legislating from the bench in manifort case

Nomad said:
Word games and semantics are the purview of losers who have no argument to make. Ruling and sentencing are only different in a technical sense. It can accurately be said that the judge ruled on the sentence.

And, he went much lighter on Manafort than his crimes and long history of them merited.

You know what I meant, one way or the other, Oliver Wendell Homo.

But as I said earlier, I wasn't hoping for him to get the maximum sentence anyway, as long as he and his family do not continue to live in luxury off of his criminal gains or to profit off of his notoriety.



What's your source on that? Or did you just pull it out of your ass as usual?



Well, no shit, Sherlock.

Of course it's about Trump and Manafort's association with him. He was involved in Trump's highly suspicious campaign shenanigans. That's what he gets for tying himself to the campaign of another criminal who had the temerity to get himself elected to the most closely scrutinized office in the world, knowing full well, or if he didn't know full well, he should have, that once in office, every detail of his life including his past, would be examined under a microscope.

You make it sound like when it comes to Trump, it's somehow not fair to treat him and his associates the same as every other President and their associates have been treated.

You Trump shills are the biggest fucking babies.

Snowflakes.



When was Podesta POTUS?



Tell that to both Clintons, drama queen.

The Republican Deep State has been going after them for nearly three decades and hasn't stopped yet.
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"...as long as he and his family do not continue to live in luxury off of his criminal gains or to profit off of his notoriety."

That, Nomad, should be at the crux of all sentences to white collar crime.

The fines should be enormous...and made for every count. The individual should be in personal bankruptcy for the remainder of his/her life...with no statute of limitations. There are ways to enforce this kind of punishment...and my guess is it would be a punishment feared in the extreme by these people who commit crimes of greed. I also think it would be a much more effective deterrent than prison.
 
Nomad said:
You have no point, sonny.

Never did.

The President is the one who always gets examined under the microscope.

If Trump hadn't let his big, fat grossly over inflated ego convince him to run for President, Manafort would still be free to continue committing financial crimes with Trump and his Russsian cohorts and Trump himself wouldn't be under countless investigations.

But that's just what happens when little punk bitches want to play with the big boys.

They both asked for and deserve everything they're getting.

Stop sniveling about it.
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I already told you that you proved my point. You don’t need to concede again.
 
Nomad said:
Your empty words proclaiming proof of an imaginary point mean nothing.

TTB - Typical Trumptard Behavior.
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I can only assume that reading is not your strength


I said this

I Love America said:
.......All of this was done because of Manafort's association with Trump. I firmly believe that had Manafort never been involved with the Trump campaign, he would have never been pursued by authorities. Remember that he worked for the Podesta's who are lifelong democrats. The Deep State does not go after democrats.
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To which you responded


Nomad said:
.........If Trump hadn't let his big, fat grossly over inflated ego convince him to run for President, Manafort would still be free to continue committing financial crimes with Trump and his Russsian cohorts and Trump himself wouldn't be under countless investigations..........
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You essentially confirmed what I said. Of course you don't think you did, but any sentient being with the reading comprehension skills above a second grader can see that you did. I understand your deep seeded desire to maintain that you didn't. It is OK
 
Nomad...whatever you do...do NOT call IHA's attention to the fact that the expression "deep-seated" is only rendered as "deep-seeded" by ignorant people.

That would be tacky.

(Even though he did it in a screed essentially calling you stupid.
 
I Love America said:
I can only assume that reading is not your strength

I said this

To which you responded

You essentially confirmed what I said. Of course you don't think you did, but any sentient being with the reading comprehension skills above a second grader can see that you did. I understand your deep seeded desire to maintain that you didn't. It is OK
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Wow. You truly are a cement-headed dolt, aren't you? :palm:

I'm well aware that I "confirmed" what you said, moron. My point was that a) what you said was so obvious a slow learning child could see it, but that b) you were missing the larger point.

Of course Manafort got caught up in the investigation of Trump. Trump is the President of the United States. That office is, AS IT SHOULD BE, the most closely scrutinized office on the face of the Earth. The stupid bastard Manafort should have known before involving himself in Trump's campaign, that he'd likely get a microscope shoved up his ass if Trump won. It's his own damned fault for having the hubris to be a criminal who attached himself to another criminal who wanted to hold the most closely scrutinized office in the world, while thinking nobody would ever look closely into his past.

The real problem with dumbasses like you, is that you think Trump and his criminal organization should be treated with kid gloves and allowed to just get away with their crimes just because you voted for them.

Fuck that.

They're getting what they deserve and you still have yet to make whatever point you think you made.

Now take your ass-whuppin' like a man and STFU.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Nomad...whatever you do...do NOT call IHA's attention to the fact that the expression "deep-seated" is only rendered as "deep-seeded" by ignorant people.

That would be tacky.

(Even though he did it in a screed essentially calling you stupid.
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Yeah, there was so much other goofy nonsense to unpack and deconstruct in his bullshit rant, pointing out his improper word usage would have just been a superfluous exercise in extra typing.

But thank YOU for pointing it out for me!!!! :thup:
 
Nomad said:
Wow. You truly are a cement-headed dolt, aren't you? :palm:

I'm well aware that I "confirmed" what you said, moron. My point was that a) what you said was so obvious a slow learning child could see it, but that b) you were missing the larger point.

Of course Manafort got caught up in the investigation of Trump. Trump is the President of the United States. That office is, AS IT SHOULD BE, the most closely scrutinized office on the face of the Earth. The stupid bastard Manafort should have known before involving himself in Trump's campaign, that he'd likely get a microscope shoved up his ass if Trump won. It's his own damned fault for having the hubris to be a criminal who attached himself to another criminal who wanted to hold the most closely scrutinized office in the world, while thinking nobody would ever look closely into his past.

The real problem with dumbasses like you, is that you think Trump and his criminal organization should be treated with kid gloves and allowed to just get away with their crimes just because you voted for them.

Fuck that.

They're getting what they deserve and you still have yet to make whatever point you think you made.

Now take your ass-whuppin' like a man and STFU.
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You are still missing the point.

Manafort was being investigated BEFORE the campaign and the FBI didn’t seem to think he should be brought to justice

Only until now
 
I Love America said:
You are still missing the point.

Manafort was being investigated BEFORE the campaign and the FBI didn’t seem to think he should be brought to justice

Only until now
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You got proof?

Or was the FBI just waiting for more conclusive evidence which was provided to them vis-a-vis his involvement with the Trump campaign?

Or was his possible involvement with using Russian assistance to help throw an American Presidential election enough to cause then to move forward?

You're making a lot of unfounded assumptions and accusations without having anywhere close to all the facts.

If they were looking into Manafort's actions for years prior to him being involved in a Presidential campaign that stinks of Russian tampering, that's a whole different kettle of fish than any investigation afterward.

In short, when the election of a US President becomes part of the the picture, the entire game changes.

Not hard to figure out if you're not looking for a convenient way to impugn and de-legitimize the process that brought him to where he is and the agency involved.

Just more deflection and distraction.
 
Nomad said:
You got proof?

Or was the FBI just waiting for more conclusive evidence which was provided to them vis-a-vis his involvement with the Trump campaign?

Or was his possible involvement with using Russian assistance to help throw an American Presidential election enough to cause then to move forward?

You're making a lot of unfounded assumptions and accusations without having anywhere close to all the facts.

If they were looking into Manafort's actions for years prior to him being involved in a Presidential campaign that stinks of Russian tampering, that's a whole different kettle of fish than any investigation afterward.

In short, when the election of a US President becomes part of the the picture, the entire game changes.

Not hard to figure out if you're not looking for a convenient way to impugn and de-legitimize the process that brought him to where he is and the agency involved.

Just more deflection and distraction.
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It would a whole lot easier if you weren’t so fucking uninformed

http://fortune.com/2017/09/19/paul-manafort-fbi-surveillance-donald-trump-russia/

You seem to be saying that as long as you don’t run for President or work for someone who is you can get away with committing crimes.

Interesting position you have carved out
 
I Love America said:
It would a whole lot easier if you weren’t so fucking uninformed

http://fortune.com/2017/09/19/paul-manafort-fbi-surveillance-donald-trump-russia/

You seem to be saying that as long as you don’t run for President or work for someone who is you can get away with committing crimes.

Interesting position you have carved out
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It would a whole lot easier if you weren’t so fucking uninformed

You seem to be saying that if you've been under surveillance by the FBI for years without being arrested because they haven't been able to gather enough solid evidence to nail you, then suddenly you go high profile and cross the line into dealing with a foreign government who appears to be using you to help sway the outcome of a Presidential election the way they want it to go, once the Feds do arrest and convict you, it's more about partisan politics than your actual crimes.

Interesting position you have carved out.

You Trumptards just don't seem to think a foreign government tampering with a US Presidential election is that big of a deal when your guy was the beneficiary of it.
 
Nomad said:
It would a whole lot easier if you weren’t so fucking uninformed

You seem to be saying that if you've been under surveillance by the FBI for years without being arrested because they haven't been able to gather enough solid evidence to nail you, then suddenly you go high profile and cross the line into dealing with a foreign government who appears to be using you to help sway the outcome of a Presidential election the way they want it to go, once the Feds do arrest and convict you, it's more about partisan politics than your actual crimes.

Interesting position you have carved out.

You Trumptards just don't seem to think a foreign government tampering with a US Presidential election is that big of a deal when your guy was the beneficiary of it.
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Ukraine was tampering with our election too?

I thought it was just the Russians lol.
 
Nomad said:
You got proof?

Or was the FBI just waiting for more conclusive evidence which was provided to them vis-a-vis his involvement with the Trump campaign?

Or was his possible involvement with using Russian assistance to help throw an American Presidential election enough to cause then to move forward?

You're making a lot of unfounded assumptions and accusations without having anywhere close to all the facts.

If they were looking into Manafort's actions for years prior to him being involved in a Presidential campaign that stinks of Russian tampering, that's a whole different kettle of fish than any investigation afterward.

In short, when the election of a US President becomes part of the the picture, the entire game changes.

Not hard to figure out if you're not looking for a convenient way to impugn and de-legitimize the process that brought him to where he is and the agency involved.

Just more deflection and distraction.
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You lefties have been trying to impugn and delegitimize a presidential election for three years.

Judge Ellis told Mullet’s team they didn’t care about Manafort. Thank you, Captain Obvious lol.

They only cared about Manafort to the extent he could be pressured into singing and/or composing on Trump. Were it not for that Manafort would be a free man today. That Mullet called for the book to be thrown at Manafort is an indication he had nothing of consequence to offer Mullet and his team of conflicted Inquisitors.

Ellis gets this. He plainly understands that Manafort is merely a pawn in this charade so he gave him a lighter sentence than what Mullet was asking for because Ellis isn’t Mullet’s pawn.

I see no problem with the sentence whatsoever. Manafort didn’t ‘help steal an election’ and he’s not a dangerous criminal—he’s a tax cheat.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
You lefties have been trying to impugn and delegitimize a presidential election for three years.

Judge Ellis told Mullet’s team they didn’t care about Manafort. Thank you, Captain Obvious lol.

They only cared about Manafort to the extent he could be pressured into singing and/or composing on Trump. Were it not for that Manafort would be a free man today. That Mullet called for the book to be thrown at Manafort is an indication he had nothing of consequence to offer Mullet and his team of conflicted Inquisitors.

Ellis gets this. He plainly understands that Manafort is merely a pawn in this charade so he gave him a lighter sentence than what Mullet was asking for because Ellis isn’t Mullet’s pawn.

I see no problem with the sentence whatsoever. Manafort didn’t ‘help steal an election’ and he’s not a dangerous criminal—he’s a tax cheat.
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well written Darth!
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I hope he gets a pardon, he's been abused so badly -like solitaire..
Mullet took the case off the shelf to see what he could turn up to squeeze Manafort to sing.

Mullet is a disgusting construct.
I hate the motherfuckers doing his witch hunt, and the bastards like Rosenweasel and Comey that set this Stalinesque crap up.
 
anatta said:
well written Darth!
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I hope he gets a pardon, he's been abused so badly -like solitaire..
Mullet took the case off the shelf to see what he could turn up to squeeze Manafort to sing.

Mullet is a disgusting construct.
I hate the motherfuckers doing his witch hunt, and the bastards like Rosenweasel and Comey that set this Stalinesque crap up.
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If he were doing what you suppose he is doing to Hillary Clinton...

...you'd be licking his asshole!
 
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