Obamanomics in action....what a leader....

bravo said:
Impeachment comes to mind....:good4u:
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On what grounds...if Pelosi is supporting his raising the debt ceiling by using the 14th amendment, must mean that it is a legitimate tool of the presidency, seeing she didn't fail Government 101 as you must have.
 
bravo said:
Impeachment comes to mind....:good4u:
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To paraphrase Georgie, " Bring it on!"

Impeaching the President for following the Constitution? Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4. "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
 
apple0154 said:
To paraphrase Georgie, " Bring it on!"

Impeaching the President for following the Constitution? Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4. "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
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authorized by law ?.....so you think the President is "authorized" to create law ?....

Did you ever hear of the Congress (the legislatures)....do you know what legislate means...?
 
bravo said:
authorized by law ?.....so you think the President is "authorized" to create law ?....

Did you ever hear of the Congress (the legislatures)....do you know what legislate means...?
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Better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. LOL
 
bravo said:
authorized by law ?.....so you think the President is "authorized" to create law ?....

Did you ever hear of the Congress (the legislatures)....do you know what legislate means...?
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The debts were authorized prior to today. Congress authorized the debts, over the years. Congress authorized the payment of the debts and now it's time to pay them and the Amendment makes it perfectly clear that paying them "shall not be questioned".

What's not clear?
 
apple0154 said:
The debts were authorized prior to today. Congress authorized the debts, over the years. Congress authorized the payment of the debts and now it's time to pay them and the Amendment makes it perfectly clear that paying them "shall not be questioned".

What's not clear?
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Everything...when you're in a drug-induced fog.
 
tinfoil said:
with some luck, Obama can serve his term and Bush can still get blamed for everything.

Democrats are NEVER to blame
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Oh, yes they are. They are to blame for signing on to the Republican's Mess Machine. I say if Republicans can take the hard line and resist any compromise, so can the Dems. Let's see who 'caves" first. The Republicans are already in disarray behind the batshit crazy Tea Party. They won't see no parts of the White House for another 12 years.
 
bravo said:
Betcha pinheads can't wait to re-elect their chief pinhead....

Boston Scientific Corp. said yesterday that it plans to eliminate 1,200 to 1,400 jobs worldwide during the next 2 1/2 years to free money for new investments, the Natick medical device maker’s second major round of cuts since last year.

The company would not say how many jobs will be lost in Massachusetts, where fewer than 2,000 of its 25,000 employees are based. In February 2010, Boston Scientific said it would pare 1,300 jobs worldwide, but similarly did not say where.

Yesterday’s move, a day after Boston Scientific disclosed it was investing $150 million and hiring 1,000 people in China, raised fears that the company will gradually shift more work to foreign sites with less government oversight and lower costs than the United States.

http://www.boston.com/business/heal...07/29/boston_scientific_to_lay_off_1200_plus/



WASHINGTON—The transformative health-care bill is slated for President Barack Obama's signature this week in the culmination of efforts by generations of Democrats to achieve near-universal health coverage.

The focus now shifts to the Senate, which will take up a companion bill as early as Tuesday.

The landmark health-care bill is slated for President Obama's signature as focus moves to the Senate. But as WSJ's Peter Landers tells Simon Constable on the News Hub, the road to its completion is a bumpy one.

The House gave final passage Sunday to the Senate's health legislation in a 219-to-212 vote, as Democrats muscled the measure through on the strength of the party's big majority. In the final roll call, no House Republican voted for the bill, and 34 Democrats voted no, many of them representing Republican-leaning districts.

A short while later, the House, voting 220 to 211, approved a companion bill making changes to the Senate bill, a measure necessary to attract support in the House. All Republicans voted against the companion bill, as did 33 Democrats.


No doubt, Bush will get the blame for the loss of jobs.....hahaha...
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The company would not say how many jobs will be lost in Massachusetts, where fewer than 2,000 of its 25,000 employees are based.

Did the company JUST change their domestic/foreign jobs mix pinhead? OR, has this company outsourced jobs well before Obama was elected? AND, the Affordable Healthcare Act has not even been implemented, so how could legislation THAT DIDN'T EXIST affect this company's domestic/foreign jobs mix pinhead?
 
apple0154 said:
The debts were authorized prior to today. Congress authorized the debts, over the years. Congress authorized the payment of the debts and now it's time to pay them and the Amendment makes it perfectly clear that paying them "shall not be questioned".

What's not clear?
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And pay them we shall, but it won't be with borrowed money authorized by Obama, unless its first authorized by Congress....

And you can take that to the bank.....
 
poet said:
On what grounds...if Pelosi is supporting his raising the debt ceiling by using the 14th amendment, must mean that it is a legitimate tool of the presidency, seeing she didn't fail Government 101 as you must have.
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According to Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution only Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. The 14th Amendment only states that the debt, once incurred, is real.

In this case it would make it so that Obama, no matter how much he wants to, cannot simply "not pay" the interest on the debt when he has the money (which we do). He'd have to choose other less constitutionally limited bills that he would then "not pay"... He could not, however, constitutionally raise any debt unilaterally. It is not within his power to do so. Even if Pelosi wants to give him that power.

Maybe you should have paid attention during the reading of the Constitution earlier this year, and apparently Pelosi should have as well.
 
Damocles said:
According to Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution only Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. The 14th Amendment only states that the debt, once incurred, is real.

In this case it would make it so that Obama, no matter how much he wants to, cannot simply "not pay" the interest on the debt when he has the money (which we do). He'd have to choose other less constitutionally limited bills that he would then "not pay"... He could not, however, constitutionally raise any debt unilaterally. It is not within his power to do so. Even if Pelosi wants to give him that power.

Maybe you should have paid attention during the reading of the Constitution earlier this year, and apparently Pelosi should have as well.
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You're confused. However, that comes as no surprise. Denial and fantasy should never be mistaken for reality.
 
Damocles said:
According to Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution only Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States. The 14th Amendment only states that the debt, once incurred, is real.

In this case it would make it so that Obama, no matter how much he wants to, cannot simply "not pay" the interest on the debt when he has the money (which we do). He'd have to choose other less constitutionally limited bills that he would then "not pay"... He could not, however, constitutionally raise any debt unilaterally. It is not within his power to do so. Even if Pelosi wants to give him that power.

Maybe you should have paid attention during the reading of the Constitution earlier this year, and apparently Pelosi should have as well.
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When has the Constitution stopped presidents from "going rogue" and doing whatever they want anyway?
 
poet said:
You're confused. However, that comes as no surprise. Denial and fantasy should never be mistaken for reality.
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No, Damo's right as to what the Constitution says. But that document has simply been ignored in the past, and undoubtedly will be ignored again and again. This should make you, as a liberal, happy, as allows the federal government to "progress" virtually unheeded.
 
poet said:
You're confused. However, that comes as no surprise. Denial and fantasy should never be mistaken for reality.
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No, I'm very clear. The constitution limits the power to raise the debt to the Congress, the 14th Amendment clearly states that the debt applies, that we can't just "default" on the debt. There is nothing in the amendment that says that the President has any power to create debt against the Credit of the United states.
 
apple0154 said:
To paraphrase Georgie, " Bring it on!"

Impeaching the President for following the Constitution? Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4. "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
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Raising the debt ceiling is so the government can spend MORE money. Not so they can pay off dedt. More than enough money to pay debts coming into the treasury every day. Obama and the democrats are the only ones suggesting that we might CHOOSE to not pay off our debts.
 
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