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Havana Moon said:
Moonshite has done a moonlight flit, can't blame the bugger he's suffered enough humiliation to last a lifetime.

Brexit LIVE: Panic stations! Remainers dealt huge blow over Boris block - ‘Not unlawful!'

REMAINERS are scrambling to prevent Boris Johnson from proroguing Parliament and implementing a no deal Brexit.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...xit-latest-prorogue-suspend-parliament-remain
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Oh happy days. Remember when Moonshite confidently predicted that BoJo wouldn't be able to prorogue Parliament, well the twat was wrong as per usual!!
 
Havana Moon said:
Oh happy days. Remember when Moonshite confidently predicted that BoJo wouldn't be able to prorogue Parliament, well the twat was wrong as per usual!!
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Silly fucker. The legal challenges have just begun.

Don't forget, maggot- if Brexit crashes you've pledged to fuck off. You'll be held to it, you squirming welcher.
 
You're looking a tad Third World, maggot- Unelected Separatists taking over the government, what ? Haw, haw..................................haw.

Parliament suspension: Thousands protest across the UK

Demonstrations are taking place across the UK against Boris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament in the run-up to Brexit.

Thousands of protesters have taken to the streets in cities including Manchester, Leeds, York and Belfast.

Parts of central London were brought to a standstill, with people chanting: "Boris Johnson, shame on you".

A small group of counter-protesters, marching in support of the prime minister, also arrived in Westminster.

Mr Johnson's plan to prorogue Parliament prompted an angry backlash from MPs and opponents of a no-deal Brexit when he announced it on Wednesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49534940
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Here is an exceedingly clear explanation of what's currently happening in the UK. Take your choice, listen to undiluted bullshit from the likes of proto-Marxist Moonshite or somebody who actually knows what's going on like Anna Bailey writing in this week's Spectator.

Has Boris Johnson done a Charles I and shut down Parliament indefinitely? The headlines this week might lead you to think so. ‘Uproar as Boris Johnson shuts down parliament to protect Brexit plan’, reported the FT. John Bercow called it ‘a constitutional outrage’. ‘It’s tantamount to a coup against Parliament,’ raged former attorney general Dominic Grieve. Nicola Sturgeon called it ‘a dictatorship’.

Yet the reality hardly lives up to the rhetoric. These are the facts: Parliament will return from summer recess on 3 September as planned. Parliament will not sit from mid-September to early October during the three-week party conference season – also as planned and as happens every year.

What has changed is that following the unusually long parliamentary session under Theresa May, Boris Johnson has decided to start his premiership with a new parliamentary session. This means the prorogation of Parliament and a Queen’s Speech to lay out his new legislative agenda, which will take place after the planned party conference recess. The Government’s line is that only three days of planned parliamentary time will be lost as a result of this plan, between 8 October and 10 October.

So does this loss of time for MPs to debate Brexit make the PM’s prorogation strategy unconstitutional?

It is clear that the prorogation of Parliament is in itself legal. As professors David Howarth and Catherine Barnard have made clear, “The only clear limits on the length of a prorogation are, first, a statute of 1694 requiring Parliament to be held at least once every three years, and second, the practical consideration that much of government spending and several important taxes are authorised one year at a time.”

Nor does the prorogation breach any written, non-statutory constitutional guidance. But does the prorogation breach constitutional norms? These are not easy to pin down, given that they are unwritten. They are also typically unspoken. Discussions of them typically only emerge at moments of crisis, which is when their interpretation is most prone to being contested.

Yet in this case, the constitutional norms are actually relatively clear cut. It is quite normal and uncontroversial for a Parliament to be divided up into several sessions, typically one a year. May’s epic session of nearly two-and-a-half years is very much the exception; a new session represents a return to constitutional normality. And a recess of a few days prior to the beginning of a new session is also the norm.

But there is one respect in which the prorogation is, in professor Bogdanor’s words, “abnormal” and which involves some sleight of hand on the Government’s part. The three-week break for conference season was to be a recess. Recesses are controlled by Parliament itself: it could shorten or cancel the planned recess if it wished. There has been no indication that there was any intention on the part of Parliament to cancel the planned conference season recess, but nevertheless it could have chosen to do so at any point. But by suspending Parliament “no earlier than Monday 9 September and no later than Thursday 12 September” until 14 October, the Government has removed that option from Parliament. Parliament will be prorogued for up to 34 days, which is indeed abnormal.

But does ‘abnormal’ equal ‘unconstitutional’? There is no clear-cut answer to this. Time spans are – somewhat obviously – a matter of degree rather than binary. Thirty-four days is not a long enough period to be considered a clear-cut breach of constitutional norms, but nor is it comfortably within them. The Government is taking advantage of the timing of conference season to justify dancing on the edge of acceptability.

The length and timing of the proroguing of Parliament has led to accusations this is a thinly-disguised attempt to try and prevent Parliament blocking a no-deal Brexit. The PM has said this isn’t the case. Only Johnson himself knows the truth. But the suspicion that he is doing it for this reason is understandable.

But when it comes to judging whether something is, or isn’t unconstitutional, motive doesn’t matter. The fact that an action is one of political expediency does not make it unconstitutional. After all, acts of political expediency take place all the time. A constitution that prevents all acts of political calculation cannot exist.

So it is clear that the prorogation is pretty much entirely constitutional. Only the length of the prorogation stretches the boundaries of constitutional norms, but without clearly overstepping them. And while Boris Johnson’s critics have reacted furiously to the plan, suggesting the PM has become dictatorial is well wide of the mark.

After all, Parliament still has ample opportunity to remove the Government by constitutional means. The Opposition can table a motion of no-confidence at any time that Parliament is sitting; it has a chance to do just this on Tuesday. It also retains the statutory right to form an alternative government from the existing Parliament. Prorogation does not change that. That’s a funny kind of dictatorship.

Dr Anna Bailey is an author at Briefings for Brexit
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Labour don’t look like a government in waiting. What they have shown is truly shameless opportunism taking more positions than the Kama Sutra on Brexit, totally bloody useless.
 
moon said:
You're looking a tad Third World
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Let me give you a little background, moon. Parliaments have been prorogued every year or so for about seven centuries. The issue here (if there is one) is the length of time.

Parliament would have been suspended anyway over the party conference season. Johnson's "coup" will deprive them of less than a week's extra waffling. In that time, I suppose, they might have solved the whole issue. What do you think?

"You have sat here too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" And a file of musketeers troops in.

That's how an English coup goes. :awesome:
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Let me give you a little background, moon. Parliaments have been prorogued every year or so for about seven centuries. The issue here (if there is one) is the length of time.

Parliament would have been suspended anyway over the party conference season. Johnson's "coup" will deprive them of less than a week's extra waffling. In that time, I suppose, they might have solved the whole issue. What do you think?

"You have sat here too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" And a file of musketeers troops in.

That's how an English coup goes. :awesome:
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See post 326.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Let me give you a little background, moon. Parliaments have been prorogued every year or so for about seven centuries. The issue here (if there is one) is the length of time.

Parliament would have been suspended anyway over the party conference season. Johnson's "coup" will deprive them of less than a week's extra waffling. In that time, I suppose, they might have solved the whole issue. What do you think?

"You have sat here too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" And a file of musketeers troops in.

That's how an English coup goes. :awesome:
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The Lord Protector had called that Parliament, whereas Boris the Turk has never been elected and is simply trying to force through the destruction of the UK to please his fat master and make us a poorer Puerto Rico.
 
Havana Moon said:
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Here is an exceedingly clear explanation of what's currently happening in the UK. Take your choice, listen to undiluted bullshit from the likes of proto-Marxist Moonshite or somebody who actually knows what's going on like Anna Bailey writing in this week's Spectator.
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We can see what's happening, maggot. Self-serving Separatists have staged a coup under an unelected figurehead who plans to shut down the UK parliament.
 
Penderyn said:
The Lord Protector had called that Parliament, whereas Boris the Turk has never been elected and is simply trying to force through the destruction of the UK to please his fat master
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That's the trouble with us Brexiteers: we're ignorant, easily duped, and don't understand what we voted for. ;)

However, I must dispute with you on this. The incident in question was the suppression of the Rump Parliament in April 1653 (this was the remnants of the Long Parliament called by the late King Charles). Cromwell didn't become Lord Protector until December 1653.

At this time Cromwell was technically a mere MP (a member of this very parliament!), but he had the Army behind him. It was a coup.

Otoh, Boris asking the Queen to prorogue the Waffling Parliament isn't a coup, and the President of the Divided Colonies has nothing to do with it. Okay?
 
It's ' Separatists '. ' Brexiteers ' is an attempt to add some romance to a bunch of scoundrels.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
That's the trouble with us Brexiteers: we're ignorant, easily duped, and don't understand what we voted for. ;)

However, I must dispute with you on this. The incident in question was the suppression of the Rump Parliament in April 1653 (this was the remnants of the Long Parliament called by the late King Charles). Cromwell didn't become Lord Protector until December 1653.

At this time Cromwell was technically a mere MP (a member of this very parliament!), but he had the Army behind him. It was a coup.

Otoh, Boris asking the Queen to prorogue the Waffling Parliament isn't a coup, and the President of the Divided Colonies has nothing to do with it. Okay?
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This will make you laugh, that odious turd McDonnell on the rack!!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...Labour-Corbyn-the-Queen-Speech-Sky-live-today
 
Brexit: After PM Boris Johnson’s Coup, what’s left of the British constitution?

The contemptuous ease with which the Johnson-Cummings regime has attempted to cripple parliamentary consideration of alternatives to a no-deal Brexit by proroguing Parliament raises further serious issues about the remaining value of the UK’s ‘unfixed constitution’. This controversy comes after a prolonged period in which the executive under May used every micro-institutional weapon to blackmail MPs into accepting its deal. Patrick Dunleavy argues that the UK has slipped into having a failed constitution, where core democratic institutions are contaminated by rigged micro-institutions. The control of power has become dominated by a bunch of executive tricks, and an uncodified ‘constitution’ no longer provides any predictable or worthwhile constraints on government action. Yet it may be only a small step from creating a failed constitution to becoming some version of a failed state.

BRITISH POLICY AND POLITICS
08/31/2019

https://www.juancole.com/2019/08/johnsons-british-constitution.html
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That's the world outside looking in.
 
moon said:
That's the world outside looking in.
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Outside what looking in? The author of that article, Patrick Dunleavy, is British.

I wonder what he thought in 1997 when the Prime Minister, John Major, had the longest prorogation of parliament since 1918. The motive was transparent: to "cripple parliamentary consideration" of the cash for questions scandal in the weeks before the 1997 general election. He did it with "contemptuous ease", too, but he still lost the election.

Now Major is one of those seeking legal action to stop Johnson's prorogation. Can you say hypocrite? Surely not! Major is a good hardcore Remainer. Anything he does must be justified, right?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Outside what looking in? The author of that article, Patrick Dunleavy, is British.

I wonder what he thought in 1997 when the Prime Minister, John Major, had the longest prorogation of parliament since 1918. The motive was transparent: to "cripple parliamentary consideration" of the cash for questions scandal in the weeks before the 1997 general election. He did it with "contemptuous ease", too, but he still lost the election.

Now Major is one of those seeking legal action to stop Johnson's prorogation. Can you say hypocrite? Surely not! Major is a good hardcore Remainer. Anything he does must be justified, right?
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Moonshite is way too stupid to understand, sad really !!
 
What if those smart people who know best succeed in "stopping a no deal Brexit", as they say - or in reality stopping Brexit.
What would be the result?

#1 Britain would remain in the EU as a low-status member on parole (and of course a worldwide laughing stock). I suppose Remainers would think that was worthwhile.

#2 The Tory Party would be sunk for a generation if not forever. I wouldn't be heartbroken, but I recognize that the country needs a responsible centre-right party. Instead I fear it would be a political freak show, with neo-Faragists (look what came out of the woodwork when Farage left UKIP), and worse.

#3 Many millions of people would give up on parliamentary democracy. They suspected it was all an elitist scam, and now they have proof. TPTB won, what a surprise. Now that would be a shame.
 
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