.
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Fun to see a scientifically illiterate tool like you spaz-out and babble nonsense like that.

You wouldn't know science if it were spitting in your face. Which it does every time you try and reference it.
 
Again


the left is NOT promoting these ideas


trying to pretend that is the case is insane and contrary to the facts
 
Its what the right tries to pretend is true



they have done the same thing with their election cheating


they get caught by the courts


get convicted of it


get punished for it



AND WHAT DO THEY SAY WHEN YOU CHATISE THEM FOR IT?


Oh both parties cheat



NO THEY DONT
 
evince said:
you are an idiot dupe
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Insult Fallacy.

evince said:
what you "think" is meaningless to the rest of the world
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Don't take it from me... Take it from philosophy, which defines what science is and the reasoning behind that definition.

evince said:
you are not king
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Correct.

evince said:
Oh and by the way science has PROVEN the connection between GW and mankinds actions
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No, it hasn't. Science is incapable of proof. It is an open functional system. It must turn to a closed functional system such as mathematics to gain that power.

evince said:
and the evolution thing?

denying that is like saying you don't believe the world has an atmosphere
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Faulty Comparison. Evolution is a religion. We don't have a time machine to go back in time to see if that's what really happened or not. Science has no theories about past unobserved events.

evince said:
suck that putin cock

its the only thing you are good at
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Crudeness dismissed on sight.
 
Cypress said:
From an obscure and anonymous message board poster:

gfm7174: "There is no no such thing as a "scientific consensus"... A consensus is NOT science!"


From the nation's foremost prestigious science organization:

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences: We seek, facilitate, and publish scientific consensus reports
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Bulverism Fallacy. False Authority Fallacy.

The U.S. National Academy of Sciences does not define what science is.
 
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